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Time to Dump Internet Explorer

By Per Hansson
Jun 18, 2004
  1. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,687   +334

    I have to take a little different route than what you guys have commented above, and I'll probably repeat some points above in the process.

    I have no idea why you guys like FireFox, I've tried it 3 times now (once before it had an installer, once after, and then this RC for .9) and it comes out of the box as an inferior product to Opera 7.23 and Opera 7.5. First it looks better stock, second it has functions that can be added or removed to toolbars that Firefox requires extensions for, third it does all the stuff google toolbar does built in, and I could continue.

    Also I recently started to use its IRC capabilities (in 7.5) its not near as good as mIRC or even X-Chat but it does its job and once again does it in tabs saving screen space, I don't know how you guys running windows can have your taskbar on the bottom of your screen anyway but thats a whole new debate.

    I guess the only reason that I can think of for using firefox over Opera is the banner ad included in Opera if you don't have a registered version. If thats it well then I guess its at least an excuse...
     
  2. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    I have atleast 50 windows open, and still would rather have that then tabs..

    And the whole spyware/adware thing is not a big deal at all, you just gotta be smart and stay away from the stuff.
     
  3. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    Note: Most people probably don't realize you can minimize MIRC to the system tray by holding shift and clicking the minimize button. This is also true for other applications which support it. I know that isn't a big deal but I thought I would mention that since were in the subject of "taking up taskbar space".
     
  4. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 TS Rookie Posts: 6,504   +6

    Probably due to lazy web development, a lot of sites look crappy in anything but IE because IE is all they are tested in.
     
  5. Didou

    Didou Bowtie extraordinair! Posts: 5,899

    Well I for one wouldn't have gotten that "talking lady ad" this morning if I wasn't using Avant ( IE front-end ).:dead:

    & BTW surfing pRon sites isn't the only way to get Adware, in fact you get adware more often when you install programs that come bundled with it ( DivX Pro anyone ? ). But still, just by surfing, IE is more likely to get adware installed ( sometimes without even asking you ) then with Opera/Firefox/Lynx.;)

    I always run AdAware/Spybot after installing programs, not after surfing sessions.
     
  6. DigitAlex

    DigitAlex TechSpot Paladin Posts: 583

    I'd like to say that LYNX OWNZ ALL YOUR BASE :D :D

    And most of the people do very bad web development because they don't even give a chance to that wonderful browser to display their website, losing all the geeeky audience out there :dead:

    Seriously, rename the Firefox icon and change it to the blue E and I bet your grandmother won't even notice :D
     
  7. So you've been using IE since 1996? Interesting. Because as far as I know, at that time you only had a choice of Lynx, Mosaic and Netscape (which were around version 1.1 or so afaicr).

    And there was no IE bundled with windows, nor available for download that year. But that might explain why you're so happy with it, since you must be getting the "special" IE from MS without all the problems we have to deal wtih.

    Sorry, just had to comment on that.
    Carry on using IE for all I care. As long as if you're ever going to create a website you'll at least stick to the html spec so the rest of us can use it too, and don't use the laughable FrontPage shiet!
     
  8. Mictlantecuhtli

    Mictlantecuhtli TS Evangelist Posts: 4,919   +9

    That's a bit incorrect. IE 1.0 was released in 1995.

    Internet Explorer History

    Most of the forum members should already know my opinion about IE so I won't bother discussing this.
     
  9. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    I did that to my parents computer a while back :p.
     
  10. poertner_1274

    poertner_1274 secroF laicepS topShceT Posts: 4,745

    That is what I did to my computer at home for my wife and friends, cause they had no idea what ht red O was for.
     
  11. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    I dont know Mic's .02 on IE.. and I'd like to know - Does he use it?
     
     
  12. Mictlantecuhtli

    Mictlantecuhtli TS Evangelist Posts: 4,919   +9

    No, he does not, as it's not available for Linux / BeOS.
     
  13. Yep, Didlo. I use IE6 also. Firfox is Ok. But Opera sux.
     
  14. Nic

    Nic TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,928

    Maybe you could share with us exactly what it is you don't like about Opera. Its no good saying something sux without qualifying why you believe it sux. Maybe you don't have a reason for disliking Opera, and are simply opinionated for the sake of it. :confused:
     
  15. vassil3427

    vassil3427 TS Rookie Posts: 822

    I happen to find Ie to be just fine, I wont be getting rid of it anytime soon....
     
