Thoughts on Vista/What is Your Problem With Vista
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CaptPajamaShark
Posts: 21 +0
Except for the extreme ammount of security warnings, I don't have much to complain about for vista. My only complaint is that it seems to be less flexible than windows XP, and I would like an OS that is more flexible.
captaincranky
Posts: 19,690 +8,831
Smoke and Mirrors, Er.....I Mean Aero
What you guys should be concentrating on is to get corporations like Adobe to write for Linux, instead of wasting time endlessly debating the pros and cons of Vista. Microsoft is laughing from afar. Love us, hate us, who gives a s*** what you think, you'll buy from us because your whole lives you've been conditioned to consume AND we're (for all intents and purposes) a monopoly. We're above the law, we'll slap spyware on your computer that you can't do anything about then ram a bunch of garbage down your throat that it's for your own good. What do we care if you don't like Vista. Go f****** buy XP! The money comes right back to the same pockets. Meanwhile Bill Gates travels the world giving spiels about how it's for our own good for us all to be using his OS.
The advertising community's subtext is engineered to make you feel unworthy if you don't buy a new car every 2 years or so. So why shouldn't you feel less than a man (or woman) if you don't replace your operating system a the same frequency. Obsolesence is as much an economic convenience as a physical truth. YO, Microsoft had to release a new OS because there's no longer any status or money in selling the old one.
They just released a car that parks itself. What difference does it make that a practically identical, but you gotta park it car, costs half as much. Do you need the self parking car to A: Impress the Neighbors? B: reassure yourself of your worth? C: prove you have more money than brains! D: You've been at your computer so long debating the pros and cons of Vista that you're no longer capable of parallel parking your car or, (my favorite), E: all of the forgoing.
My take is to not buy Vista until you have no other choice whatsoever, and meanwhile let Gates take the hit in his pocket until his mediocre synchophant cadre of programmers can get it right.
Our programmers are breaking their necks to write drivers. Our programmers are breaking their backs to write new applications. Our engineers our busting their butts to develop new hardware. You can almost hear Bill screaming JUMP, and a worldwide chorus of morons asking "how high, Mr. Gates".
What you guys should be concentrating on is to get corporations like Adobe to write for Linux, instead of wasting time endlessly debating the pros and cons of Vista. Microsoft is laughing from afar. Love us, hate us, who gives a s*** what you think, you'll buy from us because your whole lives you've been conditioned to consume AND we're (for all intents and purposes) a monopoly. We're above the law, we'll slap spyware on your computer that you can't do anything about then ram a bunch of garbage down your throat that it's for your own good. What do we care if you don't like Vista. Go f****** buy XP! The money comes right back to the same pockets. Meanwhile Bill Gates travels the world giving spiels about how it's for our own good for us all to be using his OS.
The advertising community's subtext is engineered to make you feel unworthy if you don't buy a new car every 2 years or so. So why shouldn't you feel less than a man (or woman) if you don't replace your operating system a the same frequency. Obsolesence is as much an economic convenience as a physical truth. YO, Microsoft had to release a new OS because there's no longer any status or money in selling the old one.
They just released a car that parks itself. What difference does it make that a practically identical, but you gotta park it car, costs half as much. Do you need the self parking car to A: Impress the Neighbors? B: reassure yourself of your worth? C: prove you have more money than brains! D: You've been at your computer so long debating the pros and cons of Vista that you're no longer capable of parallel parking your car or, (my favorite), E: all of the forgoing.
My take is to not buy Vista until you have no other choice whatsoever, and meanwhile let Gates take the hit in his pocket until his mediocre synchophant cadre of programmers can get it right.
Our programmers are breaking their necks to write drivers. Our programmers are breaking their backs to write new applications. Our engineers our busting their butts to develop new hardware. You can almost hear Bill screaming JUMP, and a worldwide chorus of morons asking "how high, Mr. Gates".
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Brandon
I don't have any problems with Vista and in fact I love it. It's a lot better than XP in quite many senses. I'm looking forward to the service pack 1 slant for later half of this year.
And honestly, Vista is more stable than xp when it first launched but well, the base of Vista is quite different form xp and thus there are some program incompabitilies.
I have in fact 2 machines running on two copies of OEM vista. woot!
And honestly, Vista is more stable than xp when it first launched but well, the base of Vista is quite different form xp and thus there are some program incompabitilies.
