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Record 24,583 people targeted for pirating The Hurt Locker

By Matthew
May 23, 2011
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  1. The US Copyright Group has been incredibly busy this month. Only two weeks ago, the law firm received federal subpoenas forcing internet service providers to unmask the accountholders of 23,322…

    Read the whole story
     
  2. ramonsterns

    ramonsterns TS Enthusiast Posts: 744   +12

    Really, $1500-$3000?

    This should be illegal.
     
  3. fu~~ you RIAA, and all the greedy lobbying bastards who associate with them. what do they think they will accomplish, nothing. live free my mateys!!!!! arghhhhh
     
  4. TomSEA

    TomSEA TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,558   +598

    Once more for the hard of hearing. Don't steal and you won't get a letter from the US Copyright Group.
     
  5. Matthew

    Matthew TechSpot Staff Topic Starter Posts: 5,267   +92

    The thing is Tomm, that's not necessarily true. As Judge Baker pointed out earlier this month: "The infringer might be the subscriber, someone in the subscriber's household, a visitor with her laptop, a neighbor, or someone parked on the street at any given moment."

    There's no way to accurately tie actions occurring from an IP address to the subscriber and many innocent people are undoubtedly being scared into paying thousands of dollars. I don't doubt that many accused are actually guilty, but that doesn't make the practice right.
     
  6. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 3,481   +44

    I'm a little more sympathetic for the films that were actually good. This just so happen to be one of em.
     
  7. The burden of proof is on the courts these settlement letters are scare tactics and unfortunately in the US you can be sued with no recourse unless you sue back. This is a bs tactic and when you have a Judge who used to be a lobbyist I cannot see how this is not illegal. Our justice system is an abortion and our country is being controlled by lobbyist and corporations.
     
  8. The smartest thing to do in this case is to ask for proof that you were the one who did the downloading and not someone else piggy-backing off of you. Either the lawyers will ask the court to shell out money for warrants of hard drive seizures or they'll all just say "you know what? Don't worry about it. They're right. We have no proof it was them." Just think about how much money and time would be spent on getting warrants approved and then going through all the info on all those hard drives. It just isn't worth it. Unfortunately, if you caught downloading, you most likely aren't smart enough to think of this, lol.
     
  9. PinothyJ

    PinothyJ TS Guru Posts: 446   +17

    JESUS MCWOW!

    A guest actually contributes something worthwhile to a news story's discussion!

    PRINT SCREEN…
     
  10. TomSEA

    TomSEA TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,558   +598

    "The thing is Tomm, that's not necessarily true. As Judge Baker pointed out earlier this month: "The infringer might be the subscriber, someone in the subscriber's household, a visitor with her laptop, a neighbor, or someone parked on the street at any given moment."

    That's true, Matthew but those are also the most extreme and frankly laughable of examples. Seriously - how many of you have "a visitor with her laptop" sitting in your house illegally downloading movies? How many are stupid enough to have an unsecured wireless network so someone sitting in a car could illegally download movies using their network? And who would sit in a car and do that anyway? If they're going to hook up to an unsecured wireless network, it's to steal credit card info, not download movies. There's not a subscriber I know of that doesn't know what their Internet connection is being used for. And I have plenty of friends who engage in illegal downloads for which they get mass grief from me. I would hazard to guess, that out out of the 24,583 IP addresses reference in th is article, 24,582 of them knew exactly what they were doing.
     
  11. PinothyJ

    PinothyJ TS Guru Posts: 446   +17

    That's true and I agree with you, but I think the more important issue here is it being perfectly legal for anyone who has 'lawyer' after their name to blackmail potential law-breakers and it all be 100% legal - that is utter bollocks! If it were any other profession there would be an uproar. Let's say a builder noticed that your company's place of business doesn't meet the building and safety requirements, of which to fix would cost thousands. If they told you that they would force you to have it all fixed through them by the appropriate legal channels unless you pay them $2,000.

    It is something that really gets my goat…
     
  12. Wendig0

    Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,106   +97

    "case is currently being overseen by Judge Beryl Howell, a former RIAA lobbyist and Managing Director of a so-called pirate-chasing outfit"

    Yep, sounds like it'll be a fair trial to me
     
  13. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,219   +157

    This smacks of the traffic cam, and the right to face your accuser deal. You are your IP address I guess to these guys.

    What? is this not an instant default recuse?
     
  14. princeton

    princeton TS Addict Posts: 1,677

    "The case is currently being overseen by Judge Beryl Howell, a former RIAA lobbyist and Managing Director of a so-called pirate-chasing outfit."

    Uh conflict of interest? Only in America.
     
  15. Darkshadoe

    Darkshadoe TS Guru Posts: 571   +112

    "Dowling v. United States, 473 U.S. 207 (1985), was a United States Supreme Court case that discussed whether copies of copyrighted works could be regarded as stolen property for the purposes of a law which criminalized the interstate transportation of property that had been "stolen, converted or taken by fraud" and holding that they could not be so regarded under that law."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowling_v._United_States_(1985)

    Secondly Tom, Do you have a wireless Router and can I piggy back off it? There is this movie I'm just wanting to see...
     
  16. Jurassic4096

    Jurassic4096 Banned Posts: 155

    That's pretty silly. How many friends of yours have been arrested for a crime they didn't commit? Or got a speeding ticket on a day they took the bus? Just because it's done over the internet, doesn't mean you can't prove who committed the offence. Recent stories have already proven that. Tom was speaking as a whole, and your reply is something a Judge did earlier this month? Um... piracy has been around for a lot longer than a month. I'd like to see some statistics on the amount of people that are pirating content using unsuspecting peoples' Wi-Fi connections. Until then, don't assume it's a big number.
     
