Stumped by low FPS problem in CS: Source

By dardenc
Dec 13, 2005
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  1. xAcid

    xAcid Newcomer, in training

    Hello, I am having the same exact prob as the last guy in here, but mine is on a normal computer. I was wondering if reseting the CMOs would work for me too, except I dont know what a CMO is or how to reset it lol.
  2. osram

    osram Newcomer, in training Posts: 90

    The CMOS is related to your mainboard-bios. Resetting CMOS simply means resetting your bios. If you disconnect the power after turning of the energy supply of your computercase and remove the round, shiny battery from your mainboard for a couple of seconds you reset the CMOS.

    If you never messed around with your bios the settings should normally be ok.

    I hardly doubt you will have any software-related improvements resetting your Bios.

    What system are you using? Do you only have FPS issues or also Ping or Packetloss/Choke?
  3. xAcid

    xAcid Newcomer, in training

    Well at the moment I'm on my friend's computer, but tomorrow evening I will post my PC specs. Basically I go into a server, and its like this: if its not the gun-game server type, then I get like 2fps or some ridiculous thing like that. In gun-game server types, I get about 15-25 fps, which is incredibly low, but somewhat playable.

    My in-game video settings are as low as possible with 600x800 resolution and it shows no difference from putting them at high graphics and large resolutions. My brightness is up, but I doubt that would affect anything.

    Also, I am running about 80 cl_cmdrate and 60 cl_updaterate...in some servers I get 1-2 choke in mid-game but in other servers I will get about 40 choke.

    Also, like I said, I do not play on a laptop so that shouldn't be an issue. I have never messed with any hardware except for one time I had to replace the power cord because it ran a short...

    I play a few other 3d-graphic based games, but they are older and less demanding, for instance Return to Castle Wolfenstein runs perfectly on my PC, and also Diablo 2 and Stronghold Crusader run perfectly, if thats of any relevance.

    Anything else that you can think of, I will try to post the answer.

    ~Thanks.
  4. xAcid

    xAcid Newcomer, in training

    My System Specs (#1):
    Dimension Intel(R) PC

    Processor:
    Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz

    Memory:
    2.79Ghz, 256MB of RAM

    Videocard:
    (I may sound pretty dumb, but I dont know where to find this out at...its stock...)

    Operating System:
    Windows XP Pro

    Video Stress Test:
    27 FPS
  5. osram

    osram Newcomer, in training Posts: 90

    I would say the problem is ram: 256 is nowadays simply not enough ram for 3d-gaming.

    i would suggest you buy urself 2x 512mb of ram and let them run on dual-channel.. that way they can process information paralelly. (if that mb supports dualchannel)

    If you can afford it 2x 1gb would be even better. But make sure you make use of the dual-channel procession if possible.

    It's not too expensive anymore.

    for example: I am still using an AGP-System, not PCI-Express etc.
    I have an AMD Athlon XP 2800+ so your CPU is not the bottleneck.

    I have a Geforce 6600 GT passive cooled, which is not new either. But i use 2x 512 mb ram running in dual-channel.

    I can play with about 20-30fps.. even with a moderate numbers of players in gunmod. (Gunmod Rocks!) ;)
    But regarding choke thats another issue once again.

    There are many *****s out there who use some lousy server @ Tickrate 100 setting for supposedly meeting useless clanwar-standards. But if the server is not too good.. it actually makes things worse.

    If you do not have any tremendous choke issues i would keep the settings as they are. If you have trouble google for "best net settings cs source".

    There are different ressources, but only one or two of them are really good.

    After all this will only improve your Ingame-Connection. I strongly suggest you upgrade those Rams.

    And maybe you could still find out what GFX-Card you have by looking at the advanced desktop properties.
  6. xAcid

    xAcid Newcomer, in training

    Hmm...that does sound like a possible fix, and makes plenty of sense, but where would I go about purchasing more RAM? What prices am I looking at? (I am in the US)

    Also I looked up my graphics card, and it is: Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller.

    And 1 more thing: I see that you have a drivers section of readily downloadable files on the site...what kind of things are offered there?
  7. XjeffX

    XjeffX Newcomer, in training

    I have a premade Amd 64 Athlon 3500+ 2.2 ghz, 1.4g of ram, Geforce 6100 256mb

    when i am running the stress test on cs:source my frames per second are very low. between 10-14. even online i have this problem. i have updated my drivers and i still dont know why my fps is low

    i there a way to fix this problem
  8. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,277   +22

    Your video card is an integrated one that uses system RAM. It's completely crappy and not designed for gaming at all. Get a standalone one such as a 6600GT and it will run fine.
  9. foxkashi

    foxkashi Newcomer, in training

    i'm also having an fps issue... my PC specs are

    Processor: Intel Pentium D 3.0ghz
    RAM: 2056 MB DDR2 (2x 1024MB)
    Hard Disk: 160GB
    Operating system: Windows XP Pro, SP2
    Video Card: Nvidia GeForce 7800GT 256MB DDR3 RAM
    PSU: 550Watts

    i generally get 2-10 fps even on the lowest settings. i dont know whats up. i'm pretty sure something is wrong because i was able to run source just fine a few months ago. other 3D games dont run at optimal performance either. CS 1.6 runs enough to be playable, but its definitely not what it should be. i can run that at around 30fps, which is pretty absurd.

    can anyone help?
  10. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,277   +22

    Installed the latest drivers? Also, have you tried using older drivers? In addition, try using Driver Cleaner Pro to remove them completely and re-install them again. If that doesn't fix the problem, check for malware by seeing your CPU Usage in Task Manager. If it goes to 100% even when at the desktop, you've got malware in your system. If that's also not the case, try a different card from somewhere to see if the problem is with the card.
  11. Try this:

    Right click on Counter-Strike: Source in the My Games tab and click on Properties. Then click on Set launch options.

