Valve displeased over Left 4 Dead 2 ban

By Justin
Sep 18, 2009
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  1. Wendig0

    Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,073   +75

    Guess you didn't get the memo. The Assault Weapons Ban that you speak of has been non-existant for years. The ban was lifted in 2004.
    For those of you that support gun control, here's a thought for you to chew on.
    Legislation was introduced back in the early 80's in Kennesaw, Georgia, that required the "Head of Household" to own at least one firearm with ammunition in order to deter crime. The plan worked, and Kennesaw still to this day has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. As of 2007, Kennesaw remained murder free for 25 years. I'm sure they still are.
    Sorry, but your "Bowling for Columbine" argument doesn't hold water. There's an old saying, "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." I believe it's the truth. Video games don't make people violent either.
  2. Badfinger

    Badfinger Newcomer, in training Posts: 160

    Not wanting a new and improved version of a favorite game: *****IC
    Who are these morons?
    I want names so I don't befriend any, accidentally. ;)
  3. Twister123

    Twister123 Newcomer, in training Posts: 219

    there's more to the fact americans kill each other at a rate much higher than anywhere else in the world than gun ownership , there's a mentality the media push , the paranoia someone wants to kill you . really what do you need a gun for ?

    "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."
    yea with guns that people have for killing other people
  4. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,867   +74

    Twister,
    first of all your statement is just plain preposterous, the US is not even in the top 20, #24 to be exact. BTW Eire made the list too! does it matter to you that you just launch a completely inaccurate, emotional, and false statement of fact? obviously not,

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

    what do you think criminals do when another gun ban is passed? do you think they throw up their hands an say " gee whiz, i was going to get a gun and rob the store........but they passed a law telling me I cant have a gun, so i guess i cant". NO, instead they feel even more secure in the fact that now that law abiding citizens are prohibited from having firearms, they are less likely to meet resistance when conducting their nefarious acts. I challenge you to tell me how many in the US have been gunned down by legal gun owners in the US. the statistics will surprise you as you have obviously been willing to swallow the media's BS by the heaping spoonful. I have watched you on here take pot shots at America for a few months now, there are problems here, but if your so intent on bitching about America, at least find something that's true.

    Cheers
  5. Twister123

    Twister123 Newcomer, in training Posts: 219

    I follow your news , I sign up to media matters for america , human events a broad spectrum of newsletters , I have seen many documentaries , outfoxed about the media , perscription for disaster about the over druging of the nation , and many more , I have american friends I hold in high regard , but your nation is ruled by very extreme people bent on imperalism , I didn't even mention the fanatical christian element . Ireland is no utopia either .
  6. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,867   +74

    I have news for you twister,
    setting aside that you didn't bother to respond to the fact that your assertions are false....
    i have many many Irish friends , and i don't mean of heritage, i mean those who come here on work visa's for six months at a time from Cork to the ulster to work at a biomedical company, they are my friends, i break bread with them, and you know what??????? we spend lots of time talking about the conditions, the bureaucracy, the political climate,......and with the exception of the scale..... its no different there than it is here. get the **** off your high horse.
  7. Twister123

    Twister123 Newcomer, in training Posts: 219

    there poles apart , look at the reaction to a possible change in health care , death panels your future running mate for president palin said ,
  8. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,867   +74



    good god you are green. .....polls? please. you know twister, just because its change does not make it good. you remind me of my uncle whom i debated over gun control. he was all jazzed up that they were about to pass a new ban on guns. I showed him undeniable evidence that gun control does not work. to which he said "yes, but at least we are doing something" didn't matter that it would not work, all that was important was that he got to feel good...and could say that 'he cared'
    the tiniest bit of investigation and introspection would lead you to ask the question ' who's going to pay for it?" have you ever heard the phrase ' if you think health care is expensive now?...wait till its free' how can you think that handing over another 1/6th of the economy to the government is going to result in a smooth and efficient health care system? the government has no accountability, and most of all....no incentive to perform efficiently. if you really want to know what is going on, look for the real facts about countries that have socialized medicine.
  9. Twister123

    Twister123 Newcomer, in training Posts: 219

    one in every five requests to the biggest private health insurance firm in california are denied , americans spend more on health care than any other country and its broken , medicare is socialised health care it works fine .
  10. Classic Rock

    Classic Rock TechSpot Member Posts: 92

    Wendig0,
    You said that Kennesaw, Georgia has not suffered a single murder in 25 years due to the mandatory ownership of firearms? I thought that was wonderful, so I did a bit of research, you know, just to be on the safe side. Turns out that, unfortunately they have had a couple of crazies running about despite the guns. Granted, the number of murders, rapes and armed roberries are below the national average for America with there being 4 murders, 7 rapes and 39 armed robberies since '99, but that still counts for something I think.
    If you want to check my figures, here's the website. Just scroll down till you see the table Titled "Crime in Kensaw by Year" about half way down.
    Link:
    http://www.city-data.com/city/Kennesaw-Georgia.html
  11. Wendig0

    Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,073   +75

    Wrong. Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - they've had 44 years
    to get it right; they are both broke; and now our government dares to
    mention them as models for all US health care.
    Social Security was established in 1935 - they've had 74 years to get
    it right; it is broke.
    The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775 - they've had 234 years
    to get it right; it is broke, and even though heavily subsidized, it
    can't compete with private sector FedEx and UPS services.
    So with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that each
    and every "service" shoved down our throats by an over-reaching
    government turns into disaster, how could any informed American trust
    our government to run or even set policies for America's health care
    system?
    If you want to see what socialized healthcare in America is like, look at the Native Americans. They're a prime example of why gov't. healthcare will not work in this country. The gov't. has tried time and time again for many years to get it right, yet they haven't been able to. It is broken as well.
    I'm all for insurance reform, and tort reform, IF the wingnuts in Congress can decide on something that will please both sides of the table. I'm not holding my breath though.
     
