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Upgrading system. Your advice please :o)

By Nazobyte
Aug 24, 2002
  1. JAV

    JAV TS Rookie Posts: 264

    Nazobyte,

    Yes, ocing to get a little more. There's a few software programs that are pretty safe to use & get an avg of 9% oc on the CPU. There are also vid card oc'ers for the card. There's specs on the web for how much each card can take.

    Patience is a virtue & taking a class & waiting to build (while prices drop) is a good idea, IMO. :grinthumb

    As for cases: big is my plan. I'm not talking server size, but at least a mid-tower to fit a nice ATX/5PCI slot board. 350watt PSU is the minimum I'll consider. I also definately want a front mounted intake fan & the more fans the case can hold, the better. Heat = resistance = early failure. Even w/o ocing, I want cool temps for longevity. ;)

    Lemme know if you want to tweek a little higher & by all means keep us informed of the knowledge you gain in class. :cool:
     
  2. Nazobyte

    Nazobyte TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 36

    Im interested in overclocking but have never been brave enough to give it a go. Is it a bit risky? Wont i need to get another fan to go in the machine first? Do i do it via the mobo or can i simply do it via the BIOS?

    As for my systems case, i think it is a mid tower, ive attached a picture of it for you to see, which i found on google.

    Ive run the 'Intel AppAccelorator', with which i found my HDD Transfer mode is UDMA-4.

    As for the building thing im gonna do at college, i will indeed keep you informed of the knowledge i gain, and thanks for all your help and input so far, i really appreciate it ;) :)
     

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  3. Greeno

    Greeno TS Rookie Posts: 394

    That look Micro ATX to anyone else ? :]


    ur changing this anyway right ?

    and UDMA-4 is ATA66 right ? :)
     
  4. Mictlantecuhtli

    Mictlantecuhtli TS Evangelist Posts: 4,916   +9

    Yeah, that case looks quite small. Not much room for the future (or cooling).
    ATA-4 is UltraDMA/33. ATA-5 is UltraDMA/66.
     
  5. Greeno

    Greeno TS Rookie Posts: 394

    u sure ? :]

    UDMA 5 = ATA100
    UDMA6 = ATA133 ?

    what I thought, so therefore , 4's 66 ?
     
  6. Greeno

    Greeno TS Rookie Posts: 394

    I hope this isn't considered advertising or anythin' :D


    http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=67

    IDE Hardware connects at various speeds, today including transfer rates from PIO mode 4, UDMA mode 2 (ATA33), to UDMA mode 4 (ATA66) and UDMA mode 5 (ATA100).
     
  7. Nazobyte

    Nazobyte TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 36

    I checked this out in Intel Application Accellorator and this is the only thing i found that points to what your asking:

    Device type: ATA Fixed
    Base Clock: Ultra DMA 66

    It is a Maxtor 6L040J2 btw, and ive attached a screeny of full spec if your really that interested ;)
    I thought that the only spec seperating types of plain old hard-drives was the rpm speed, guess ill have to brush up on this :D

    Ok sounds like i'll need a new and bigger case then :)
     

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  8. Greeno

    Greeno TS Rookie Posts: 394

    Hehe :)

    U using WinMe ? ;)

    If so that's another upgrade i'd make :D

    2k baby!!
     
  9. Mictlantecuhtli

    Mictlantecuhtli TS Evangelist Posts: 4,916   +9

  10. Nazobyte

    Nazobyte TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 36

    Using ME

    Yeh im using ME, but im quite happy with it. I have to admit to being an ME fan :D , but then ive tried no alternative OS before. I have access to a copy of XP, i ran a compatibility test for it and i wasnt impressed with the ammount of stuff on my hard-drive that it wont support. I also play alot of older games and ME has always been stable for me, so i dont think ill change ;)
     
  11. JAV

    JAV TS Rookie Posts: 264

    ARRGH! I hate that! I typed out a whole page & upon submission it said too many smilies, go back & fix it. Went back & the page is blank! :punch:

    We can safely software oc the i810e board. You'll need CPUCool: www.podien.de

    If you'll dl that & install it: click on "Configure" & select Intel & i810e & it will generate a PLL (ICS) & a PLL #. I need that # (9250-16B or D ???). If you happen to try adjusting it & the comp locks, don't panic! Simply unplug for ~30secs & upon reboot your stock settings will be restored.

    I explained some other things & if you'll wait to adjust: I'll be back after I get over being pissed about losing that big, long, detailed post. :mad:

    Too many smilies. <grrr> :dead:
     
     
  12. Nazobyte

    Nazobyte TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 36

    Ok mate, sorry to hear about your long post dissapearing, :hotbounce I hate it when that happens too!! :hotbounce

    Well back on topic anyways. Ive downloaded that proggy you gave me the link for. I've still got a little trepidation over doing this, whats the chances of success or potential problems? Can you give me some assurance that this is relatively simple and safe? :D

    I opened the program and immediately saw the options to select manufacturer and mobo type; it listed Intel under manufacturer, but not i810e under model?, allthough i saw CA810E? Is this same thing?.
     
  13. JAV

    JAV TS Rookie Posts: 264

    I'm over it now. :blush:

    I've been using CPUCool for ~2yrs. I've messed up & chosen the wrong PLL, experimenting. The nice thing about it is that if the wrong PLL is selected: it either won't work (nothing happens) or it will try & the comp will freeze (lock).

