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Suspected LulzSec hacker arrested for attack on Sony

By Jos
Sep 23, 2011
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  1. The FBI arrested a suspected member of the hacking group LulzSec yesterday for allegedly taking part in an extensive security breach involving Sony Pictures Entertainment. The hacker, 23-year-old Cody Kretsinger, is…

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  2. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,105   +18

    Oh the irony....

    To paraphrase:

    "From a single warrant we accessed EVERYTHING," the FBI said in a statement at the time. "Why do you put such faith in a company that allows itself to become open to these simple court orders."
     
  3. The long arms of the law always win. :) hooray for justice.
     
  4. I'd only call it justice if he gets an appropriate sentence.
    Keep things in perspective, this isn't aggravated assault or aggravated battery, both of which have an average prison term of only 3.7 years.

    It's not like he killed or injured anyone, so give him a $10k fine or a few months in prison.
     
  5. Justice my ***...
     
  6. Leeky

    Leeky TS Evangelist Posts: 4,378   +99

    Given the increase in recent times of hackers compromising corporations, and publicly sharing the spoils I very much doubt you'll be seeing light prison terms.

    Its likely the Justice Departments, courts and Judges will all want to impose heavy sentences as a warning to those hackers that do continue to break the law. But when it comes to justice, the outcome is usually surprising so its entirely possible.
     
  7. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,105   +18

    He participated in disrupting the lives of thousands of people. I've had friends who had to change all their contact info, credit cards, etc, because of this crap.

    No, he and all his little buddies should get nice long sentences of jail time, and even if they're not getting pounded in the *** daily, the threat of it, or getting beaten up, or having all your stuff taken away from you, will make them reconsider the value of LULZ.

    People like you are exactly the problem. Nothing happened to you, so you don't care, you think its funny. Perhaps you're 12 and having your identity stolen is not a big deal to you, but for people, adults, to whom it has happened, have had their lives disrupted for years while they try to restore their good name and credit.

    Sentences need to be much harsher, so that hackers don't think that the worst thing that will happen to them if they end up getting caught is becoming an editor at Wired.
     
  8. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,537   +330

    To be honest I bet half the things he's being sentence for he didn't participate in, hell I bet he only read the twitter page and torrented the database because he clicked the link from his favourite news site, but still, I would have hated getting my identity stolen, I guess someone has to be made an example of, although I feel Sony should have been in court over this more, they held our details in plain text for christ sake!

    To be honest, I'm still on the fence about all this hacking business :)
     
  9. slamscaper

    slamscaper TS Enthusiast Posts: 112   +11

    Well, I always said this would happen sooner or later. It's funny how Lulzsec tried to portray the FBI as being ignorant and *****ic, yet this guy was still caught despite the fact that he nuked his hard drives to cover everything up.

    No matter how good these hacker groups think they are, there's always someone better working for the other side. The FBI knows every cyber trick in the book and they'll play dirty if they have to. If they stay on the case long enough, they catch everyone eventually.
     
  10. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 830

    I completely disagree. It's knee jerk reactions like yours that are the biggest threat to society today. I believe the Guest is correct in his statement. Violent criminals are often given less that 5 years for robbery, battery, rape and assault. Perhaps you've never been a victim of these crimes, so you don't care, you think its funny. But the fact is that the harm from inconveniencing people is not even comparable to the harm of violent crime and yet we don't punish these crimes accordingly.
     
  11. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 11,055   +970

    And I completely disagree with you.

    The disparity of sentencing is mostly one of jurisdiction. Murder, and other violent crime only rises to the federal level when crossing a state line or if the death / injury of a federal agent is involved. In which the penalties are doubled!

    Local jurisdictions don't have the resources to carry sentences to term, and as a consequence the last felon is kicked out of jail to make room for the next.

    The fed has the facilities to keep you as long as they deem appropriate, there's no parole, and you serve a minimum of 85% of your sentence. To the upside, I hear that federal prisons are much nicer than the average county jail...., by a long shot. Hence the commonly held, "Club Fed" assessment. Pack your tennis racquet though, you'll be there for a quite while. Urban legend aside, during the 90's federal prison reforms were enacted. So Dorothy, you're not in the Kansas Federal Country Club anymore, and clicking your heels together simply won't work. Now, bend over for your cavity search.