I have in fact 2 machines running on two copies of OEM vista. woot!
captaincranky
Posts: 19,690 +8,831
Balancing act......
Sometimes it's difficult balancing the tangible values of a product with the known ulterior motives of it's marketer. This question always springs to mind; do you think the hardware manufacturers said "oh drat now we'll have to sell all new hardware" or "you go Billy, obsolete all their machines for us, so we won't look like the bad guys"? Equipment obsolecense in the computer field is
rapid enough, thank you very much, without forcing the issue. I suppose it could be argued either way, wait 'til it's right, then release it, or you can't get it right until after it's been in service for quite a while. The fact does remain, Mr. Gates and Microsoft have way too much power, and they tell me power corrupts.
As I read different peoples thoughts on Intel's resurgence in the processor market, one theme keeps recurring, I hope that AMD gets it's act together so that Intel doesn't put them out of business rendering them (Intel) a monopoly. This is pretty much the state of the OS market already, and I can't help but be frightened by the acceptance of it
Brandon said:
Sometimes it's difficult balancing the tangible values of a product with the known ulterior motives of it's marketer. This question always springs to mind; do you think the hardware manufacturers said "oh drat now we'll have to sell all new hardware" or "you go Billy, obsolete all their machines for us, so we won't look like the bad guys"? Equipment obsolecense in the computer field is
rapid enough, thank you very much, without forcing the issue. I suppose it could be argued either way, wait 'til it's right, then release it, or you can't get it right until after it's been in service for quite a while. The fact does remain, Mr. Gates and Microsoft have way too much power, and they tell me power corrupts.
As I read different peoples thoughts on Intel's resurgence in the processor market, one theme keeps recurring, I hope that AMD gets it's act together so that Intel doesn't put them out of business rendering them (Intel) a monopoly. This is pretty much the state of the OS market already, and I can't help but be frightened by the acceptance of it
I installed vista used it for a week or two then removed it and went back to WinXP. Things just seemed to run slower on it and not to mention many of my games not running up to par on it which really sucked. So until I either upgrade to a new system with a direct X 10 card or these issues get worked out I am sticking to XP. Also until a lot of new device drivers get updated to work properly it just doesn't seem worth it to me.
captaincranky
Posts: 19,690 +8,831
Microsofts Piracy of Trust......
Microsoft has presented us with the biggest marketing conundrum I've possibly ever seen. It started with the XP activation issue. Since then we've been told that this will be good for us a what a wonderful world we would would live in without piracy.
I thought that after MS stopped losing money due to piracy of it's software, it would, or rather should respond by presenting us with reasonably priced software. But enter Bill Gates a megalomaniac, in his quest for world domination. Incidentally, he's only the worlds 2nd richest man, and like Avis, it seems he's going to try harder.
The only monopolies that are allowed are utilities, and even those tend to be scrutinized and limited by locality.
Now, heres the conundrum, stealing is wrong, but MS is stealing from us as well, and judging by the price at which Vista is being rammed down our throats,Mr. Gates apparently hasn't gotten that message.
Microsoft has purchased Novell, which as you all know is a Linux based franchise. Now, Mr.Baumer (of MS) has been running his mouth about "patent infringement", with the open source software. Most people find that laughable, but I don't. My reasoning being that they (MS) are only a few friendly legislators and courts away from getting away with patenting Linux, or at least parts of it. Nobody in this forum has the money to stop them should they take in in their heads to do so! So the moral to that is, left unchecked MS would like it arranged so that we don't have Linux to run back to! So it's back to Vista, which is now available as a suppository!
I think that dickering back and forth about the virtues and vices of Vista only plays into MS's game plan, which basically could be summed up this way, "we don't care if you like it, just by buy it, don't steal it, and by the way it's now the only game in town". They think we're busy playing with our computers and we won't notice. Are we?
At the end of the day it would be a more ethical (and practical) idea to invest in "conflict diamonds", than capitulate to Microsoft and replace all our copies of XP with Vista. As to what I personally am going to do, you can have my XP when you rip it out of my cold, dead hand!
P.S. I find that the depth of Microsoft's control over us is already deeply disturbing and overwhelming, when you have to threaten to not replace one Microsoft operating system with another.
