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US government to NASA: Get humans to Mars by 2033

By William Gayde · 55 replies
Mar 11, 2017
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  1. Igrecman

    Igrecman TS Addict Posts: 179   +97

    @3volv3d
    I had some doubts too, especially about the rushed Apollo 11 that made it just in time to honor JFK's order. On top of that you had the worst crook as president (Nixon). But a few pictures from some recent probes (LRO) have shown the stuff left on the surface and the tracks made by the rover. Hence if the pictures are authentic, it would be the best proof yet. If not, the truth would be revealed soon as more and more countries will be able to send probes there.
    http://spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=34522
     
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2017
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  2. JaredTheDragon

    JaredTheDragon TS Member Posts: 55   +11

    Further proof that money has nothing to do with real advancement. NASA has had this mandate the entire time, and they've failed to do anything of note with many billions of dollars already spent.

    No, there's no "halfway point" in orbital dynamics. No, orbital dynamics aren't free from mechanics other than gravity. You still have relativity, velocity, acceleration, and most importantly charge to deal with. You can't just fly out to Mars - because Mars won't be there when you get there. Look up Hohmann transfers. Or try Kerbal Space Program if you'd like to do these maneuvers yourself. Our current tech is nowhere near ready - because they're still stuck using fake physics and garbage relativity calculations held over from years of failed theory.
     
  3. Reachable

    Reachable TS Enthusiast Posts: 77   +14

    The space mentality is the same as the military mentality -- living in a fantasy world, dependent on paranoia, running on lies and rationalizations. Everybody knows that any human traveler to Mars is sentenced to premature death and insanity. There is no known way to make the two year trip acceptably safe. It's unbelievably cruel. It's not going to happen. Repeat -- it's not going to happen. But in the meantime it will give the Republicans another way to exploit ignorant patriotism and childish geekism.
     
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  4. jmjsquared

    jmjsquared TS Booster Posts: 145

    Heck! We coulda/shoulda been there more than a quarter century ago. But, while visions of 'Dune' dance in your decadent heads, don't forget that, before, during and after the Apollo Program, we proud Americans gave you and the Earth 20+ years worth of killing Vietnamese, Kuwait-invading Iraqis, a few hundred-thousand more no-WMD-having Iraqis, all the while favoring this non-warming Globe with non-floating $2Billion Zumwalt Navy destroyers and $Eleventeen-Billion Air-Force/Navy/Army/Marine F-35s.

    And, *STILL*, you silly, effete, ungrateful Dreamers want us to spend $19B to go to Mars??? Why, that would leave President Tramp barely $35 Billion to build walls and bombs and internment hotels to protect us!

    Smoke your Spice and dream on.
     
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  5. LenovoX

    LenovoX TS Rookie Posts: 22

    Kilroy was there, first!
     
  6. commanderasus

    commanderasus TS Booster Posts: 104   +35

    We can't wait that long to get Trump off the planet. Just hook a rocket to his tweeting phone and one press of the button and he will be gone for good.
     
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  7. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 1,347   +418

    Actually, beyond the sarcasm, his point is valid. There is no magnetosphere on Mars. It sounds like you do not know that the Earth's magnetosphere is responsible for deflecting solar wind, you know, like the stuff that comes out of your butt, and that deflection prevents the wind from eroding the Earth's atmosphere. It is theorized that a primary reason Mars has little atmosphere is because it lacks a magnetosphere and thus, the solar wind eroded Mars' atmosphere long ago - making attempts at terraforming Mars a battle against the solar wind.

    Actually, I hear it is from repealing social security and medicare that is being secretly written into Trumped Up Could Care Less about Health Care without public knowledge by Paul Lier. :oops: LOL
     
  8. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 1,347   +418

    At least someone on the planet actually REALLY knows how to "Tell it like it is." Trump "selling it like it is" ain't got sh!t on this guy telling it like it is.
     
  9. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 1,347   +418

    If NASA uses the ion drives they have in their tool kit, my understanding is that it could be brought down to 45-days.
     
  10. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 1,347   +418

    Hail to the great dog Google. If it is on Google it must be true. Hail Google!

    After we landed on the Moon in the late 60's and early 70's, public interest waned, thus space program funding waned even though many things that developed for the space program are in common use today. Since then, we have Republicans disavowing science with every chance they get in favor of their hot air for the day. It is no wonder the space program has suffered since the Apollo program.

    I am willing to bet that you have no interest in educating yourself on the matter, however, if your curiosity should get the best of you, see if you can find the documentary series "Moon Machines". Perhaps you might gain an appreciation for all the seat-of-the-pants engineering that went into the Apollo program.
     
  11. Igrecman

    Igrecman TS Addict Posts: 179   +97

    The lack of a magnetoshpere wouldn't make living in underground bases impossible. There could still be a human colony there in the future, able to explore the surface just as well as the astronauts did on the moon. Surely the mining industry might find this appealing. Same for the moon. I heard that Helium3 that the Moon is full of, could be the gold mine of the future because it would make nuclear fusion very easy to achieve.
     
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  12. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 1,347   +418

    No, it would not. But as here on Earth, digging underground tunnels is something that is not easy to do.

    However, some recent research points to the lack of a magnetosphere not having as much of an impact as once thought. When reduced to practice, the result may not be consistent with the research; that, however, is one aspect of science. One day, something is demonstrated in the lab, the next day, we learn more from further research and find that what is really happening is not what previous evidence indicated.