    I've prolly 'froze' 10-12 times in 2yrs. All I had to do was unplug the comp, wait ~30sec & reboot. It reboots to stock settings because it wasn't 'saved'. It hasn't adversely affected my comp at all, either.

    I've been running a 9-10% oc w/it for that ~2yrs. I have put a case fan in the side of my comp., but I never had a fan on the CPU. Still don't! I'd suggest opening the case, making sure the CPU fan is running (good idea anyway) & get a 80-90mm case fan to blow fresh air into the case.

    I understand the trepidation, but a ~10% oc on an Intel won't create high temps & really is a mild oc. Kinda like putting a performance chip in a car to gain 10% more HP: you'll feel the difference, but it won't cause the engine to blow-up. ;)

    Yes the CA810E. :D

    JAV
    GBA!
     
  14. Nazobyte

    Nazobyte TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 36

    Ok lets go for it

    Well sod the fan then :D Lets do it...

    Ive confirmed the mainboard type in CPU:cool: and agreed that the choices were correct when prompted for confirmation, so i guess i have this ppl created somewhere now? Not much seemed to happen? What is a ppl anyway and where do i find it? Is it a registry file of some type? I guess you are intending to tell me this next step now ive done this?
     
  15. JAV

    JAV TS Rookie Posts: 264

    Good we're here together!

    Open CPUCool & & under "Functions" click on "Change front side bus / change cpu speed".

    When that opens: What is the PLL (under PLL type) it shows? What is the FSB, PCI & RAM speeds in "Frequency to set"?

    PLL stands for Phase Lock Loop & it is a function of the chipset. I'm not real sure how it works, but I've gathered it affects the speed the signal (data) is transfered. It is also used in radios & TV's to internally boost poor reception.
     
  16. Nazobyte

    Nazobyte TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 36

    PLL Type = 9250-16A

    FSB Frequency = 66.7Mhz

    PCI Frequency = 33.3Mhz

    Was unsure where to spot ram frequency but ive attached a screenshot for you to see everything :)
     

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  17. JAV

    JAV TS Rookie Posts: 264

    Cool! :grinthumb

    If you do the math (787mhz / 7.5 multiplier) you'll see that your FSB is at 105 now. It *IS* oc'd already! Hmm.

    Click on the up arrow next to the 9250-16A PLL & set the PLL to 9250-16B. You'll see the first setting is 100FSB (that is stock) the next is 105 (where you are) & the next is 109 then 112 (in the 'trays').

    Once you have it on 9250-16B, click the up arrow in the box next to 'set frequency' 'til you are on 109FSB & 36.3 PCI. Then click on 'set frequency' & a warning box will pop up. Say yes & do it.

    It *should* take & you'll be @ 817.5mhz for a 30mhz gain. :cool: In the "Set FSB at startup" tray, up arrow 'til the 109 is in there & that is what you'll be @ on every startup. :D

    You can try 112FSB (840mhz) but it might cause PCI (sound/modem) problems @ 37.5mhz.

    If for some reason the 9250-16B won't 'take', lemme know & I'll look for another PLL w/100FSB (in the 1st tray setting) to try.

    HTH,
     
  18. Nazobyte

    Nazobyte TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 36

    No Joy

    Hmm OC'ed already, hehe, mighty strange :confused: Well at least it wasnt advertised at 787Mhz, supposed to be 750, but i wont complain, hehe.

    Well i tried your procedure twice with no joy so far (rebooting between try's). Im still at 787, so i guess ill take you up on that other pll if you dont mind hunting it down for me :D
    I really didnt think overclocking was this simple! :) I thought it had to be done through the BIOS and via switches on the mobo :D , im quite naive about all this, but im willing to learn :grinthumb .

    Ill give it another go if you find that other pll then, thanks for your efforts again JAV ;)
     
  19. JAV

    JAV TS Rookie Posts: 264

    *EDIT*
    Open it on the 9250-16A & click on "Get Frequency" & see if it generates a different PLL. If it does & that PLL offers a 105-112FSB, try it. :)


    Going into BIOS can be scary. This is rather simple (& safe) isn't it! :cool:

    Try the 9250-10B @ 106, 109 & maybe 112. Then 9250-26B, same.

    Try the 950208 @ 108. It might take.

    I'm looking @ PLL's that start @ 66 & offer a 100-114 option & those that start @ 100 but don't go over 133.

    I'm glad you're comfortable w/this. It really isn't that scary after a few 'locks' & safe reboots, now is it. :grinthumb

    It would be nice if you could find out how they oc'd it in the beginning. ;)

    My pleasure helping,
     
  20. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,571   +103

    Well Nazobyte, you are correct. The first boards that supported any sort of user friendly overclocking did involve dip switches on the motherboard to allow the user to select the fsb and clock multiplier settings. Nowadays if your processor isn't locked to a multiplier you can usually find settings in the BIOS for adjusts settings for overclocking. Good luck with the PLL overclocking method.... ;)
     
  21. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 6,305   +52 Staff Member

    Bah.. Dip switches are for newbies... Now jumpers.. That's where it is at. :)


    :dead:
     
  22. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,571   +103

    Before I upgrade I will be seriously considering trying to solder on dip switches to my A7M266 to allow selection of clock multiplier. There is a big section of solder points for such a mod. I'm sure I have seen a document about it. I would also then have to unlock my Athlon 1.4Ghz.... Or maybe I'll just leave it and opt for the simple upgrade in another few months... ;)
     
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