Microsoft has presented us with the biggest marketing conundrum I've possibly ever seen. It started with the XP activation issue. Since then we've been told that this will be good for us a what a wonderful world we would would live in without piracy.
I thought that after MS stopped losing money due to piracy of it's software, it would, or rather should respond by presenting us with reasonably priced software. But enter Bill Gates a megalomaniac, in his quest for world domination. Incidentally, he's only the worlds 2nd richest man, and like Avis, it seems he's going to try harder.
The only monopolies that are allowed are utilities, and even those tend to be scrutinized and limited by locality.
Now, heres the conundrum, stealing is wrong, but MS is stealing from us as well, and judging by the price at which Vista is being rammed down our throats,Mr. Gates apparently hasn't gotten that message.
Microsoft has purchased Novell, which as you all know is a Linux based franchise. Now, Mr.Baumer (of MS) has been running his mouth about "patent infringement", with the open source software. Most people find that laughable, but I don't. My reasoning being that they (MS) are only a few friendly legislators and courts away from getting away with patenting Linux, or at least parts of it. Nobody in this forum has the money to stop them should they take in in their heads to do so! So the moral to that is, left unchecked MS would like it arranged so that we don't have Linux to run back to! So it's back to Vista, which is now available as a suppository!
I think that dickering back and forth about the virtues and vices of Vista only plays into MS's game plan, which basically could be summed up this way, "we don't care if you like it, just by buy it, don't steal it, and by the way it's now the only game in town". They think we're busy playing with our computers and we won't notice. Are we?
At the end of the day it would be a more ethical (and practical) idea to invest in "conflict diamonds", than capitulate to Microsoft and replace all our copies of XP with Vista. As to what I personally am going to do, you can have my XP when you rip it out of my cold, dead hand!
P.S. I find that the depth of Microsoft's control over us is already deeply disturbing and overwhelming, when you have to threaten to not replace one Microsoft operating system with another.
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All those who are using BB and Have this error 1024 :
This has been an ongoing issue with Tiscali BB users, Orange BB users and people who have BB and have Speedtouch modem and the new Drivers.
The reason that the error appears is because the new drivers that you get are meant for Windows Vista and not Windows Xp and the other old Win OS.
So to get that error resolved try this it will work for sure but do it carefully as you have to make changes in Windows Registry. Try it at your own risk and just follow the steps that are given here.
*Start–>Run–>msconfig.
*Click on “Start up” tab:
*In the start up processes look for ” dragdiag.exe “,Please see to it that you find “C:\program files\thomson” next to it.
*Uncheck that option.
*Click ‘apply’ and ‘ok’
*Click ‘close’
*Restart system.
Please let me know if that works for as it has worked for all people that i have tried with.
All those who are using BB and Have this error 1024 :
This has been an ongoing issue with Tiscali BB users, Orange BB users and people who have BB and have Speedtouch modem and the new Drivers.
The reason that the error appears is because the new drivers that you get are meant for Windows Vista and not Windows Xp and the other old Win OS.
So to get that error resolved try this it will work for sure but do it carefully as you have to make changes in Windows Registry. Try it at your own risk and just follow the steps that are given here.
*Start–>Run–>msconfig.
*Click on “Start up” tab:
*In the start up processes look for ” dragdiag.exe “,Please see to it that you find “C:\program files\thomson” next to it.
*Uncheck that option.
*Click ‘apply’ and ‘ok’
*Click ‘close’
*Restart system.
Please let me know if that works for as it has worked for all people that i have tried with.
CaptPajamaShark
Posts: 21 +0
I just got a new computer today, and believe me I tried to get an XP computer, but they where just not selling them at best buy. So I ended up with a laptop with Vista Home Premium, and I figured hey I bought this computer to install Linux on, so I might as well fiddle around with Vista a bit.
Just for the record I'm using an acer aspire 5050-3785 with:
2.2 GHz processor
1 gig DDR2 ram
80 gig hard drive
And so far I really have no complains, it's downloaded and installed opera, aim, aim ad hack and etc fine.
Actually it downloaded and installed ol' aim 5.9 which I was almost certain that it wouldn't because of how old it is, but I tried anyway because I hate the look of aim 6.0+.
Just for the record I'm using an acer aspire 5050-3785 with:
2.2 GHz processor
1 gig DDR2 ram
80 gig hard drive
And so far I really have no complains, it's downloaded and installed opera, aim, aim ad hack and etc fine.
