US urges global coalition against China's tech cybertheft "playbook"

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What just happened? Not for the first time, a US official has accused China of stealing intellectual property to gain an advantage in key technologies such as artificial intelligence and cloud computing. Nathaniel Fick, ambassador at large for Cyberspace and Digital Policy, said the US and other countries should form a coalition to stop China's cybertheft.

Fick said that China executed a deliberate strategy of IP theft and government subsidies decades ago after noticing the global advantage in telecoms that big companies gave democratic nations. China, of course, denies any wrongdoing.

"I don't think we appreciated or acted on the reality that these technologies were going to be central to our geopolitical standing," Fick said during an event hosted by think tank Hudson Institute (via The Reg).

Fick added that stealing core intellectual property allowed China to start building the next generation wireless networks and subsidize Huawei and ZTE around the world to do deals at less competitive terms. He called China's actions a "playbook."

"If we allow the Chinese to run it again, they'll run it in cloud computing, they'll run it in AI, they'll run it in every core strategic technology area," he said. "We need to be very clear-eyed now about not letting that happen."

Fick's solution is the creation of a coalition of like-minded nations, including "hedging states in the middle," to collaborate on technology to stop China from surging ahead. The ambassador never said if the US would make a formal request to create this group of governments.

Fick suggested that plenty of other countries feel the same way, with nations starting to see national security and economic consequences from relying on untrusted networks. "They are looking for a way out," he said. "It feels like the wind is shifting a little bit."

Fick also talked about the risks of AI during his speech, warning of the near-term dangers of disinformation and misinformation, particularly when it comes to politics. He noted that the difficulty in telling what content is real and what is fake could have a huge impact during the upcoming US political campaign season.

"The most dangerous course of action is the application of these technologies in lethal terms – so autonomous weapons biotechnology, to some extent cyber security, and the applications of AI to do really nefarious things using kind of existing lethal stuff," he added.

Ficks' warning comes as the EU considers banning Huawei and ZTE equipment from its 5G infrastructure. Only a third of EU nations have banned Huawei from their 5G communications networks, despite recommendations from the EU Commission for certification requirements, diversification of suppliers, and not to use high-risk companies for critical parts of the infrastructure. The Commission never brought in an outright ban on Huawei or ZTE, but one could be on its way.

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Yeah, the problem with Fick's claim is that other countries are not naive, to believe him without solid proofs, nor to rally with US on this.
Last time when US "convinced" other countries to rally with US, was when US lied that Irak has weapons of mass destruction to invade Irak. And after 20 years the rest of the world found out the hard way how US lied just to invade Irak to steal it's oil.
And some US officials even incriminate themselves of war crimes.
 
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Yeah, the problem with Fick's claim is that other countries are not naive, to believe him without solid proofs, nor to rally with US on this.
Last time when US "convinced" other countries to rally with US, was when US lied that Irak has weapons of mass destruction to invade Irak. And after 20 years the rest of the world found out the hard way how US lied just to invade Irak to steal it's oil.
damn I didnt know that

wish id go back to the olden times

have shitty ***, pissy streets and get beheaded for yelling at the king
 
Yeah, the problem with Fick's claim is that other countries are not naive, to believe him without solid proofs, nor to rally with US on this.
While I agree US is getting too crazy on China, we have a mad number of proven and extremely visible cases of technological theft by China. It is just difficult to put a response in place, because China do not care...
https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/12/f...ing-data-to-build-copycat-chip-plant-in-china
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64206950

Technology is stolen and send 'somewhere', people who did stole it are identified and often arrested - or they made it to the plane and landed in China already, but what do you expect to do? 'Hi, China, terabytes of our data has been send to your server, could you please delete that?'
Or maybe follow Chinese Uighur sample, and put all people with Chinese ethnicity to 'reeducational' camps in US?
 
Is it really theft when we gave them everything they needed plus all the plans so they can make cheap stuff for us? its like leaving a child in a room filled with candy then losing your s**t when they start eating it.

its also funny how we always say the "bad guys" will use whatever it is were pointing at in lethal ways when our whole identity is weapons, we hold guns in such high esteem that we pretty much sacrifice a child a day to em and call it normal.

we need help alright, f**kin therapy, and lots of it.
 
Yeah, the problem with Fick's claim is that other countries are not naive, to believe him without solid proofs, nor to rally with US on this.
Last time when US "convinced" other countries to rally with US, was when US lied that Irak has weapons of mass destruction to invade Irak. And after 20 years the rest of the world found out the hard way how US lied just to invade Irak to steal it's oil.
I am sure there were some of us in the US that knew that the US was lying at that time. Unfortunately, there was nothing that could be done. Bush had been elected and we had to live with him for 8-years since he was re-elected. Personally, I did not vote for Bush. I knew that he'd get the US into a war.