  17. Jurassic4096

    Jurassic4096 Banned Posts: 155

    LOL@1985 case reference. You and Matt are fishing pretty hard to prove a few cases of it happening. No one is saying it never happened, but come on... really? Using your logic, i should just pirate movies instead of paying for them because i could get arrested/fined whether i do or not. After that i'll steal a car, because even if i don't, i could still be arrested for it.
     
  18. DokkRokken

    DokkRokken TS Rookie Posts: 267

    Yeah, that is messed up. It's one thing to have a judge who 'knows' the ins-and-outs of a certain legal area so they can render an informed judgement. But this is sheer lunacy, and the media should be howling over this.
     
  19. ramonsterns

    ramonsterns TS Enthusiast Posts: 744   +12

    You do realize how silly that is, right?
     
  20. Darkshadoe

    Darkshadoe TS Guru Posts: 571   +112

    "Seriously - how many of you have "a visitor with her laptop" sitting in your house illegally downloading movies?"

    Let me ask you this, considering how many reports there are of crimes against teenagers involving some type of internet activity, How many parents ACTIVELY watch what their kids do on the internet, downloading included?

    "How many are stupid enough to have an unsecured wireless network so someone sitting in a car could illegally download movies using their network? And who would sit in a car and do that anyway? If they're going to hook up to an unsecured wireless network, it's to steal credit card info, not download movies."

    Ever heard of Piggy Backing?

    "Wardrivers are only out to log and collect information about the wireless access points (WAPs) they find while driving, without using the networks' services.

    Connecting to the network and using its services without explicit authorization is referred to as piggybacking."

    - per Wikipedia

    Then there are people who sit in shops supplying WI-Fi for hours. They could be downloading anything including as you mentioned credit card info. You wouldn't know unless you were actually seeing what they are doing.


    " There's not a subscriber I know of that doesn't know what their Internet connection is being used for."

    Well maybe your friends are more informed than most people. Sitting here typing this I checked my Windows 7 Wireless connections and found 2 unsecured neighbors. Not a hard thing to do at all.

    "And I have plenty of friends who engage in illegal downloads for which they get mass grief from me."

    It doesn't sound like your grief is getting you anywhere with them because it sounds like they are still doing it. Sometimes you have to enforce "tough love" and let them get caught.

    "I would hazard to guess, that out out of the 24,583 IP addresses reference in th is article, 24,582 of them knew exactly what they were doing."

    Then you would be wrong. I think Red1776 mentioned this being like traffic cameras. Most of those laws are written that even if you were not the driver, you allowed your property to to break the law. Well.. if your car was in your locked garage with the doors locked as well, and it was still stolen and the thief ran a red light, should you still be responsible for the ticket? The same thing can be said about someone piggy backing your WI-FI. You may have the best protection and someone crack the encryption and steal your signal. If they steal credit card info or download copyrighted material, are you going to man up and pay?
     
  21. NeoFryBoy

    NeoFryBoy TS Rookie Posts: 72

    Make a counter-settlement for 20 bucks.
     
  22. Tom what if some hacker group decides to make an example of you and your "holier than thou" attitude? You use the internet - I wouldn't be so cocky to presume you are completely immune. Sony for example had a LOT more resources but it only takes an oversight here or there and you might as well hand them the keys.
    And then the MPAA or RIAA turns up for stuff you (well your IP address) "downloaded". What would your attitude be then? You'll just fob this off as "not going to happen" but many here believe in innocent until proven guilty. An IP address is NOT proof of guilt. You have no idea who's computer or who was even using it at the time.
     
  23. "How many are stupid enough to have an unsecured wireless network so someone sitting in a car could illegally download movies using their network? And who would sit in a car and do that anyway? If they're going to hook up to an unsecured wireless network, it's to steal credit card info, not download movies."

    You know WEP is insecure? You know WPA data can be at the very least be cracked in one direction? You know about rainbow table attacks? Wireless has some issues in that you probably don't even know someone is trying to access it. And a password and encryption is no stone clad guarantee.
     
  24. Darkshadoe

    Darkshadoe TS Guru Posts: 571   +112

    This only thing I was trying to "prove" was the fact that downloading copyrighted material is Copyright Infringement, not stealing. There is a difference whether people want to think so or not. This is a civil case, not criminal.

    "No one is saying it never happened, but come on... really?"

    Ever been accused of something you didn't do? I'm sure you just didn't roll over and take the punishment, right? I Imagine the majority of these downloaders DID download the movie, but not all of them did.

    btw.. do you have a wireless connection I could piggy back from?
     
  25. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,011   +18

    That's why civil cases look for a preponderance of evidence rather than reasonable doubt.

    Is there reasonable doubt that someone could have been stealing your Wi Fi? Of course.

    It is likely? Of course not.

    I have to agree with Tom, I would guess that 99% of the people accused of downloading the movie did so.

    I think that the legal tactics used by these law firms are despicable, but chances are these people did exactly what they're being accused of.

    Everyone likes to pull out their one exception to the rule when it comes to these stories, and cite the "friend of a friend" who didn't drink anything but somehow was convicted of a DUI. But for every exception to the rule, there are 9 other people who did drive drunk. Same with this.

    Sure, individually speaking, every one of them can use the hijacked wifi defense. But statistically speaking, the odds of all these people having their wifi hijacked are minimal. Some percentage of these people had to download the movie.
     

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