Actually it downloaded and installed ol' aim 5.9 which I was almost certain that it wouldn't because of how old it is, but I tried anyway because I hate the look of aim 6.0+.
windmill007
Posts: 307 +5
Soul Harvestor Has It Right
I agree 100%. I know computers and work on them all the time. VISTA reminds me so much of Windows ME. Nothing good about it. Looks prettier but does nothing better. Try again Microsoft. Vista just isn't any better than XP. Its the same just a bunch of crap thrown in. I mean who wants gadgets and crap. That is so stupid. Also it doesn't allow you to put websites on your desktop (active Desktop). I work at a bank and we have on Intranet on all the desktops. It works great. With Vista we can't do that. It is just to restrictive.
Plus why move stuff all around? Any rhyme or reason?
Am I the only one who still uses classic start menu in XP? I mean it is so much better and quicker to me. Vista did improve the new style start menu over the new style in XP. I will give it that is you like that version of start menu.
The only ones who are singing the Vista praise are people who got it for free and/or they are new to computers and don't know any better. If you are a tech what does Vista give you besides more headaches. I'm just not seeing any advantage what so ever. XP gave you stability over other operating systems. So what Vista is no better in the reguard. What does it do better? Does anyone have an answer? Sure it has some addon cool features but couldn't that just be added to XP and be even better without all the bloat?
I think people need to realize VISTA is nothing more than a prettied up XP with a lot more Bloat. Nothing more nothing less.
I agree 100%. I know computers and work on them all the time. VISTA reminds me so much of Windows ME. Nothing good about it. Looks prettier but does nothing better. Try again Microsoft. Vista just isn't any better than XP. Its the same just a bunch of crap thrown in. I mean who wants gadgets and crap. That is so stupid. Also it doesn't allow you to put websites on your desktop (active Desktop). I work at a bank and we have on Intranet on all the desktops. It works great. With Vista we can't do that. It is just to restrictive.
Plus why move stuff all around? Any rhyme or reason?
Am I the only one who still uses classic start menu in XP? I mean it is so much better and quicker to me. Vista did improve the new style start menu over the new style in XP. I will give it that is you like that version of start menu.
The only ones who are singing the Vista praise are people who got it for free and/or they are new to computers and don't know any better. If you are a tech what does Vista give you besides more headaches. I'm just not seeing any advantage what so ever. XP gave you stability over other operating systems. So what Vista is no better in the reguard. What does it do better? Does anyone have an answer? Sure it has some addon cool features but couldn't that just be added to XP and be even better without all the bloat?
I think people need to realize VISTA is nothing more than a prettied up XP with a lot more Bloat. Nothing more nothing less.
SNGX1275
Posts: 10,615 +467
I agree 100%. I know computers and work on them all the time. XP reminds me so much of Windows ME. Nothing good about it. Looks prettier but does nothing better. Try again Microsoft. XP just isn't any better than 2000. Its the same just a bunch of crap thrown in. I mean who wants cd burning built in and fisher price look. That is so stupid. Also it doesn't allow you to run pure DOS. I have some older games and they just don't work in compatability mode. In 98 they worked great. With XP we can't do that. It is just to restrictive.
Plus why move stuff all around? Any rhyme or reason?
I like the classic start menu, I mean it is so much better and quicker to me. XP did improve the new style start menu over the style in 2000. I will give it that is you like that version of start menu.
The only ones who are singing the XP praise are people who got it for free and/or they are new to computers and don't know any better. If you are a tech what does XP give you besides more headaches. I'm just not seeing any advantage what so ever. 2000 gave you stability over other operating systems. So what XP is no better in the reguard. What does it do better? Does anyone have an answer? Sure it has some addon cool features but couldn't that just be added to 2000 and be even better without all the bloat?
I think people need to realize XP is nothing more than a prettied up 2000 with a lot more Bloat. Nothing more nothing less.
Plus why move stuff all around? Any rhyme or reason?
I like the classic start menu, I mean it is so much better and quicker to me. XP did improve the new style start menu over the style in 2000. I will give it that is you like that version of start menu.
The only ones who are singing the XP praise are people who got it for free and/or they are new to computers and don't know any better. If you are a tech what does XP give you besides more headaches. I'm just not seeing any advantage what so ever. 2000 gave you stability over other operating systems. So what XP is no better in the reguard. What does it do better? Does anyone have an answer? Sure it has some addon cool features but couldn't that just be added to 2000 and be even better without all the bloat?
