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Trouble with 160GB SATA Drive

By saik0pod
Jan 8, 2008
  1. saik0pod

    saik0pod TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 37

    I need a URL to this DiskBoot Utillity I really want to try this one out
     
  2. Samstoned

    Samstoned TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,582

  3. crawdoogie

    crawdoogie TS Rookie

    I think that the solution to this is very simple. Have you put a jumper across the 2 outer most pins on the back of the new drive? That will make it run at SATA I. Yes that is slower than SATA II but you will not notice the difference with normal everyday use. Plus it eliminates the SATA I/SATA II dilemma and helps to eliminate the possibility of a bad drive. And if it still doesn't work it has cost you nothing.

    If you really want to add SATA II then this PCI card from your post above would work:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/4-Port-Serial-A...ryZ74941QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    The other two ebay links would let you setup an external drive.

    It would help to resolve this faster if people helping you knew exactly what your setup is. Be specific on specs and what model and revision of mobo you have and the date and version of the BIOS.

    I know that you have said that the BIOS is up to date but just to be sure, what is the date and version of the BIOS?
    And you probably already know you can update your MSI BIOS online. Look at the bottom of this page for the live update link:

    http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=1&prod_no=150

    One last thing. All this info is in the manuals that came with the hardware.
    RTFM!
     
  4. saik0pod

    saik0pod TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 37

    I've read the manual and it doesnt say much. All my bios settings are correct because my 80GB sata drive is working 100%. MY bios is up to date since I do a LiveUpdate everyday (A program that came with the msi board that downloads updates for the board). This is my exact setup

    PSU: Turbo Cool 850 SSI ETX 2.0 24P
    Motherboard: MSI Neo2-P Platinum Edition 865PE
    CPU: Pentium 4 Extreme Edition Socket 478 3.4GHz
    RAM: 512 x 4 SmartTech DDR2 RAM
    HD: 1 80GB WD-WMAM9 Western Digital 7.2k SATA
    VCARD: ATi Radeon X1650 Pro 512MB DDR2 AGP 8x

    If you need more info just post and ill give it
     
  5. crawdoogie

    crawdoogie TS Rookie

    For sure now that your mobo supports only SATA I. So now you just need to connect the two outermost pins on the jumper block on the back of the drive.

    This is from Seagate manual:
    "Serial ATA drives are designed for easy installation. It is usually not necessary to set any jumpers on the drive for proper operation; however, if you connect the drive and receive a “drive not detected” error, your SATA-equipped motherboard or host adapter may use a chipset that does not support SATA speed autonegotiation. If you have a motherboard or host adapter that does not support autonegotiation:

    •Install a jumper as shown in Figure 3 below to limit the data transfer rate to 1.5 Gbits per second (and leave the drive connected to the SATA-equipped motherboard or host adapter that doesn’t support autonegotiation)
    or
    •Install a SATA host adapter that supports autonegotiation, leave the drive jumper block set to “Normal operation” (see Figure 3 below), and connect the drive to that adapter. This option has the benefit of not limiting the drive to a 1.5 Gbits/sec transfer rate."

    seagate jumpers.jpg

    Believe me you won't notice the difference between SATA I and II. 1.5 GB a second is still fast! For instance the average broadband connection downloads at 1.5 Megabytes per second! Well 1.5 Gb/sec is 1000 times faster than 1.5 Mb/sec. Your current motherboard would not benefit from having SATA II as transfer rates on the board are slower that newer boards and chipsets.
     
  6. Didou

    Didou Bowtie extraordinair! Posts: 5,899

    Please do not confuse Megabit & Megabyte.
     
  7. Cinders

    Cinders TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,313   +12

    Please do not purchase that SATA II controller card. It has a PCI-X interface and will not fit/work on your motherboard. All you should need to do is follow the example in the picture in crawdoogie's last post, and your drive should work. If you need to buy anything at all, it may be a jumper to to short the pins on the back of your drive.
     
  8. saik0pod

    saik0pod TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 37

    Alright I will try to purchase some jumpers, However the most puzzling thing that really confuses me.

    When I first plugged that 160GB sata drive into my computer, it worked 100% it was detected by Bios and Windows. The only thing I dont get is, when I partitioned the 160GB drive, it just magically stopped getting detected by the bios. That is wierd <- Thanks for the guides and tips!
     
