So you only have PCI slots and want to game?

[Tha General]

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Has anyone had good results with the 8400gs and World of Warcraft?

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Never played WOW, but people have trouble wow even on higher video cards, unless they turn off certain visual effects. IMHO, i wouldn't even bother with the 8400gs or 2400HD, just grab a evga 9400gt. The 8400gs is good and so is the 2400HD, if you have right setup, even tho it seems the 2400hd is more powerful than the 8400gs for certain reasons.

Btw did you disable the onboard video?

 

[Tha General]

Ok cool ill be sure to check it out
btw, do you have a steam account?

Dual boot did not work, so i am using XP now. Using my 8400gs with the 175.16 drivers and one example: Crysis Warhead 1280x1024 all low to gamer,175.16 drivers = 9-12fps and serious bottlenecking where it drops to around 5 at times. Not sure what is going on, but i am going to try out different drivers. If none of the the drivers i try out improved performance, well it seems like the 8400gs run faster with vista and also the HD2400 is way more powerful than the 8400gs.

With my 2400HD in Xp = Crysis warhead + 1280x1024 all low to gamer, 9.7 beta drivers, 18-32fps. No bottlenecking.

Anyways, be back later with results.

 

[Tha General]

WOW update, the 8400gs with XP is horrible. Massive bottlenecking with any game and performance is disgusting. SOF3, with 190 drivers, and 175.16 drivers, at 1280x1024 = 4-8fps. With my HD2400 15-25(playable to me)

Here is what i have come up with.

Vista 32BIT + 175.16 + 8400gs = any game runs about normal and decent, but some.
XP 32bit 175.16 or any driver + 8400gs =horrible, 2d games work fine tho

My only guess to why i get poor performance is because of the nforce drivers, which i have to install because i have a stupid nforce MB. I never got this poor performance with my Intel Celeron D using my 8400gs and i didn't get it using my gateway intel pentium III.
i HAD intel boards back than, so i never had to install any nforce drivers. So if you have a nforce mb and xp you are doomed. lol Guess its back to using my Visiontek 2400HD until i get my dual core or next rig, because i refused to buy more rigs with nvidida forums, its intel all the way now.

The 8400gs it not bad, just make you use a intel mother board or just use vista and not xp with a nforce board. If you are using a intel mb and still have poor performance, upgrade your card to something better.

peace

peace.

 

[studio3do]

Never played WOW, but people have trouble wow even on higher video cards, unless they turn off certain visual effects. IMHO, i wouldn't even bother with the 8400gs or 2400HD, just grab a evga 9400gt. The 8400gs is good and so is the 2400HD, if you have right setup, even tho it seems the 2400hd is more powerful than the 8400gs for certain reasons.

Btw did you disable the onboard video?

Yeap intel GMA950 is disabled in bios and windows. Its confusing honestly how the Intel GMA950 IGP can out perform a dedicated card in WOW and 2Moons.

Im going to install Windows 7 32bit on it and see if here is any dif and maybe Vista Basic.

 

[Tha General]

Well i did come across this:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10222&Itemid=1

This seems to be affecting me, because i am using a nforce board with a Nvidia card and i have to use nforce drivers. But i am not sure if that this is the problem because, when i was using Vista 32bit, with the 175.16 drivers, i didn't get any performance decrease , unless i was using any of the newer drivers and i had the nforce drivers install.

So i have no idea what the hell is going with XP with any of the drivers. All i know, if i can't figure out why i am getting terrible performance, i am going to go back to using my HD2400. But i really do believe using XP and the nforce drivers are making the 8400gs perform badly.

 

[teklord]

My CPU is a massive bottleneck to my HD 3850 AGP, plain and simple. This card is capable of much more but I get maybe half the possible framerate because the CPU can't keep up. This is not FUD but fact. Hope to get a E8xxx Intel CPU soon, this P4 is respectable for what it is though. AMD dual cores aren't an option for me as they are already obsolete IMO. Intel E8xxx series or i7 are my only choices in CPU's.