I think people need to realize XP is nothing more than a prettied up 2000 with a lot more Bloat. Nothing more nothing less.
windmill007
Posts: 307 +5
SNGX1275 - What do you not agree with? Or are u thumbing down Vista? If you think Vista is better tell me why? I just am not seeing anything better.
captaincranky
Posts: 19,690 +8,831
Is there an echo in here.....?
Sngx1275, Windmill007, you need to work out those last 3 posts. My everyday (background) level of confusion is a 6 (out of 10), now it is at 11.
People buy things that don't do anything, diamonds, Hummels, et al. In most cases they do no harm, enter Vista, revolutionizing the arena of the useless.
Microsoft had to create a new OS, almost solely based on their marketing department's forecast of potential revenues generated. Am I the only one this annoys?
And in conclusion: Microsoft is still an octopus of an evil empire, Vista is merely one of it's tentacles.
Sngx1275, Windmill007, you need to work out those last 3 posts. My everyday (background) level of confusion is a 6 (out of 10), now it is at 11.
People buy things that don't do anything, diamonds, Hummels, et al. In most cases they do no harm, enter Vista, revolutionizing the arena of the useless.
Microsoft had to create a new OS, almost solely based on their marketing department's forecast of potential revenues generated. Am I the only one this annoys?
And in conclusion: Microsoft is still an octopus of an evil empire, Vista is merely one of it's tentacles.
SNGX1275
Posts: 10,615 +467
Just pointing out everything you said can be tweaked a bit and be true with XP/2000.
I've got a copy of Vista on my main machine and have had absolutely no problems with it. I'm not really using it for anything that I can't already do in XP, but I bet there isn't anything you are doing in XP that you can't do in 2000.
Its not really even about it being better or not, it is about progress. You now have more out of the box driver support in Vista, you can buy the 64bit version and run with crazy amounts of RAM, directx10. It has a process monitor that gives you far more information about what is going on in your system than XP does, finally has DVD burning support without 3rd party programs. I could go on but then it reads like a press release.
I'm not really pro Vista, but I am anti Vista bashing. I saw nearly word for word arguments on this forum several years ago when XP came out, and in reality it was true. Windows 2000 is a great OS and there really isn't anything I can't do on 2000 with a few additional programs than anyone can do in XP or Vista.
For the record my computers are as follows:
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows XP Professional/Ubuntu 7.04
Windows Home Server RC1
Windows 2000 w/SP4
Mac OS X 10.3.9
Mac OS X 10.4.9
6 different physical computers.
I've got a copy of Vista on my main machine and have had absolutely no problems with it. I'm not really using it for anything that I can't already do in XP, but I bet there isn't anything you are doing in XP that you can't do in 2000.
Its not really even about it being better or not, it is about progress. You now have more out of the box driver support in Vista, you can buy the 64bit version and run with crazy amounts of RAM, directx10. It has a process monitor that gives you far more information about what is going on in your system than XP does, finally has DVD burning support without 3rd party programs. I could go on but then it reads like a press release.
I'm not really pro Vista, but I am anti Vista bashing. I saw nearly word for word arguments on this forum several years ago when XP came out, and in reality it was true. Windows 2000 is a great OS and there really isn't anything I can't do on 2000 with a few additional programs than anyone can do in XP or Vista.
For the record my computers are as follows:
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows XP Professional/Ubuntu 7.04
Windows Home Server RC1
Windows 2000 w/SP4
Mac OS X 10.3.9
Mac OS X 10.4.9
6 different physical computers.
windmill007
Posts: 307 +5
I was hoping for more.
I see what you are saying I guess I was just hoping Vista would be more than it is. I'm not saying you will have problems just that it doesn't offer any advantage currently. But it does have compatability problems that maybe fixed in the future. If you want the most stable/compatable OS..XP is it. If you want the newest bloated OS and can put up with beta testing an OS then by all means give VISTA a whirl... I just don't think power users or people in the know have any need or use at this current time to use Vista.
