The Ryzen 5600X3D is real, but only while supplies last

[Neatfeatguy]

If your GPU is the limiting factor for the types of games you play, then yes, you'll get this experience you're getting right now.

If a GPU is powerful enough, and the CPU is limiting either at max fps or 1% lows, a CPU upgrade will definitely show some improved results.

That's the truth. At the end of my PII x4 940's life (even with me OCing it from 3.0 to 3.6GHz) I had two GTX 570s I ran in SLI and they were behind held back, but I didn't realize by how much until I moved to a faster CPU. I kneow the cards were choking the CPU, she couldn't keep up with them, but I ran them anyway because I was upgrading the CPU soon.

When I stepped into the realm of the i5-4670k and just running things at stock speed, I gained nearly double the frames in most games I was playing.

Here's a few games I tested before and after the CPU switch back in 2015:

You can see how, for the most part, the PII x4 940 wasn't able to feed the GPUs fast enough and causing a choke point.

With that said...

I purchased a 5800X3D about nine months ago. I have no clue what all the hype is about as I saw very little performance increase from the 2700x I had in the system previously. I still firmly believe CPU upgrades for gaming do very little, it's always more to do with the GPU.

In 1080p gaming (based on TPU reviews), the 2700X is about 8% behind a 3600X, which in return is about 25% behind the 5800X3D.

At 1440p gaming (based on TPU reviews), the 2700X is about 3% behind a 3600X, which in return is about 20% behind the 5800X3D.

Depending on your GPU, games, resolution, refresh rate of your monitor, use of frame limiter and/or vsync and so on - you may have already been gaming at a level you were already achieving with the 2700X so the move to the 5800X3D made no difference to you. Or, your GPU can't keep up with the 5800X3D and the move made not much of a difference to you.

As you can see from my graphs above, moving from a CPU that's holding things back can and will give you a solid performance boost.

 

[Shirley Dulcey]

Problem is a motherboard that supports it. If you already have Ryzen great, but I bet you already got the 5800X3D in that case, or are fine with a 5600X for even cheaper. If you don't have a motherboard you need flashback, and those are expensive motherboards, you might as well just pay a bit more and get on AM5 or Raptor Lake, actually you can find cheaper Z690 boards that will support 12-14th gen Intels (although the same bios issue can arise).

Problem is there is no way to know if your BIOS is flashed and supported, and I don't think these CPUs even boot at all if they're not supported. So you need flashback or you have to just hope it was updated.

There are people out there who are still running older Ryzen 2000 or 3000 series chips. They will be the best candidates to upgrade to this if they have a compatible motherboard; most should just need a BIOS update, which they can flash BEFORE replacing the CPU. There will also be some builders of new budget gaming systems who will buy it.

 

[Shirley Dulcey]

Most CPUs at Micro Center are only available for in-store purchase, and have been for years. You can order most of them online but you have to go in to pick them up. The policy for the 5600X3D is nothing new.

Right now their only exceptions are the ancient Ryzen 5 3600 (priced for super-budget systems at $80, and you still get the $20 motherboard savings if you buy one) and some Threadripper Pro chips.

 

[HofyPC]

Who cares? Only at Microcenter. Might as well be only available on the moon.

 

[ZedRM]

Huh. Yes they are just using leftover dies for the 5600X3D, but they could just as easily make a 7600X3D rather than make 7600X, which is a p!ss poor value cpu IMO.

You missed something. AMD had spare 5800X dies that had defective cores. These dies could easily be converted over to a 6 core variant by disabling the defective cores leaving the otherwise perfect cores operational. AMD does NOT have the same kind of invantory for the 7800X/7800/7700 dies.

Who cares? Only at Microcenter. Might as well be only available on the moon.

Unless you live near a Microcenter...

 

[STbob]

"While supplies last"
The 5600x3d is a defective version of the 5800x3d where applying the vcache damages the CCD

That might be a wives tale according to Toms Hardware its a purpose built chip not a defective chip that damages the CCD. Not sure where you got that information, makes no sense because the cache works fine.

From Toms:
The full story of the Ryzen 5 5600X3D will likely remain shrouded in secrecy for some time, but we’ve pieced together information from multiple sources. AMD hasn’t provided an official comment, but sources close to the matter tell us these chips were “purpose-built” to be launched as Ryzen 5 5600X3D parts. As such, they aren’t made of defective Ryzen 7 5800X3D processors.