    So yeah, violent criminals should serve longer sentences, but computer criminals shouldn't get away with a slap on the wrist.

    The issue of differential treatment between blue and white collar crime has raged for decades. And the song usually is that white collar criminals get off too easy. Do you think Bernie Nadoff got a fair sentence? The truth there is, they can't keep that smuck alive long enough to give him the 500 or so years he deserves.

    Much like Gwailo, I'm really sick of listening to a bunch of punk a**, egomaniacal, possibly trannsexual, smack offs on Fadebook, telling me they're stealing everybody's personal information for our own good. Oh yeah, next time I'm fourteen, I'll buy into that.

    If they're that fond of Bull S***, let them serve their sentences on a prison farm, where they can shovel it up for real, erstwhile we don't have to listen to it.
     
     
  12. matrix86

    matrix86 TS Maniac Posts: 804   +9

    Hate to break it to you, but the courts don't give a flying flip how much time people had to spend changing all their info and canceling credit cards. All they care about is what the perp did in regards to the law.

    But anyway, i've been having trouble pinning down exact penalties for the computer misuse act, but here's a tid bit from an article on the bill:

    "The bill will increase the penalty for unauthorised access offences from six months to two years, and for unauthorised modification of computer systems from five to 10 years." This is from an article posted 6 years ago about amendments to the original act.
     
  13. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 11,055   +970

    Actually, at the federal level, and in a round about sort of way, they do.

    Federal sentencing guidelines give and take points away for behaviours during the commission of a crime. You rob a bank, that's xx points. You're carrying a gun,that's more points. You pull it out, more points. You fire it, more points again. Points added are months added to your base sentence.

    What has to happen, is the guidelines need to be updated in a reasonable manner, to compensate for the severity of impact of a given computer crime.

    Law enforcement must continue to evolve and keep pace with cyber crime. certainly is.
     
  14. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,105   +18

    Nobody is getting my point it seems. My point is that in a cybercrime the amount of victims is staggering compared to "real world" crimes. When you steal the credit card numbers of 100,000 people, you're affecting 100,000 lives. If you steal one guy's wallet, you get, let's say, six months. Now, if you steal 100,000 guys "virtual wallets" you get six months. The amount of victims in a cyber crime is not taken into account when sentencing happens.

    All I am saying is that when cyber criminals are sentenced, the amount of damage they do should be taken into account, not just the single count of computer hacking. If you set a building on fire in order to get back at your ex, and you end up killing 50 people, you don't get charged with one count of arson, and the deaths are just counted as incidental to the fire, you get charged with 50 counts of murder, and you get 50 life sentences.

    I understand that sentencing guidelines don't reflect this fact, that is what bothers me. I don't think that people should get life sentences for stealing credit card numbers, but when you disrupt the lives of so many people, your sentence should reflect the amount of chaos that you did to society, even something as trivial as forcing people to get new credit card numbers. If a car thief can get a few years for stealing a car, why does a guy whose economic damages are in the millions in terms of man hours of work needed to rectify the problem he caused should get a slap on the wrist? If you steal 100,000 credit card numbers, you stole from 100,000 people. A decade in prison would be a fair penalty for such a crime, not six months and a $10,000 fine. How is that even a fair punishment for the damage the person has done? That's a joke, and it's not punishment, and it's not a deterrent. It's an inconvenience. And crimes of this scope, that cause this much damage and havoc to society, should not be punished with an inconvenience.
     
  15. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 11,055   +970

    I completely get your point, and agree with you completely. Which is why my feelings are so hurt, when you, in such a cavalier and disdainful fashion, brutally stuff me in the "nobody" category.
     
  16. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,105   +18

    My apologies good sir.

    I will henceforth only refer to you as "nobody" when being interrogated by a angry cyclops.
     
  17. NTAPRO

    NTAPRO TS Enthusiast Posts: 811   +91

    Why do they move people to California? I keep hearing about that place when Sony is mentioned...
     
  18. NTAPRO

    NTAPRO TS Enthusiast Posts: 811   +91

    Not everyone gets pounded in the *** >_>
     


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