I see what you are saying I guess I was just hoping Vista would be more than it is. I'm not saying you will have problems just that it doesn't offer any advantage currently. But it does have compatability problems that maybe fixed in the future. If you want the most stable/compatable OS..XP is it. If you want the newest bloated OS and can put up with beta testing an OS then by all means give VISTA a whirl... I just don't think power users or people in the know have any need or use at this current time to use Vista.
the.freak
Posts: 86 +0
I have a 4 year old pc that I upped with 2GB of Kingston RAM and an AGP nVidia GeForce 7800 GS/OC ... New 600W PSU ... And Vista is running without a glitch been using it since March (Pirated) Bought and Downloaded the Original Online !!!! Still no trouble ...
Although I Use Adobe Premiere and After-Effects CS3 + I Render Huge Scenes in Max ... I also Use Maya and I Rip/Burn DVDs ... Author DVDs too ... Do Lots of Montage ... Doesn't all that stress a PC ?!?!?!?!?! On XP AE And Premiere Pro kept crashing and BSODs .... And whenever I installed a foreign software Like Sandra to benchmark it . It kept freezing ... Even In 3DMark06 ... On Vista Ultimate Since March I've seen none of these errors ... The only annoying thing I found so far is the fact that it switches to basic mode whenever I try to watch a DivX Streaming movie from http://stage6.divx.com/ ... THAT's IT .... I USE IT AS MY SERVER @ HOME ... I have 6 PCs too and that PC has Vista Ultimate and Mikrotik 2.9 on M$ VirtualPC 2007 ...
Still baffeled with all the Anti-Vista People here ... Am I the only lucky guy around here ?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Although I Use Adobe Premiere and After-Effects CS3 + I Render Huge Scenes in Max ... I also Use Maya and I Rip/Burn DVDs ... Author DVDs too ... Do Lots of Montage ... Doesn't all that stress a PC ?!?!?!?!?! On XP AE And Premiere Pro kept crashing and BSODs .... And whenever I installed a foreign software Like Sandra to benchmark it . It kept freezing ... Even In 3DMark06 ... On Vista Ultimate Since March I've seen none of these errors ... The only annoying thing I found so far is the fact that it switches to basic mode whenever I try to watch a DivX Streaming movie from http://stage6.divx.com/ ... THAT's IT .... I USE IT AS MY SERVER @ HOME ... I have 6 PCs too and that PC has Vista Ultimate and Mikrotik 2.9 on M$ VirtualPC 2007 ...
Still baffeled with all the Anti-Vista People here ... Am I the only lucky guy around here ?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
captaincranky
Posts: 19,690 +8,831
Is this the right room for an argument? (Monty Python's "The Argument Clinic")
Since this is a tech forum with tech types, it's much more likely that the people here would migrate to Vista for curiosity's sake, or as Sngx1275, suggests in the name of progress. Let's assume for the sake of non-argument that I agree with everything that Sngx has said, I still rebel at the idea that the migration is the average customers free will and not M$ manipulating the market.
Yes, XP got a terrible reception, granted, mostly for the toy, un-businesslike GUI. Too tacky. Oh, well. Heck, all you still here about it are how many exploits it is prone to, and how much better Mac's operating systems are.
Which brings me back to my original indictment of Microsoft. I'm really tired of having these people calling me a thief, "WGA", (I have 3 LEGAL copies of XP and haven't installed IE 7, since I can't have the update without installing MS's spyware. I'll use Firefox, at least there I still have a choice.
As long as you're alright with finishing the beta testing of Vista without me, well then.
Since this is a tech forum with tech types, it's much more likely that the people here would migrate to Vista for curiosity's sake, or as Sngx1275, suggests in the name of progress. Let's assume for the sake of non-argument that I agree with everything that Sngx has said, I still rebel at the idea that the migration is the average customers free will and not M$ manipulating the market.
Yes, XP got a terrible reception, granted, mostly for the toy, un-businesslike GUI. Too tacky. Oh, well. Heck, all you still here about it are how many exploits it is prone to, and how much better Mac's operating systems are.
Which brings me back to my original indictment of Microsoft. I'm really tired of having these people calling me a thief, "WGA", (I have 3 LEGAL copies of XP and haven't installed IE 7, since I can't have the update without installing MS's spyware. I'll use Firefox, at least there I still have a choice.
As long as you're alright with finishing the beta testing of Vista without me, well then.
I will never like Vista. If I had the time, I would organize a group to boycott this piece.
Why you say?