    Once here type: -dxlevel 70

    - This will lessen your graphics quality, but it doesn't look like your laptop is fully able to play Counter-Strike: Source. This is a very common problem among laptop users.
  12. mopar man

    mopar man TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 1,492

    ^^ :p

    Sorry, but the people with laptops are from a year-2 years ago dude. That will help the others, though.
  13. kirock

    kirock Newcomer, in training Posts: 1,598

    yeah but Foxkashi shouldn't be having low fps at all even with graphics set to max, so dxlevel 70 would only be band-aiding the issue.

    1.Trying booting in BIOS menu and set to Fail safe defaults. Maybe something got screwed up here you're running some ridiculusly slow FSB or RAM latency.
    2. Maybe something seriously wrong with 7800GT. At least remove it, clean it, re-insert. Make sure you connect the 12V 4pin Molex (I'm pretty sure it has one).
    3. Malware/virus stuff.

    How does the PC work overall? Do other apps (burning CD/DVD, playing video files etc) run slow too?
     
  14. foxkashi

    foxkashi Newcomer, in training

    actually things do not run very smoothly, at least not compared to how it was when i first got my computer. at times the CPU usage shoots up to 100%~ when running FireFox, AIM and Winamp and those programs alone. it could be malware/virus related, but i recently reformatted my computer...

    other games such as battlefield 2, half-life 2, and civ 4 tend to freeze up with a constant and irritating beep sound that simply drags on and occasionally varies in tone.

    ive also noticed that reducing the resolution on CSS tends to increase the FPS i'm getting, but so far it's only maxed out at around 40, and when i enter a moderately or densely populated server, it tends to bug out at times.

    CD / DVD burning operates normally with no issues.



    also ive noticed that movies run on DivX are run only in black and white with no color at all... i have no idea why this is. i fixed it before in the past, but i cant remember how. i dont know if that is at all related...
  15. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,277   +22

    Your video card might be going bad. All the problems seem reflective of that. Try using another one if you can and see if it improves things. If it does, it's definitely the card.
  16. foxkashi

    foxkashi Newcomer, in training

    okay so basically i can get a new card, but would is there anyway my card can be repaired or something? :s

    Do cards normally wear out after about 2 years or was it damaged some how?
  17. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,277   +22

    You can't really say. The lifetime of a video card may vary from a day to over 5 years, just depends on what conditions affect the lifespan. Bad cards are not uncommon, since it's statistically and practically impossible to produce working cards all the time. Overheating, dust buildup and irregular power supply do affect video card lifetimes negatively though. IMO, get a new 7950GT or an 8800GTS if you can afford it. Both will be faster than that 7800GT, although the 7950GT will run a a lot cooler.
  18. foxkashi

    foxkashi Newcomer, in training

    i bought the nvidia 8600gts and it should arrive within a few days.

    is that a good choice?

    also, i bought an intel core2duo 2.6ghz processor to replace my pentium d 3.0ghz from 2 years ago, hopefully that will reduce temperature too
  19. beef_jerky4104

    beef_jerky4104 Banned Posts: 1,094

    The GeForce 8600 GTS should be a good enough card. As for the Core 2 Duo, are you sure that you have the right CPU socket for it?
  20. foxkashi

    foxkashi Newcomer, in training

    i thought that the core2duo uses the same socket as the pentium D? :s

    anyway, i think i read somewhere that it does. the mobo i have is an Asus P5nd2 SLi deluxe .. its two years old but i think it has the right socket
  21. beef_jerky4104

    beef_jerky4104 Banned Posts: 1,094

    Then yes, I miss read the 7800 GT as a 7800 GS.
  22. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,277   +22

    The mobo might need a BIOS upgrade for a Core 2 Duo if it's two years old. Check on ASUS's site to be sure.
  23. foxkashi

    foxkashi Newcomer, in training

    ahh ive been getting lots of other issues like... ill start up my comp things will be fine for about 5 minutes and then it will either A) shut down B) just lock up or C) the screen will turn black

    most of the time it will restart itself and it will get to the XP loading screen where it locks up and restarts again, prompting me to start up with either last known good configs, start normally or start in safe mode, which no matter which i select, it crashes at the xp loading screen again, ad infinitum. other times it will just shut down.

    ive noticed that if i turn off the power in the back for a few hours it will allow me about 5 - 10 minutes of being on it then it repeats the process. im assuming its a heating issue, and right now i have the case side opened with a small personal fan blowing into it, directed mainly toward the processor.

    i left it unpowered for about 12 hours now and im wondering if there is any difference in how long i leave it unpowered.

    **update** after leaving off for 12 hours i was only able to be on for about 20 minutes. i dont think leaving it off for that extended amount of time really made much of a difference :s
    **edit** i've noticed that when i'm just on my desktop and on aim my cpu usage is down to just about ~0-4%, running just aim and winamp music; whereas if i open an application such as firefox or the video utility in winamp, the cpu usage shoots up to about ~80-100%. if i run such applications, my computer will only last about 5 minutes or so and then crash.
  24. foxkashi

    foxkashi Newcomer, in training

    **edit** i've noticed that when i'm just on my desktop and on aim my cpu usage is down to just about ~0-4%, running just aim and winamp music; whereas if i open an application such as firefox or the video utility in winamp, the cpu usage shoots up to about ~80-100%. if i run such applications, my computer will only last about 5 minutes or so and then crash.
  25. beef_jerky4104

    beef_jerky4104 Banned Posts: 1,094

    Random restarting or reseting could be the sign of a bad power supply. Also since the CPU load goes so high perhaps it could be over heating.
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