 

[Tha General]

My CPU is a massive bottleneck to my HD 3850 AGP, plain and simple. This card is capable of much more but I get maybe half the possible framerate because the CPU can't keep up. This is not FUD but fact. Hope to get a E8xxx Intel CPU soon, this P4 is respectable for what it is though. AMD dual cores aren't an option for me as they are already obsolete IMO. Intel E8xxx series or i7 are my only choices in CPU's.

Well good luck on upgrading , i am getting sick of bottlenecks myself. So i have decided to just move away from pci and i am going to move on to PCIE. I had enough of this. What made me choose this decision, well i buy prebuilts, and most prebuitls either come with nvidia boards or ati mb's. The next rig i am buying is a compaq Dual Core, comes with a nvidia board and i plan to use XP on it, thus, using Nforce drivers/Nforce boards + PCI is horrible.

I am still buying a quad core that comes with a intel board, but i am just moving on to PCIE as my next cards. Saying good bye to PCI.

Teklord, question, are you using XP OR VISTA?

 

[teklord]

Well good luck on upgrading , i am getting sick of bottlenecks myself. So i have decided to just move away from pci and i am going to move on to PCIE.

I think everyone reading this would be elated should that be the case.

Teklord, question, are you using XP OR VISTA?

XP Professional & Home Editions in dual boot. My old P4 does not need to be bothered with Vista or Windows 7! ;P

 

[Tha General]

Oh alright. I guess your CPU is holding you back a bit, good luck on what you are buying later.

I do want to say that, the HD2400 is way more powerful than the 8400gs. And after what i have found today, i think its true. I recently switch back to XP right, and with XP i have to use nforce drivers, and my 8400gs is running games terrible. But i am using the 2400hd again and they run just fine. i THINK there is a problem with Nvidia + nforce and pci cards, thats the only guess i have as to why my 8400gs is playing games bad. I never had this problem using that Celeron D which had a Intel board.

Anyways, i will let you guys know when i have my new cards. I only have 250w, but i do have a backup 350 psu and i am also buying a bfg 450 w PSu soon.

peace

RIP TO PCI LOL , it was fun while it lasted haha.

 

[xpunkdthrice]

Dual boot did not work, so i am using XP now. Using my 8400gs with the 175.16 drivers and one example: Crysis Warhead 1280x1024 all low to gamer,175.16 drivers = 9-12fps and serious bottlenecking where it drops to around 5 at times. Not sure what is going on, but i am going to try out different drivers. If none of the the drivers i try out improved performance, well it seems like the 8400gs run faster with vista and also the HD2400 is way more powerful than the 8400gs.

So that means 175.16 drivers are unstable for the 8400 gs on xp?
I also use an intel motherboard..
I was thinking about the 2400HD before the 8400gs but i never tried ATi cards
From looking at your results im starting to regret buying the 8400gs

 

[Tha General]

So that means 175.16 drivers are unstable for the 8400 gs on xp?

From what i can tell its only unstable if you are using a " nforce MB ". Nforce drivers seem to decrease performance using Nvidia PCI cards, and that link i posted proves it, even tho they said they fix it, i am not buying that.

I also use an intel motherboard

If you are using a Intel board you should just fine.

I was thinking about the 2400HD before the 8400gs but i never tried ATi cards From looking at your results im starting to regret buying the 8400gs

Well as i said if you have a intel board you should fine, because also look at this computer:

http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfh/desktops/optix_210l/pd.aspx?refid=optix_210l&s=dfh&cs=22

I had that computer for a brief time a few months ago, it has a intel board and i use the 8400GS on that computer and it plays games really really good.

Do you mind telling me your full specs on your computer you have?

