Thoughts on Vista/What is Your Problem With Vista

Well if I may add my .02 about Vista, I kinda like it so far. Been using it since last Sunday. My only gripes are software compatibility issues. Like Zune software doesnt work without patches firmware updates etc, terra term pro (telnet app) doesnt work either. But yet a game as old as SimCity 3000 works like a charm on it! "So far", it looks promising. I have seen people on other forum gripe about Vista, and some of them say they haven't even used it yet but they are complaining about it.

Battlefield 2, BF2142, hell most of my games simply wont work.

Is it Vistas fault per se? No. The games need to be updated, but the likelyhood EA will put out a patch, zero to none. But regardless my games dont work and that is a problem.

The benefit is what? A nice looking interface? Security? All things I can do on XP.

I bought it, installed it, a week of hassle and it came off. Big Mistake I know. But I am going to keep in until things get sorted out.

But enough ranting, we can debate elsewhere.

I've seen Vista, played with it, and quite frankly don't see any need to spend an outrageous amount of money to upgrade. Not to mention all the compatibility issues people are having.

Yeh, i had that same problem with the rc1, thats why i haven't even redeemed my free copy yet (bought a laptop with upgrade)

FS4 and oblivion were getting like 5-10 fps.
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SNGX the problem with my games are nothing to do with a resolution issue (that was in the link you provided)

At first BF2 would not install, got around that with some registry work, not the game simply starts up loads the splash screen and then quits.

Many people at bf2s.com which is a large scale bf2 community have heaps of problems, but no solutions.

I am not saying that this can not be fixed later, but right now, things are not going so well.

And as I said before, why does/should the average joe upgrade? What is the advantage? Hell I never had a beef with windows 2000, but I eventually was forced to upgrade, just like eventually I will have to put the disk back in for vista.

The whole feel I got from the OS was just bloated. If I want a Mac, I will buy a mac.

I heard somewhere that Vista is like the next Me.

How soon we forget... XP had problems by the truckload when it was first released. I just installed XP Pro on an HP AMD K6-350 with 128MB of RAM and a 10GB hard drive. It installed fine and even found all the odd-ball modem and video drivers.

It ran so slow, that I nixed XP in favor of Windows Me

God I hope not!!!!

I think the problem there is many people either dont want to or dont think they should have to toy around with a brand new OS to get it to work the way it should when the OS was released. Kinda like buying a new car then having to buy the wheels and tires separate just to drive the car. The compatibility issues should have been fixed prior to release.

"I heard somewhere that Vista is like the next Me"...

WinMe can be made to work pretty well, if you take your time tweaking it. The same thing goes for Vista. So in that sence, Vista is like Me

Vista is a piece of cr4p.

- Security: It has the BEST security ever. Whenever I run ANYTHING that is not signed by Microsoft it asks me whether I really want to run it, as it can be a security risk. You know, even though I'M the one who started the app, Vista thinks I shouldn't use it. And that's where it ends. I wanted to run ATITool on startup, but I couldn't. Why? Because it wasn't signed by Microsoft. And instead of at least telling me something, Vista just decided on its own that ATITool on startup was not for me. I had to disable the whole "security" on Vista just to stop the annoyance of clicking "Yes" or whatever to every single app I run and to allow myself to add my own startup apps.

- Interface: Wow. A transparent blur. One that requires pixel shader 2 to run. Great. It looks ugly, and as a reward, needs hardware that exceeds the requirements of many games. It literally LAGGED when I resized the Windows Media Player window (which has a lot of "glass"). WTF? Vista was way better off with some simple transparency.

- Performance: While I can play FEAR on XP perfectly fine on pretty high settings, Vista stuttered the whole time on all medium settings. And don't even ask about OpenGL apps... ran like cr4p. ~40FPS on a simple rotating triangle (that I wrote in GL a while ago). ~6000FPS on XP. Maybe it was just an odd coincidence, but that was REALLY f*cked. And yes, I had all drivers updated to the latest.

- BLOAT, BLOAT, BLOAT! My applications only had ~20% of my ram to run with. WTF, 1 gig isn't enough for you, ow wittle wittle wista? How about 2? 4? Ok, I'll go blow my money on 4 gigs of ram so I can satisfy you... ~40 processes on fresh install... XP - 19.

Other than having DX10 compability (which's, BTW, features can be all done with the latest OpenGL WHICH RUNS ON ALL PLATFORMS...), it's literally worse than XP in practically all aspects.

Then again, maybe it has improved since my run of RC1. But I doubt it.

Great. So what's the point of having it in the first place?

And the point of that? Aero is what Vista is all about. Turn off aero and you get an uglier, more annoying version of XP. (Yes, I'm aware there was a complete rewrite, but I see no new or better functions that actually help me...)

Yup, no problems other than horrible performance decrease vs. the same game on the same hardware on XP.

.... so... that's why XP runs fine on my cousin's 192MB (not to mention how well it runs on my 1GB), and Vista lags on my 1GB (that is a LOT faster than his, not just bigger)?

Yes, but not a beta - a release candidate. Release candidates are the closest to the thing you'll get.

Ehh, ok. I guess the typical user wouldn't be able to make a difference between crap and actual programs, so I agree with you.

I'd rather not burn DVDs from explorer if it's anything like burning CDs in XP from explorer. If it allows you to completely customize the DVD, then cool... I turn off the "Windows Help" services, waste my time. "Network Help" - "Is your network cable connected? (yes/no/not sure)"... If it actually is able to pinpoint your exact problem, then cool. Search is great, except it only looks in certain folders unless you meddle around with some settings... Not too fun... I never even used Media Center, but if it's some other kind of Microsoft "Goody", then won't need it either. Improved networking? As in...? IE7 is crap and isn't up to the web standards (there was an article somewhere, google it).

Ehh... Ok.

Problem is, most Joes out there won't have a 2/4 gig system with a hardware accelerated PS2 card to run Vista at its fullest.

Well, that's the closest I got. Surely there weren't any "major" changes.

I'm not trying to argue or anything. But at this current time, Vista is a piece of BLOATY crap. DX10 is its only big improvement, everything else can get VERY annoying to some users (me).

Windows ME is absoulte crap. It is notorious for being self-corruptive. XP on the other hand is mostly stable. Even when XP first came out it was still more stable than ME could have ever hoped to be.

Perhaps in about a year Vista will be worth taking a look.

This is true Tedster,
Windows Me is not supported by MS any longer, so the arguement is really a moot point. I will move to Vista soon on a TEST system. I don't want to mess up my work system