The Radeon RX Vega 64 Liquid, Vega 64 & Vega 56 Test: 32 Games Benchmarked

[AntiShill]

You were comparing revenue as a way to show that AMD and nVidia gain the same amount of money, but that is inherently dishonest because in the case of nVidia practically their full revenue is relevant, while for AMD only their GPU revenue is relevant. .

Should I compare AMD to Intel then? Intel is into way more areas and way more stuff than AMD but overall they make their profits too see:
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/INTC/financials?p=INTC

The is nothing dishonest about comparing AMD to nVidia, any more than comparing say retailers like Walmart vs. Walgreens. Specialization or not is no excuse for poor management.

BTW, not that I buy into nVidia's marking crap, but I think nVidia would want you to know they are more than video cards, or gaming, like they stuff for automotive, AI vision, mobile, etc. When these companies are running at 5 Billion a year in revenue, it is not all concentrated in any single item like the way you like to imagine. AMD is screwing up if they do NOT know how to make money from a bread and butter $200 video card dead center in the mid range. The manufacturing costs of top end $700 card vs a $200 is really not all that different, but those costs are not even an issue for AMD or nVidia, that is imposed on their board partners, fans, heatsinks, memory, pcb, vrms, those are all costs for the board partners and they not cost that much more for a GTX1080ti vs a GT1050ti. The chip fab costs differences for a GTX1050ti vs GTX1080ti is negligible, the real costs are all in the R&D, and in that we already see AMD spending less.

 

[JohnnyStone]

Have a look at this to have a better understanding on where AMD's focus is:

Watch the time before this clip as well. So to say Vega as a whole is a failure is just ignorant.

 

[PC EliTiST]

Admitedly, I don't like at all there is no one game that AMD exceeds the TI. At least one, dammit.

Fortunately, I don't give a damn about GPUs at the moment. Can't wait for the legendary i5 8600.

 

[AntiShill]

Have a look at this to have a better understanding on where AMD's focus is:

Watch the time before this clip as well. So to say Vega as a whole is a failure is just ignorant.

Really you are going to link us more AMD marketing directly from AMD. Do they pay you for this? How about something objective from a 3rd party. The best thing you can do for yourself is stop watching AMD's hype.

 

[hahahanoobs]

Better to talk about GPU yeah, not cards. Intel should stop making embedded GPU's if AMD is faster if AMD should stop making discrete GPU's if Nvidia is faster.

Raven Ridge will change that weak CPU good GPU as Ryzen core is not weak CPU in any metric.



Lost in DirectX 11 games yeah.



Pascal has no chance against Raven Ridge except perhaps on high end where GPU has tons of dedicated memory and Nvidia's "mobile" GPU's are in fact desktop parts.



Remember that AMD sells tons of non-discrete graphic cards. Nvidia, well, almost none. So basically if Raven Ridge is huge success, it will make AMD's share of discrete graphic cards to be lower, not higher. On total market share Intel is superior leader and AMD is very close to Nvidia. So this discrete GPU share does not tell everything.

AMD makes barely anything from the semi-custom market. I told you that already.

 

[hahahanoobs]

Your response does not make sense in any way. Did you say Vega RX? No! Radeon Pro SSG is also a Radeon, yet it is in a completely different class. Do you even know what that is? Probably not.

I think even you could have figured out what I was getting at. If you're still lost, Vega RX is a gaming card that was designed to go up against the 1070 and 1080, which are also, wait for it - GAMING cards.

 

[HardReset]

AMD makes barely anything from the semi-custom market. I told you that already.

Makes good profit already. Also semi custom market is somewhat rapidly growing and I expect it to be major boost for AMD quite soon.

I think even you could have figured out what I was getting at. If you're still lost, Vega RX is a gaming card that was designed to go up against the 1070 and 1080, which are also, wait for it - GAMING cards.

No, Vega was designed to be professional card that is also somewhat good at gaming.

 

[hahahanoobs]

Makes good profit already. Also semi custom market is somewhat rapidly growing and I expect it to be major boost for AMD quite soon.



No, Vega was designed to be professional card that is also somewhat good at gaming.

Show me the articles and statements where AMD said that. I'll wait....

 

[HardReset]

Show me the articles and statements where AMD said that. I'll wait....

Since using google is too hard, this time I make it for you:

http://wccftech.com/amd-demand-semi-custom-project-scorpio/
https://pro.radeon.com/en-us/vega-frontier-edition/

 

[hahahanoobs]

Since using google is too hard, this time I make it for you:

http://wccftech.com/amd-demand-semi-custom-project-scorpio/
https://pro.radeon.com/en-us/vega-frontier-edition/

*sigh*
That's where I thought you'd go.
Vega FE is not Vega RX.
Try harder.

 

[HardReset]

*sigh*
That's where I thought you'd go.
Vega FE is not Vega RX.
Try harder.

I list architectural differences between Vega Frontier edition and Vega RX:

 

[hahahanoobs]

I list architectural differences between Vega Frontier edition and Vega RX:

Yet AMD still made slides putting it up against the 1070 and 1080, so if what you're saying is true, AMD really really really needs to get out of the graphics market, because Vega FE suuuuuuuuucks.

But yea, Vega RX wasn't built for gaming....

 

[HardReset]

Yet AMD still made slides putting it up against the 1070 and 1080, so if what you're saying is true, AMD really really really needs to get out of the graphics market, because Vega FE suuuuuuuuucks.

No, it doesn't and future drivers will make it much better. You'll see.