Anyways, i only have a problem using the 8400gs, because i have a nforce motherboard which is fine, but bad with PCI nvidia cards. So i am using my 2400HD which does not seem to be affected by the nforce drivers being install. I am getting crazy/good performance in Crysis warhead at 1280x1024 all low to gamer settings, around 20-35fps. But i hope you understand what type of computer i have, mine is pretty good and powerful its a 2008 model.

But i need to see your full specs for your computer, do you have a link to the model with specs?

 

[Rage_3K_Moiz]

AMD dual cores aren't an option for me as they are already obsolete IMO. Intel E8xxx series or i7 are my only choices in CPU's.

The Phenom II X2 550BE is far from obsolete. It runs at the same frequency and has the same amount of cache as the E8400, is built on the same process (45nm), is about $70 cheaper and has an unlocked multiplier to boot.

You can also grab a Phenom II X3 720BE for cheaper than the E8400. Again, it has an unlocked multiplier, and runs only 200MHz slower than the E8400. It is also a 45nm CPU. Also, it has an extra core compared to the E8400.

(I'm using the E8400 as a comparison because it is the most commonly-purchased E8xxx series CPU)

I don't see why you shouldn't go AMD. They deliver the best price vs performance parts right now.

 

[red1776]

uh yeah, i happen to be the happy owner of the x3 720 Tek, and im afraid that you have bought into some fanboyism that many do. it overall out performs the E8400, in some areas by a healthy margin. and for much less $$. so unless the best performance/price-performance ratio is "obsolete".........well here, check this out as well.
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/phenom_ii_x3_720be/9.html
hope you get one, you will like it

 

[Yukikaze]

Crysis at 800x600 all detail to low and AA off
Sky falling 20+fps
on the beach at start 15-18fps
First gun fight 14-16fps

Common sense 3 : Tha Liar 0.

Thank You for your results.

 

[teklord]

Hey all,

If you want a cross section of the types of games I am playing with my P4 + HD 3850 AGP setup then click the link below. Let me know if the link doesn't work for some reason.

teklord a.k.a. Master_OrHan's XFire profile page

I'm sick of the age old debate of whether or not General's results are legit. I don't think he is telling it straight but I'm pro-anti-flamming anyone as well, including "Tha General".(A.K.A. resident tech wiz who can do things with PCI cards no one else on earth can)

 

[xpunkdthrice]

Do you mind telling me your full specs on your computer you have?

I Could not find a link to my computer on google but i have the model #
2002 Gateway MFATXPNT NMZ 500L

The computer was a prebuilt that i bought somewhere online,
Since i don't have my computer with me, i cant identify my motherboard
but i know the chipset is a Intel E210882
When i first bought it, it came with:

Intel P4 1.8Ghz 400Fsb(Replaced with a 2.1Ghz)
PC2100 256MB 266mhz RAM (Replaced with 1GB)
40GB HDD

And For some reason it was missing an AGP slot

 

[Tha General]

If you want a cross section of the types of games I am playing with my P4 + HD 3850 AGP setup then click the link below. Let me know if the link doesn't work for some reason.
teklord a.k.a. Master_OrHan's XFire profile page

We have to login to see it. I don't use xfire tho.

I'm sick of the age old debate of whether or not General's results are legit. I don't think he is telling it straight but I'm pro-anti-flamming anyone as well, including "Tha General".(A.K.A. resident tech wiz who can do things with PCI cards no one else on earth can.

I am not sure if Yukikaze knows what type of computer i have now lol. Even when i had my p3 i was getting the results from what i posted. I really don't care if he believes it or not. I mean if someone doesn't believe me, well he could always buy the same pentium III or single core processor i am using now, and buy the same card and see for himself.

I Could not find a link to my computer on google but i have the model #
2002 Gateway MFATXPNT NMZ 500L

The computer was a prebuilt that i bought somewhere online,
Since i don't have my computer with me, i cant identify my motherboard
but i know the chipset is a Intel E210882
When i first bought it, it came with:

Intel P4 1.8Ghz 400Fsb(Replaced with a 2.1Ghz)
PC2100 256MB 266mhz RAM (Replaced with 1GB)
40GB HDD

And For some reason it was missing an AGP slot

What happen to your AGP slot lol?
But your computer seems ok, using older drivers does help. But see i never had a p4, so i can't speak on what i don't know. I had a celeron D at 3.06ghz and both my 2400hd and 8400gs ran games just fine.

