Using windows on new computer

By twite
Aug 10, 2006
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  1. Tedster

    Tedster Techspot old timer..... Posts: 10,067   +13

    that's called business. There's nothing wrong with making a profit. It's what makes the world go 'round and pays your salary and many other benefits. Sure capitalism has its drawbacks, but it's the best system the world has to offer. Microsoft is entitled to make money like any other business.

    I don't think your alternative (stealing) is better.
  2. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,083

    Since when has this been my alternative?
  3. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    Sorry Tedster, but Twite has a point. I didn't see that implied either.
  4. alidabiri

    alidabiri Newcomer, in training Posts: 540

    this is the partial text of EULA from c:\windows\system32 folder:

    That was a lot of text pasted there. I hope you don't mind my having uploaded it as a txt attachment - Spike
  5. Nodsu

    Nodsu Newcomer, in training Posts: 9,431

    This is your box product license. Compare with the attached OEM XP Professional EULA.
  6. alidabiri

    alidabiri Newcomer, in training Posts: 540

    NO, that IS the oem eula. i just printed it out of hp machine at work. i was preloaded and purchased that way.
  7. Nodsu

    Nodsu Newcomer, in training Posts: 9,431

    No, it is not the OEM EULA.. Maybe it is a volume license? Did that HP have a COA sticker on it? What is written on that sticker? And of course, whoever supplied that HP may have made a "mistake". And of course, Windows may have been reinstalled on that machine too, using any Windows CD that was available.

    The EULA I posted is from an XP installation from a manufacturer-provided CD and the COA sticker on the machine (originally came with Windows preinstalled).
  8. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    The EULA Nodsu has posted is most definitely the correct one. It IS the WinXP OEM EULA without any doubt, and it ties in exactly with what MS are officially saying on their site.

    Nodsu is absolutely 100% correct (as per usual :) ).
  9. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,083

    Ok..well im ordering parts for a new computer, and windows xp..so how would i put my old hard drive in my new computer? Do i have to format it first, or can i boot with that hard drive and then install windows?
  10. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    Put the old HD in the new computer, and boot from your XP CD or the setup floppies provided by MS. From there you will be able to delete any partitions on the disk if you so wish.
  11. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,083

    well, i dont wish to delete my files if i dont have to.. can i just delete the windows partion and then reinstall windows
  12. Nodsu

    Nodsu Newcomer, in training Posts: 9,431

    Yes, you can delete of format only the Windows partition too.
  13. alidabiri

    alidabiri Newcomer, in training Posts: 540

    nodsu,
    my pc at work, is a pre-loaded hp p-4 machine. it has a hologram sticker on the side. and it's an oem sticker. and it has it's own cd that came with it. i know for a fact, that you can transfer os to another pc, if you deleted it from the original machine. this is done many times at every shop. and when the pc's are discarded through surplus property, MIS dept. erases them clean.
     
  14. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    Then they either have something special going on, have a volume license that's preinstalled on their machines, or are doing so illegally. That's one of the sorts of things that MS are failing WGA validations on. It's not allowed!

    If you would like to take your observations of the company you work for over the official line of MS and over the advice we offer here after much research then by all means do so, but please do not persist in posting incorrect information here!
  15. alidabiri

    alidabiri Newcomer, in training Posts: 540

    spike, with all due respect, i'm not posting "incorrect" information. my work place is one of the biggest clients of microsoft and hp. microsoft and hp people visit here for workshops, etc. occasionally. it's not proper, to label these observations as wholesale belief that you do. i posted what i'm seeing.
  16. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    Well that's fine, but tell me...

    Who's right? Microsoft, or a client of microsoft, when it comes to microsoft software licensing?

    Answer: Microsoft.

    With all due respect Alidabiri, you ARE posting incorrect information.

    Non-transferrable OEM licenses are EXACTLY the reason that the rules on selling OEM XP have changed so that it can only be sold pre-installed, and the installing OEM MUST use the OEM installation kit to lock the installation to the BIOS of the mainboard.
  17. alidabiri

    alidabiri Newcomer, in training Posts: 540

    just out of curiosity, where did you get this from eula that says oem xp can not be transferred?
    can you post the item number from eula so i can take a look at it, please?
    thanks!
  18. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    It's the second point in Part 1...

    Did you even look at Nodsu's attached OEM EULA?

    http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/4/4/14441b37-78ff-4b60-b726-6d91f81d3fa7/os_reqs.doc
    http://download.microsoft.com/downl...8f-414b-8052-9f2de33f3b90/G34899_PROC_WLG.PDF

    Note the part in both links (and the one I gave earlier in the thread) where MS says that "OEM licenses can not be transferred".
  19. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,083

    So, I get my parts in the mail for my new computer, including windows xp home edition, and just to make sure i call microsoft. I explain to the first representative that i am changing the hard drive to a new computer ect..and he tells me that i do not need to purchase a new version of windows. I figure that he doesnt know what he is talking about so i call back. Same thing. Call back again. Same thing. Contradicting EULA, i guess the hard drive is considered "the computer".
  20. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    According to Microsoft, it's not. The reason installations are tied to the BIOS is because they believe tha the mainboard is the computer for the purpooses of licensing.
  21. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,083

    i relize this, but 3 microsoft employee's told me otherwise and were willing to give me the activation key on the spot.
  22. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    :) Fair enough.

    I actually emailed MS requesting that a representative email me with an outline of the policy so that I could post it here. Everything that is said on the MS website and even in the license suggests (based on this thread) that they shouldn't have allowed you to activate. Yet they gave you the activation code, which confuses matters a bit.

    Whether they send me a useful reply or not I don't know, but if they do I shall post it here.

    And finally, their reply...

    Not very useful really. The rep claims that it isn't possible, and we know otherwise from this thread. It does say that it most definitely is tied to the mainboard though, and is intended only to run on the PC it was bought as part of. So I guess it just backs up what the MS website says. I just wish the answer could have been a little more factual and technically correct. Still, I'm not going to waste time by arguing with them lol.

    Essentially it seems that Twite either had some manner of special circumstances, or MS made a mistake in giving the activation code.
  23. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,083

    Don't get me wrong, i completly agree with you that in the policy it states that if you change the motherboard, you are changing the computer.

    For some reason they acted like the hard drive was the computer. I explained to them that its an OEM version of windows ect..but they insisted that i didnt have to buy a new copy.

    Its coincidence because the reason i was actually calling microsoft was because newegg sent me the upgrade verion of windows xp for 98 and millenium users. I asked the guy if it would work, he said no, then i asked him about switching the hard drive and he told me i didnt have to buy a new copy. Basically neweggs error (and maybe microsofts) saved me $100.
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