It seems to me you attempt to discredit Intel as mush as zephead is discrediting AMD. Is that not a small bit hypocritical? Each of you have extremly vaild point, but i do not belvie either of you are right or wrong, it is a matter of opinion.

Sean

btw-i dont not think that he ment anything discriminatory about asian people in any way.

Why would I discredit Intel when I daily use Intel processors? I favor AMD for price alone. I own many Intel systems, and in fact my workstation at home is a Dual Xeon.

Zephead is a smart guy. I respect that he does usually know what he is talking about. In this area, however, his statement was way too broad and could have been taken many ways. The whole asian boards thing is pure rubbish, and aside from a single instance on a single hardware site I've yet to see any solid proof, or even semi-proof, of "factory overclocking" coming from "asian board makers".


And zephead: The k5 did indeed leave a bad taste in many peoples mouths, as did the K6.


But so did the Celeron Classic, Rambus, the Pentium 4 Wilamette, software-readable Serial numbers on P3 processors, and lately the Prescott.

did you read that part?
and i've owned plenty of asian boards before i got my d865perl and they've been great.

in regards to the bad taste:

i agree in that said issues were dissapointments to say the least.

and i have no interest in discrediting anyone or equating the past with the present.

Well zep, you just seem to do a lot of backtracking. First you said that "many" products overclock themselves, then said it wasn't a big issues and didn't happen much. Then you said "Overclocking AMD processors was a joke in the past", when that was true for only two processors, when MORE intel processors were a joke to overclock.

Are you an overclocker, zephead?

'many' products out of all motherboards sold doesn't amount to a lot.

people bought the k-5's and k-6's and found that intel processors AT THE TIME could be pushed farther and faster. often the amd or cyrix processors would fail when pushed faster or to higher voltages.

i wouldn't consider myself a hard-core overclocker but i have always played around with overclocking and will continue to do so.

i thought we were clear what i defined as 'past' in that statement. when the k-5 came out and the k-6 following it.

So for 9 months, a decade ago, Pentiums could be pushed farther than K5 and K6s. Just making sure. However, this doesn't really apply to today. Just like you said, it's the past.

yes it was in the past and can't really be applied today. i was reflecting on amd's past.

But why? Until you came in, no one had spoken about any vendors and their product potential at all. It was all generic information, and had nothing to do with vendor or vendor merit. Your random response that was critical of AMD seemed to be nothing but flamebait to me and had no real purpose to the original topic.

i said times change, indicating that amd processors today are NOT a joke.