I guess just see how it works out.

 

[red1776]

What a great bunch of useful information is found on this long set of posts!

:haha: someone had to say it!

 

[electromagnetic]

Look what I found for UK users or other parts of the country.

http://www.spotonuk.com/pci-add-on-cards/powercolor/Radeon-HD-2400Pro-PCI-256MB-_83996/

Powercolor HD2400pro PCI


This one might be PCI Express x1 or PCI Express x16

http://www.spotonuk.com/pci-express...s/sparkle/256MB-Sparkle-GeForce-8400GS_84051/

 

[Tha General]

Look what I found for UK users or other parts of the country.

http://www.spotonuk.com/pci-add-on-cards/powercolor/Radeon-HD-2400Pro-PCI-256MB-_83996/

Powercolor HD2400pro PCI


This one might be PCI Express x1 or PCI Express x16

http://www.spotonuk.com/pci-express...s/sparkle/256MB-Sparkle-GeForce-8400GS_84051/

The Visiontek 2400HD is more powerful than the powercolor one. But the 2400hd is pretty good. The second card is " PCIE express x1 " . Are you thinking about buying it?

What happen with that evga 9400gt pci you were thinking about?

 

[xpunkdthrice]

What happen to your AGP slot lol?
But your computer seems ok, using older drivers does help. But see i never had a p4, so i can't speak on what i don't know. I had a celeron D at 3.06ghz and both my 2400hd and 8400gs ran games just fine.

I guess just see how it works out.

The AGP slot was missing when i first bought it..maybe gateway took it out lol. dont know what happened. kinda weird.
And what do you mean by older drivers?

 

[Tha General]

The AGP slot was missing when i first bought it..maybe gateway took it out lol. dont know what happened. kinda weird.
And what do you mean by older drivers?

Well sometimes with older cards new drivers does not help. I notice with using the 8400gs, the 175.16 seems to be the most fastest and stable.

What games are you playing with the 8400gs anyway?

 

[xpunkdthrice]

Well sometimes with older cards new drivers does not help. I notice with using the 8400gs, the 175.16 seems to be the most fastest and stable.

What games are you playing with the 8400gs anyway?

Im mostly playing Steam games like CSS, TF2, and L4D. Nothin big
Crysis maybe once in awhile

 

[teklord]

The AGP slot was missing when i first bought it..maybe gateway took it out lol. dont know what happened. kinda weird.

My HP didn't have the AGP slot soldered on the mobo but there was a port for one originally. I replaced it with the same make and model mobo but a different version with an AGP slot. Maybe you could do the same if you are stuck on PCI slot type. My P4 bottlenecks the GPU, but I'll take that over an underpowered PCI card.

 

[Yukikaze]

I am not sure if Yukikaze knows what type of computer i have now lol. Even when i had my p3 i was getting the results from what i posted. I really don't care if he believes it or not. I mean if someone doesn't believe me, well he could always buy the same pentium III or single core processor i am using now, and buy the same card and see for himself.

It doesn't matter what system you have: Your results are lies. You never got them. They are in fact impossible with the video card you specified and the settings you specified, even if you have a Core i7 975EE at 5Ghz as your CPU and DDR3 2000Mhz for your RAM.

For the umpteenth time: The whole problem with you lying about your results is that people who come in here might (for lack of knowledge, or due to your incessant posting of repeated nonsense) take them for the truth and might spend money on the same deluded fool's crusade which is the result of you trying to prove the entire world wrong by having zero sense and claiming the impossible.

Thus, periodical reminders like this are necessary to keep this discussion firmly rooted to the ground, rather than floating in Tha La La Land.