IMO, the concern with China is justified, but the US, and US based companies, got themselves into it. Pursuit of the almighty dollar seems more important than other things. Unfortunately, those who negotiated the deal that started it all and the companies that went along with it were unable to see that the whole deal was a Trojan Horse.

IMO, figuring out how to get out of it is going to be a challenge.
 
I am sure there were some of us in the US that knew that the US was lying at that time. Unfortunately, there was nothing that could be done. Bush had been elected and we had to live with him for 8-years since he was re-elected. Personally, I did not vote for Bush. I knew that he'd get the US into a war.

IMO, the concern with China is justified, but the US, and US based companies, got themselves into it. Pursuit of the almighty dollar seems more important than other things. Unfortunately, those who negotiated the deal that started it all and the companies that went along with it were unable to see that the whole deal was a Trojan Horse.

IMO, figuring out how to get out of it is going to be a challenge.
There are many Americans, and others too, who protested and exposed US war invasion covered in lies in Irak, Afghanistan and many other wrongdoings. Eduard Snowden is a hero for the entire world, except for a part of US govern, NSA, FBI and CIA. Julian Asange, even today, is illegally detained by US, just because he did his job as a genuine journalist. US is asking for democracy and human rights, but only for US corporations benefit. For simple citizens like Eduard Snowden, or the citizens from the rest of the world, those are empty words from US govern.
IP theft is a plague for the entire world. Many countries are spying and stealing IP and inventions. USA is concerned that China become better than US?
Techspot published an article, few weeks ago, where an american scientist warned that China inovated and trademarked more inventions than US in the last years. If China is innovating more than US is hard to believe that only China is stealing IP while US not.
 
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There are many Americans, and others too, who protested and exposed US war invasion covered in lies in Irak, Afghanistan and many other wrongdoings. Eduard Snowden is a hero for the entire world, except for a part of US govern, NSA, FBI and CIA. Julian Asange, even today, is illegally detained by US, just because he did his job as a genuine journalist. US is asking for democracy and human rights, but only for US corporations benefit. For simple citizens like Eduard Snowden, or the citizens from the rest of the world, those are empty words from US govern.
IP theft is a plague for the entire world. Many countries are spying and stealing IP and inventions. USA is concerned that China become better than US?
Techspot published an article, few weeks ago, where an american scientist warned that China inovated and trademarked more inventions than US in the last years. If China is innovating more than US is hard to believe that only China is stealing IP while US not.
haha yea even us, the french who fought for more than a fcking millenia against everybody, many times alone, and kicked the more @sses in the whole history where mocked because we knew it was a lot of BS ... look in the internet... that cr@p is still active, and in the end ... we were right...
 
"US urges global coalition against China's tech cybertheft "playbook""

Nonsense...! Even it it is true, welcome to the party...I US and all ex EU colonial giants have been doing the same thing for decades if not centuries...!
 
"US urges global coalition against China's tech cybertheft "playbook""

Nonsense...! Even it it is true, welcome to the party...I US and all ex EU colonial giants have been doing the same thing for decades if not centuries...!
So when a Chinese company makes an EXACT copy of a BMW SUV, and BMW cannot say anything due to wanting to participate in that market, welcome to the club? Nonsense indeed.
 
Why pick a fight with one nuclear superpower when you can provoke two at the same time?
Nobody provoked Russia if you meant Russia.
In fact, the only fault western world did was to not intervene with Russia in 2008 when Georgia lost huge pieces of land to Russia. It helped Putin understand that he can rebuild an ugly clone of USSR and nobody would stop him. And if someone tried, he would just play another badly made video of his rockets hitting Florida.
When a dictator invades another country, it is not that country's problem, it is everybody's problem.
2 world wars should have taught us. I can say with confidence, those that oppose helping Ukraine do not read history books. He does not want just Ukraine; he wants his ugly new empire with Moldova Kazakhstan and Baltic countries.
 
Lol was just rewatching Generation Kill this week. Some valid points but with the cut off of chip manufacturing equipment to China and the time it will take them to replicate the entire capabilites of that supply chain they won't be very relevant in AI or Cloud. Best estimates say China will take 6-12 years to develop domestic chip production until then they are stuck on 14nm and larger. Only other major play the West has left is cutting them off from western schools, this will cripple there science and engineering domestically over time.
 
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