  9. Samstoned

    Samstoned TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,582

    exactly some failed to get that
    so I don't believe it's from the jumper condition
    if it is it's a firmware error could have damaged the board on the drive
    I've installed some sata 2's on a few sata1 boards without jumper they where not 160gb only 80
    being a new drive don't waste anymore of your time RMA start fresh
    read that manual
     
  10. saik0pod

    saik0pod TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 37

    Ok so I tried the jumper thing, didn't work. However I contacted SeaGate and they agreed to replace my drive. Also the place I purchased the drive (eBay). The seller agreed to reship me another 160GB no expense to me. Looks like to me I will have 2 160GB hard drives in the next few days. Hopefully this time I will not mess it up by partitioning the drive without formatting it. Also I will stay away from Partition Magic FOREVER.
     
  11. saik0pod

    saik0pod TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 37

    Oh one more question.

    When I get my new hard drives, what do I do with it? Format it with windows XP disk manager? Basically I want the 160GB drive to act as a storage device.
     
     
  12. crawdoogie

    crawdoogie TS Rookie

    Yes I really screwed that speed comparison up didn't I? 1.5Gbits is not 1000 times 1.5 Mbytes. Its around 125 times (isn't it?) Back to basic math for me. The point I was trying to make was that upgrading an older mobo to SATA II would be pointless. Yeah that was a really bad example!
     
  13. Samstoned

    Samstoned TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,582

    yes from disk manager xp will do it, if a little slow
    just walk away from machine for awhile don't try to do anything else on the other drives
    I have used acronis more times than I can count never messed up a format or a convert
    when you get the replacement drive from seagate it will come with disc to format don't over look this
    again I can't say it enough read the MB manual about sata 1 and 2 jumpers
    and if you have more than 2 channels be careful witch you use


    good luck
    :chef:
     
  14. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,823   +922

    Ummmmm........

    150 MBS = 1.5Gbs the SATA 1 transfer speed. I'm gonna call it a hundred times for want of a better explanation. 1.5 goes into a hundred and fifty how many times? Capital "B" = Byte, lower case "b" = bit. I'm sorry, that's just rubbing it in isn't it?

    Incidentally, your signature quote is the funniest thing I've heard in a week and a half, or so.
     
  15. crawdoogie

    crawdoogie TS Rookie

    Hey it was late when I wrote that! Hmmm if 8 bits = 1 Byte then how come 1.5 Gb = 150 MB a factor of 10. Is it that 1 MB = 1024 bytes not a 1000 bytes? Crap I knew all this 20 years ago! That's the problem-I'm old and tired.
     
  16. saik0pod

    saik0pod TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 37

  17. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,823   +922

    Gosh Darn it, it's supposed to be confusing ...it's a computer...., Right.....?

    I think that decimal mathematics are being used to describe binary devices in this case. It makes sense to present it to us (the customer) in this way. The other alternative is the confusion of this thread.

    Still, 100 times 1 GB is a hundred Gigabytes, hard to argue with that, is it not?

    Face it, if we all understood that 4GB equals 2 to the 32nd power, then everybody would quit asking "why doesn't XP home recognize all of the 4GB of RAM I just installed". So where's the fun in that?
     
  18. saik0pod

    saik0pod TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 37

    Can anyone suggest?
     
  19. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,823   +922

    To Be Fixed..or not be Fixed....That is the question....

    I'm not exactly sure where this thread is, (as to which problems are/aren't solved), so I'm not exactly sure what to suggest.
    However, to use a SATA drive as volume storage, just set the BIOS to "Configure SATA as IDE". XP will configure it as a volume automatically. As to the DVD drive I don't know if that will operate as IDE. The PCI to SATA card is a natty issue, since opinions on that type of card are like lightning and never really strike twice in the same place. I've wimped out on the issue, as I don't use RAID, just run as IDE and operate the extra drives as volumes. Every drive I've stuffed in has worked this way. The only problem I had was when I tried to Install Windows with all the drives connected. The BIOS "auto-configured" itself to SATA RAID. I simply disconnected the extra drives, restarted the PC, and plugged the extra drive in after the OS install. Perfect.

    If I think I may have something that might be hampering the computer from recognizing the drive, (IE, MBR or bad format, or bad partition) I use a drive scrubbing program to bring the drive back to "out of the box" condition, and start over.

    You really needed a suggestion before this, and I would have said; "don't buy a SATA optical drive". A DVD burner can't possibly transfer anywhere near as much information as the SATA interface can transmit. Plus, what do you do with the perfectly good IDE controllers on your mobo?

    E-Bay, "shop victoriously"!
     
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