  16. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 6,305   +52 Staff Member

    Incorrect. Browser history:
    http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/history/browsers.htm

    Windows IE
    1.0 Final Aug. 1995
    2.0 Final Nov. 1995
    3.0 Final Aug. 1996
    4.0 Final Oct. 1997
    5.0 Final Mar. 1999
    5.5 Final Jul. 2000
    6.0 Final Oct. 2001

    Macintosh IE
    2.0 Final Apr. 1996
    2.1 Final Sep. 1996
    3.0 Final Jan. 1997
    4.0 Final Jan. 1998
    4.5 Final Jan. 1999
    5.0 Final Mar. 2000

    Mosaic
    1.0 Final Nov 1993
    2.0 Final Nov. 1995
    2.1 Final Jan. 1996
    3.0 Final Jan. 1997
    Mosaic Ends

    Netscape
    1.0 Final Dec 1994
    1.1 Final Apr. 1995
    2.0 Final Mar. 1996
    3.0 Final Aug. 1996
    4.0 Final Jun. 1997
    4.5 Final Oct. 1998
    6.0 Final Nov. 2000
    7.0 Final Aug. 2002

    Opera
    2.1 Final Dec. 1996
    3.0 Final Dec. 1997
    3.5 Final Nov. 1998
    4.0 Final Jun. 2000
    5.0 Final Dec. 2000
    6.0 Final Nov. 2001
    7.0 Final Jan. 2003


    Agreed. Frontpage sucks. And everyone should adhere to HTML standards so everyone can use the web the way it was meant to be. :)
     
  17. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    Yes. This http://www.globalusaonline.com/ is what happens when you use Frontpage.

    Haha. :)
     
  18. Nic

    Nic TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,928

    acid: Isn't that the website you designed for your last employer?
     
  19. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,574

    Nope. I had created a design to replace it, but "things" hit the fan and I no longer worked there.
     
  20. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

  21. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,687   +334

    Yes, I too would like to see why Opera "sux". In my above post I asked why and gave reasons why I thought Opera was superior to firefox and IE.
     
  22. Nic

    Nic TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,928

    Nothing happened? [Shows up fine in Opera 7.5]

    Frontpage doesn't generate standard html, if you use some of its features. Microsoft really should get it's act together regarding complying with open standards. They are getting better at this with newer product lines, but they do still have a lot of work to do. Unfortunately, in the past they have been more concerned with making things powerful, simple, and easy to use for novice users, rather than sticking to standards.

    If a website looks crap, then blame the designer, not the tools.
     
  23. TS | Thomas

    TS | Thomas TS Rookie Posts: 1,327

    Been using Firefox myself now for at least 6 months. At the very least for me on my connection Firefox is noticeably faster with most webpages I view. By clicking the load only pictures for originating website option I can take loading of, say, Warp2search to 22seconds, with IE this would take over 1 minute to load (As it has to download all the ad images).
     
  24. stelex

    stelex TS Rookie

    I am web designer and one thing I hate with passion is when I see the web site that states "Best viewed with Internet Explorer" or "...with Netscape" or even worse "Best viewed with 800x600"

    What am I supposed to do when I see the one with "best viewed with NS4" ? Go quickly to netscape.com and download their browser just to see the crap on that website ?

    When I create web site it's "Best viewed with web browser" and the "computer monitor" Anything else is rubbish.

    The problem today is that MS is so big and has huge percentage of internet users so web developers don't care. Not all, but majority of lower end. And Microsoft has gone a lot it's own way ignoring the html conventions. Why ? Why the dog licks his own balls ? Exactly - because he can!

    Some people are flaming FrontPage. OK, let me put this straight, FP98 was absolute crap, total disaster. FP 2000 was ... hmmmm .... getting better, FP 2002 (xp) is pretty alright and FP2003 is fantastic. (**conditions apply)

    Conditions ? Yes, there is one thing you must do - never use FP themes and other MS specific stuff and you'll never have problems with FP (2002/2003)

    When I develop web site it is being tested on: Mozilla, IE, Opera, Firefox and Safari. If there is problem in one of those browsers - there is a problem with me.

    For day to day browsing I use Mozilla 1.6 ( since yesterday it's 1.7) I also use Firefox since version 0.8 but more like experimental.

    I totally abandoned IE use about 18 months ago. The only time I use it is when I test the web site in development.

    Mozilla is far superior browser to IE. The email client is exactly the same (superior). Someone mentioned that tabbed browsing is nightmare (!) Well, this is how I see it. When I need to find something on internet I open google and search for it. I usually get the page with heaps of links. Now, in IE, I would need to go to each of these and go back to google for the next one. Or, I would need to right click / open in new window. Then I have to click on the google one in task bar to get back so I can request the new one.

    In Mozilla, it goes this way: once I get the google result, I middle-click on each of the resulting links and the page loads in the new tab in background. So I just go click-click -click ... 20 times if needs to be, and it's all in one window in different tabs. If I need to close the tab I just middle click it and it's gone. If I need to close all tabs, I right click one tab and select "Close all other tabs"

    While for someone this might be nightmare, for me this is probably the best thing I ever experienced in web browser.

    The other thing is pop up blocking, natively built in, no extra bars, no crap whatsoever, just plainly perfect.
     
  25. Nic

    Nic TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,928

    Well said stelex, you're right on the money, and even took the time to qualify your opinion. I couldn't have said it better myself :=).
     
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