    I am all in favor of enhancing the space program. It gets humanity interested in things other than killing each other.
     
  13. Igrecman

    Igrecman TS Addict Posts: 179   +97

    Digging only with shovels on Mars would be much easier if the spacesuit is not too bulky because the gravity there in 1/3 that of the Earth. I bet a team of several astronauts could dig a very big hole (to bury their lander in) in just one day, unless there's too much rock. At every mission they'd join the landers together. They could also start now to look for a cave to use as a starting point for a future base. If there once was water on Mars, there must be lots of caves left over.
    The reason why they should not be permanently on the surface is because of the direct X-Rays coming from the Sun when solar flares occur, and the Gamma Rays coming from everywhere. One would die of cancer in less than a year.
     
  14. IAMTHESTIG

    IAMTHESTIG TS Evangelist Posts: 1,105   +356

    That was all sounding very impressive until you used the word 'hear' instead of here in your last paragraph. *Poof*. And it's gone...
     
  15. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,174   +2,144

    Well, the thing is, if Trump screws up healthcare and social security too badly, 4 years from now, we'll have a Democratic president, who's first order of business will be, "to repeal and replace "Trump-Care"...:oops:
     
  16. Joe Blow

    Joe Blow TS Enthusiast Posts: 26   +13

    There's a slight problem here. The entire Moon landing [part] was a studio fabrication. Did the Apollo rocket launch? Yes. Did the astronauts orbit the Earth? Yes, likely. Did they land on the Moon? There's no supporting evidence. Why is that? It wasn't technically feasible. It wasn't then and it still isn't now. We still haven't conquered how to survive the radiation and transport enough fuel.

    So... if we couldn't get on the Moon, and still can't, what's supposed to make us think we'll even make it to Mars?

    I'm looking forward to the CGI creation of humans landing on Mars. That's about the only way it's going to happen.
     
  17. Igrecman

    Igrecman TS Addict Posts: 179   +97

    So you say the pictures on this site are Photoshoped?
    http://spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=34522
     
  18. Joe Blow

    Joe Blow TS Enthusiast Posts: 26   +13

    It's entirely possible, they could be altered images. They doctored other images. When a person is a known liar, everything they say is subject to being scrutinized as a lie. The NASA missions during the late 1960's and early '70's were constructed largely as a distraction away from the Vietnam War. Something to fabricate a sense of national pride as our flag was being drug through the mud during an unpopular conflict.

    Aside from that, when you dig into the details, NASA doesn't have solid proof of what it accomplished and how they accomplished it. They intentionally lost and destroyed records so the Apollo missions couldn't be nitpicked. Versus get into an argument here, I'd suggest to research the cover up and intent to deceive. You'll find that space aeronautics still have yet to develop the technology sufficient to deal with radiation at a distance from Earth equal to the orbit of the Moon. Also, the fuel carried by the Apollo design wasn't enough to get the Moon and back. That means, even if humanoid robots were sent to mitigate the radiation risk, given the propulsion technology of the time, it would have been a one way trip.

    You have to get past the propaganda and brochure salesmanship of the Apollo missions. Look at the commonsense side. Not enough fuel. No radiation protection.

    Another note. The video transmission was bunk. Low gravity doesn't mean you move more slowly. What people saw on their television screens can from an television camera aimed at a NASA video projector/screen. NASA video technology wasn't compatible with television systems of the time. Therefore, they had to film the film. For effect, the projected film was slowed down. This gave the effect of astronauts moving more slowly. There are so many points. What you see though is a bunch of excuses coming from liars who were B.S.ing not only America public but also the world and more importantly, the Russians.
     
  19. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,174   +2,144

    Isn't there some sort of conspiracy theory website you could have joined and spared us this nonsense?

    Or was it just too overwhelming a fairy tale that you simply couldn't help yourself from over-sharing it?
     
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  20. Igrecman

    Igrecman TS Addict Posts: 179   +97

  21. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,174   +2,144

  22. Joe Blow

    Joe Blow TS Enthusiast Posts: 26   +13

    You mean this website isn't for the tinfoil hat crowd? You know something is suspicious when people have been programmed to have an emotional response.
     
  23. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,174   +2,144

    Only those of us who have moved to Windows 10 have need of those tinfoil hats. They're needed to prevent M$ from stealing our most intimate thoughts. It all starts innocently enough, with sweet nothings murmured to Cordoba. The next thing you know,, M$ is spamming you with ads from local florists and Victoria's Secret. After that, your webcam is turned on as you try to live out your Cordoba fantasies with rather pedestrian porn. If you have a touch screen, Cordoba begins scolding you for any random bodily fluids which land on the screen, claiming she's being "sexually harassed".

    Oh well, enough of that, here's a trailer for your space hoax delusions....

     
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2017
  24. Ezzxe2

    Ezzxe2 TS Rookie

    Colonising Mars? Yes, potatoes! in late 1970's, my Norwegian friend lived on the high ground above a fjiord. His garden was 50 metres long, to the border of the cliff. A third were vegetables he claimed the hard rocks he had planted with potatoes, and after three years, were able to grow other vegetables there. His intention was to reclaim all the 50 metres. So yes, potatoes for Mars- maybe geneticists could implant a few proteins in them?
     
  25. skribat

    skribat TS Rookie

    "It includes ever expanding stages of space travel starting with low-Earth orbit" why bother when they supposedly went to the moon many times .. pleased to see that at least one person on here is awake. .. obviously another attempt to separate the people from their hard earned tax dollars.
     

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