 

[hahahanoobs]

No, it doesn't and future drivers will make it much better. You'll see.

By then people will have already bought nVIDIA or waiting for Volta....
AMD graphics are on life support. You'll see.

 

[Burty117]

future drivers will make it much better. You'll see.

Ah HardReset, so many years saying this, so many years we've all been left bitterly disappointed

 

[HardReset]

By then people will have already bought nVIDIA or waiting for Volta....
AMD graphics are on life support. You'll see.

Or wait for Navi.

Since Maxwell 2014, Nvidia has made very slow progress. No, Pascal was not great progress as it's basically Maxwell with 16nm tech.

Ah HardReset, so many years saying this, so many years we've all been left bitterly disappointed

Not this time.

 

[hahahanoobs]

Or wait for Navi.

Since Maxwell 2014, Nvidia has made very slow progress. No, Pascal was not great progress as it's basically Maxwell with 16nm tech.

And the best AMD could do was release a turd.
RTG is a money pit. It needs to go.

 

[ddferrari]

Steve Walton Great review and thank you for all your hard work! Your graphs are a really nice way to see everything in one tidy package. Cheers!

 

[Burty117]

Hey Techspot, when did you get so Nazi on the comment section? You've deleted 2 or 3 of my comments on just this thread alone, they weren't even offensive, one had a GTFO meme in and the latest one was rhyming with HardReset? You run articles about keeping the internet censorship free and even quote swear words from Twitter posts but a GTFO meme was too far?

 

[Magnums94]

Hey Techspot, when did you get so Nazi on the comment section? You've deleted 2 or 3 of my comments on just this thread alone, they weren't even offensive, one had a GTFO meme in and the latest one was rhyming with HardReset? You run articles about keeping the internet censorship free and even quote swear words from Twitter posts but a GTFO meme was too far?

I didn't even notice, but if that is true, then seriously.. why? I have seen some very slippery comments and yet, those haven't been taken down. You are not alone on this crusade to justice Burty

 

[NightAntilli]

Should I compare AMD to Intel then? Intel is into way more areas and way more stuff than AMD but overall they make their profits too see:
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/INTC/financials?p=INTC

The is nothing dishonest about comparing AMD to nVidia, any more than comparing say retailers like Walmart vs. Walgreens. Specialization or not is no excuse for poor management.

BTW, not that I buy into nVidia's marking crap, but I think nVidia would want you to know they are more than video cards, or gaming, like they stuff for automotive, AI vision, mobile, etc. When these companies are running at 5 Billion a year in revenue, it is not all concentrated in any single item like the way you like to imagine. AMD is screwing up if they do NOT know how to make money from a bread and butter $200 video card dead center in the mid range. The manufacturing costs of top end $700 card vs a $200 is really not all that different, but those costs are not even an issue for AMD or nVidia, that is imposed on their board partners, fans, heatsinks, memory, pcb, vrms, those are all costs for the board partners and they not cost that much more for a GTX1080ti vs a GT1050ti. The chip fab costs differences for a GTX1050ti vs GTX1080ti is negligible, the real costs are all in the R&D, and in that we already see AMD spending less.

You argue in a disingenuous manner. We were talking about graphics card sales of AMD vs nVidia. You proceeded to compare revenue of whole of AMD to whole of nVidia, which simplistically stated is CPU+GPU vs GPU only. In order to compare who sells the most GPUs, the best approach is to compare gaming division vs gaming division revenue. I pointed this out, and now you're bringing Intel into the mix, purposefully missing the point, saying there's nothing dishonest about comparing AMD to nVidia, which is not what was stated.

Not saying you're wrong... Simply, irrelevant since it is not addressing the points, but talking past them.

I guess we're done. A conversation requires staying on-topic, not constantly shifting of goal posts.

 

[AntiShill]

... purposefully missing the point, saying there's nothing dishonest about comparing AMD to nVidia, which is not what was stated...

You went and called me dishonest for pointing you do not get to decide what gets compared. And now you want to lie about that too. Was NOT stated... really. From your own word in your own post:

You were comparing revenue as a way to show that AMD and nVidia gain the same amount of money, but that is inherently dishonest ....

This evidence is self evident. Everyone can see it here. I am not putting word in your mouth.

A conversation requires staying on-topic, not constantly shifting of goal posts.

There were no goal posts that you liked to start with. There is no missing "the point". You do not get to dictate the terms, qualifier, filters, etc. for the stats your like to compare. Anyone can play games with statistics and make things look the way they like. The most egregious example being cherry picking. You do NOT get to dictate the terms of the conversation. Face the published facts as they are. Crying about AMD not making enough profits from GPUs is already way off-topic to start with. It has nothing to do with people getting the best-bang-for-their-buck..

The real point it is, that we should try to help everyone save money. Everyone knows Intel is overpriced and some nVidia stuff is way to expensive. Also more that a few people feels that AMD has overpriced Ryzen and Vega even compared to Intel and nVidia, and if they get punished in the market for it, AMD earned that themselves, no excuses needed.

 

[NightAntilli]

Everyone can indeed see it I was not the dishonest one. Cheers.

 

[AntiShill]

Everyone can indeed see it I was not the dishonest one. Cheers.

And cheetos jesus, (a.k.a trump) thinks he never lies too. LOL. Everyone else is fake news. Yep exactly that.

 

[Amet Monegro]

Good but where performance comparison´s on VEGA 64 with its 6 power modes and VEGA 56 with its 3 power modes? we wanna know how changes power draw and FPS with diferent modes...

thanks