Digital Rights Management (DRM) which is the new plague of the future.
I know I'll take flak for this but read up and look at what your actually buying and what it could do to the computer industry. Vista DRM
And the reason you need high end hardware is because everything runs through numerous encryption cycles to "protect" the content. This has an enormous tax on system resources.
Technically, its terrible. I'll be more than happy to provide anyone with a 41 page PDF written by Peter Guttmann about this topic. EDIT - LINK TO IT HERE
I don't like being spied on my WGA so I will be running Fedora Core 6 soon.
Why you say?
Digital Rights Management (DRM) which is the new plague of the future.
I know I'll take flak for this but read up and look at what your actually buying and what it could do to the computer industry. Vista DRM
And the reason you need high end hardware is because everything runs through numerous encryption cycles to "protect" the content. This has an enormous tax on system resources.
Technically, its terrible. I'll be more than happy to provide anyone with a 41 page PDF written by Peter Guttmann about this topic. EDIT - LINK TO IT HERE
I don't like being spied on my WGA so I will be running Fedora Core 6 soon.
captaincranky
Posts: 19,690 +8,831
Been There, Boycotted That......
Dude I'm already on board with a boycott.
Although DRM is probably another subject altogether. Everybody's using it. The CSS copyguard on DVDs is after all, a form of DRM. As much as I dislike the evil empire, you can't blame M$ for all DRM.
WGA is injury added to insult. I won't even install certain updates, because I won't submit to that crapware being put on my machines. I installed the first go-around of that nonsense, then they wanted to install another version, which is where I drew the line.
My posts in this thread are mostly about M$'s business model. If you go back through the thread, you'll quickly see I'm at least as hostile as you.
Dude I'm already on board with a boycott.
Although DRM is probably another subject altogether. Everybody's using it. The CSS copyguard on DVDs is after all, a form of DRM. As much as I dislike the evil empire, you can't blame M$ for all DRM.
WGA is injury added to insult. I won't even install certain updates, because I won't submit to that crapware being put on my machines. I installed the first go-around of that nonsense, then they wanted to install another version, which is where I drew the line.
My posts in this thread are mostly about M$'s business model. If you go back through the thread, you'll quickly see I'm at least as hostile as you.
hynesy
Posts: 377 +1
I am sick of these kind of people who just hate microsoft for the sake of fitting in, its pretty sad really, this **** about encryption in Vista causing the computer to slow down sounds like pure crap to me. Sounds like the work of someone who tried to get a pirated copy of Vista and failed and instead of putting their hands in their pockets have instead just decided to boycot the operating system to spite microsoft. I know there are quite a few people out there who are annoyed at microsoft for trying to protect the intellectual property rights with WGA and think its unfair that they cannot ****** this OS. Vista like any operating system has bugs, but they will be fixed, the price maybe be steep but what else can you expect from microsoft? 
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Hynesy
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captaincranky
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hynesy said:I am sick of these kind of people who just hate microsoft for the sake of fitting in, its pretty sad really, this **** about encryption in Vista causing the computer to slow down sounds like pure crap to me. Sounds like the work of someone who tried to get a pirated copy of Vista and failed and instead of putting their hands in their pockets have instead just decided to boycot the operating system to spite microsoft. I know there are quite a few people out there who are annoyed at microsoft for trying to protect the intellectual property rights with WGA and think its unfair that they cannot ****** this OS. Vista like any operating system has bugs, but they will be fixed, the price maybe be steep but what else can you expect from microsoft?
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Hynesy
Acually, I refused an update from MCE2005 to Vista Home Premium. I have 2 copies (OEM) they have COAs and are registered as is my MCE. I never throw away any receipts. Don't imply or accuse me of having cracked programs. I have Microsoft do to that for you.
I just see that they are trying to make DRM a global standard so it will be impossible for 3rd party OSs to code device drivers anymore as I'm sure the graphics card manufactureres are going to have to put a lot more time coding the ONE driver, let alone another for a 3rd party OS.
And the performance hit with encryption isn't a pile of crap. As seen in that website...
Referring to the very first source listed in the Sources section shows that this is picked not from thin air but from Microsoft's own documentation:
The problem with regular AES is that it takes about 20 CPU clocks to encrypt each byte. This is OK for compressed or semi-compressed video, but for the multiple HD uncompressed case, it is too much even for a 2006 processor [referring to the fastest CPU available at the time the document was written].