Typically, we would expect the 5600X3D chips to be constructed from eight-core Ryzen 7 5800X3D processors that suffered defects in manufacturing and were then harvested as six-core models. However, the 3D V-Cache manufacturing process is more expensive than AMD’s standard packaging technique, so AMD only earmarks its fully validated silicon (Known Good Die – KGD)

We’re told that AMD purposefully created the 5600X3D chips by either mounting a cache chiplet atop a standard down-binned six-core KGD die (like the one found in a 5600X), or intentionally disabling cores on some fully-working 5800X3D models. We're told that a misunderstanding of the description of the former process, which does use a down-binned standard die, probably resulted in erroneous reports that the 5600X3D are merely down-binned 5800X3D processors due to defects in the cores. (You can read more about the Second-Gen 3D V-Cache packaging tech used in the newer Ryzen 7000X3D models here.)

 

[STbob]

They will be on Ebay the day of release for a $50-100 premium.

Pretty good guess they are 50- $150.00 mark up. Its one per household so are these dirtbags driving to MicroCenter and buying them up at 229.00 just to scalp?

 

[Neatfeatguy]

Pretty good guess they are 50- $150.00 mark up. Its one per household so are these dirtbags driving to MicroCenter and buying them up at 229.00 just to scalp?

Nature of people (most of us) to benefit when you can, where you can.

I could certainly hit up my local Micro Center, buy one for around $250 (after tax) and post on another site for around $325-350 just to make it worth my time. At that price, though, most people aren't going to pay for it that I would think.

$325 range, the 5800X3D is right there (currently $331 on Amazon). So those rocking an AM4 MB and want to upgrade to a good gaming CPU from their 2/3 series CPU....why spend the same off ebay for a 5600X3D when you can buy a 5800X3D for the same cost and have a CPU that games just as good and handles multi-threading a little better because of 2 extra cores? I know I wouldn't - I'd spend the money for the 8core version and be done with it.

Anyone looking to build new, if they're local to a Micro Center and they're not wanting to break the bank then I'd say the 5600X3D might be a good choice, however, the 5800X3D is only $60 more. Those two extra cores worth the $60 difference? If it's not going to pull funds from other hardware, I'd certainly look in passing up the 5600 and getting the 5800 instead.

Initially when these CPUs went on sale I could see some folks selling them for $350 or more and those not close to a Micro Center buying them because they want to play with it or collect it because it's not a very common CPU. After that initial wave.....they just aren't going to really sell.

Because of all that, that's why I see it as being stupid to spending almost $250 (after tax) and hoping to make extra off selling one on a third party site. In the end, I honestly think I'd be lucky if I made broke even.

 

[STbob]

Nature of people (most of us) to benefit when you can, where you can.

I could certainly hit up my local Micro Center, buy one for around $250 (after tax) and post on another site for around $325-350 just to make it worth my time. At that price, though, most people aren't going to pay for it that I would think.

$325 range, the 5800X3D is right there (currently $331 on Amazon). So those rocking an AM4 MB and want to upgrade to a good gaming CPU from their 2/3 series CPU....why spend the same off ebay for a 5600X3D when you can buy a 5800X3D for the same cost and have a CPU that games just as good and handles multi-threading a little better because of 2 extra cores? I know I wouldn't - I'd spend the money for the 8core version and be done with it.

Anyone looking to build new, if they're local to a Micro Center and they're not wanting to break the bank then I'd say the 5600X3D might be a good choice, however, the 5800X3D is only $60 more. Those two extra cores worth the $60 difference? If it's not going to pull funds from other hardware, I'd certainly look in passing up the 5600 and getting the 5800 instead.

Initially when these CPUs went on sale I could see some folks selling them for $350 or more and those not close to a Micro Center buying them because they want to play with it or collect it because it's not a very common CPU. After that initial wave.....they just aren't going to really sell.

Because of all that, that's why I see it as being stupid to spending almost $250 (after tax) and hoping to make extra off selling one on a third party site. In the end, I honestly think I'd be lucky if I made broke even.

Yea I'm not like that I just buy what I need, not looking to run up prices like happened with video cards. I agree the 5800x3D is what I would get instead of paying a scalper. And its one per household so not worth the time to drive for one just the sell.
That said I did get two 5600x3Ds (my kid was with me) with the kit they rang up at $172.00 per cpu. A nice update from my 6 core xeon in games. Like 62fps to 96 fps in red dead. 4070. But in most titles I can't tell it apart from my old Hex xeon even though it benches better. the other replaced a 3770k + 3060ti Tomb raider went from 71fps ave to 165 fps. Bigger difference for sure.