Oh and also, I'm sorry for kinda hijacking the thread. I apologize for this now. Maybe I'll create a DRM thread or something. Very sorry again. I posted a quick reply about DRM because I was frustrated with MS at work today and needed to vent lol
And the performance hit with encryption isn't a pile of crap. As seen in that website...
Referring to the very first source listed in the Sources section shows that this is picked not from thin air but from Microsoft's own documentation:
The problem with regular AES is that it takes about 20 CPU clocks to encrypt each byte. This is OK for compressed or semi-compressed video, but for the multiple HD uncompressed case, it is too much even for a 2006 processor [referring to the fastest CPU available at the time the document was written].
Oh and also, I'm sorry for kinda hijacking the thread. I apologize for this now. Maybe I'll create a DRM thread or something. Very sorry again. I posted a quick reply about DRM because I was frustrated with MS at work today and needed to vent lol
captaincranky
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OK Listen...
There hasn't been a distinction made in this thread, (thus far) as to whether you (any poster) had physical problems (bugs) or philosophical differences with MS int the introduction of the new OS. So you didn't hijack this thread.
As far as the DRM issues go, I feel that a discussion of copying, cracking, and all of the rationalizations that generally evolve into "Why shouldn't it be legal to copy music, burn CDs, then give them to your friends, generally leads to no good. And the endless threads on those topics don't accomplish anything but bringing heat onto a web site, or oneself, for that matter. People will do what they want to do, join Lmewire, download illegally. But have a heart, do what you're going to do, don't endlessly try to convince me (or your self)it's a good idea. Just shut up, and do it, on your own.
But, Microsoft's implementation of DRM, is strictly in furtherance of MS's agenda, which is, IMHO, to drive everyone else out of business, while gobbling up all the rights of others they can, which if we were doing it, would cause us to be branded theives. They have an extensive legal network to spin that brand away from themselves.
If I can avoid it, I'm not going to finance their war chest. If I bought 3 copies of Vista Home Premium at retail, it would be more than $700.00. I'm not letting them make me dance to that tune. I'll keep my LEGAL copies of XP, and my money, thank you very much.
Should Adobe ever begin to write software for Linux, don't even bother to ask whether I'll be switching over, you already know the answer. This assumes that MS hasn't hijacked the rights to Linux by then. They bought Novell, and that really scared me, as it probably should you.
There hasn't been a distinction made in this thread, (thus far) as to whether you (any poster) had physical problems (bugs) or philosophical differences with MS int the introduction of the new OS. So you didn't hijack this thread.
As far as the DRM issues go, I feel that a discussion of copying, cracking, and all of the rationalizations that generally evolve into "Why shouldn't it be legal to copy music, burn CDs, then give them to your friends, generally leads to no good. And the endless threads on those topics don't accomplish anything but bringing heat onto a web site, or oneself, for that matter. People will do what they want to do, join Lmewire, download illegally. But have a heart, do what you're going to do, don't endlessly try to convince me (or your self)it's a good idea. Just shut up, and do it, on your own.
But, Microsoft's implementation of DRM, is strictly in furtherance of MS's agenda, which is, IMHO, to drive everyone else out of business, while gobbling up all the rights of others they can, which if we were doing it, would cause us to be branded theives. They have an extensive legal network to spin that brand away from themselves.
If I can avoid it, I'm not going to finance their war chest. If I bought 3 copies of Vista Home Premium at retail, it would be more than $700.00. I'm not letting them make me dance to that tune. I'll keep my LEGAL copies of XP, and my money, thank you very much.
Should Adobe ever begin to write software for Linux, don't even bother to ask whether I'll be switching over, you already know the answer. This assumes that MS hasn't hijacked the rights to Linux by then. They bought Novell, and that really scared me, as it probably should you.
SNGX1275
Posts: 10,615 +467
Pricing does suck. For $200 I can buy the Family Pack of OS X 10.5 (Leopard) and then legally (ethically? since there are no piracy checks) install that to 5 machines. I guess the counter to that is that you really need Apple hardware to run it on, but at least you can still run it on some pretty old Apple machines. Thats really not any different than buying an OEM HP or something and then wanting the latest Microsoft OS but needing to pay $350 or $260 for one licence that is very restrictive.
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