  12. Wendig0

    Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,073   +75

    Thanks Classic Rock, I'll check it out. My source was http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288 and a couple others. Still, even if the figures you provided are the actual count, I would say that's still a pretty good argument against gun control. That's still way below the national average.
  13. Twister123

    Twister123 Newcomer, in training Posts: 219

    wendigo
    financial gain doesn't work with health care , people get refused for profit , public health care is the only way .
  14. EXCellR8

    EXCellR8 The Conservative Posts: 2,278

    woah, the first page of this thread was on track but i have no idea what i'm reading now :lol:
  15. You people really make me sick. You all act like Valve stole your grandmother's wallet and used the money to buy heroine to forcefully inject it with a rusty aids infected needle into her arm.

    A) Valve has given free fan support for years and everyone turns on them without understanding their intent at all.
    1)L4D 2 features an updated engine, updated graphics and different dynamics that would not be able to be integrated into DLC
    2)They are still supporting the "fans" who are complaining by offering DLC for L4D. DLC i might add that is free for PC and only $7 on 360 simply because thats the lowest Microsoft would let them go.

    B) Even if Valve hadnt already done enough to earn your faith and support that this is a company that truly loves its fans and customers, then look at them as any other company and realize one simple thing: We are CAPITALISTS!!! a company has a right to sell a product and cover their expenses in creating said product. You as the consumer are NOT REQUIRED to purchase it.
    1)EA has been screwing gamers over for years and no ban has hurt their continued dominance
    2)No one is forcing you to buy this game. if you want to miss out on what they felt could improve enough on the first game to create a more solid version of the engine and to add completely different situations and running standoffs then be my guest. I'll gladly support one of the best and most loyal companies in the gaming industry and play a great game while im at it.
  16. Punkid

    Punkid TechSpot Maniac Posts: 543

    well lol ofcourse they are going to be displeased
  17. It's funny how Americans think they are so much better than Australians and are saying crap about our government, but i ask you americans is it not your country that has one of the most dangerous crime-rate? Maybe your 'super fantastic so-called leaders' need to start banning violent games and then maybe the world would become a better place. Stop bagging Australia you violent pieces of s hit.
  18. What a bummer for Australians, however the first poster wrote about Australia rules on weaponry. And guns aren't banned, just the ones that are dangerous = smgs.
  19. Hey guest we have the 24th most violent country that's not even in top 20. I don't see how you can support censorship in you're country but I suppose it's people like you that decided for no ma18 rating. We wouldent want your twenty somthing year olde tramatized by violence. Have fun without the game!
  20. Australians that are for the gun ban, bend over and take it in the keaster!!!


    good da mate!!!
  21. I would just like to throw something on the table for those questioning why the Australian government enforced a national firearms agreement was because of the Port Aurthur massacres and the public outcry it caused.

    According to Australian bureau of statistics homicide rates have actually fallen since 1996 when the buy back occurred. Other examples include between 1997 - 1998 murder rates in Australia fell by 12% leaving It at a six year low, this being two years after the gun buy back. There was also a decrease of 12% in the firearm suicide rates between 1992 - 2002. If these figures lead you to believe that the gun buy back did not have at least a small positive effect on the safety of the Australian public and instead inversely had a significant negative effect on the safety of the Australian public then I simply cannot understand your logic.

    The previous maybe wrongly interpreted so feel free to correct me if I have done so.

    My Opinion (Not factual):

    I for one do not buy into the paranoia created and believed by other poster's in this forum that criminal's are deterred by hand gun wielding public when they have the easy access to high powered assault rifles (excluding New York, New Jersey and Connecticut). With over 200 million firearms in the U.S.A it seems that more than anything the gun laws (or lack there of) are more than anything the ultimate defense in times of war against invasion, the safety of the individual merely a smoke screen.

    P.S (to stay somewhat on topic) I agree that the classification board In Australia are horribly out of touch with the modern gaming demographic and seem to naively assume only kids play games. In reality nothing could be further from the truth, I feel such double standards between movies and video game classification grossly inappropriate for developed country/continent such as Australia to have. I also however feel that dead space and Fear 2 (haven't played the original, didn't hear great things about it) are far worse than left 4 dead (assuming l4d 2 is similar). In such I begin to wonder how the board determines the ratings on games, probably by the headless chicken method as seen on south park.

    If you cant tell I am from Australia.

    Wh1tebum
  22. snowchick7669

    snowchick7669 TechSpot Maniac Posts: 698

    Haha wow this thread went from computer games to politics,government corruption and 'my country is better then yours' war

    Interesting..
  23. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,400   +832

    Interesting perhaps, but certainly nothing new or unique. :rolleyes: :haha: :wave:

    This statement perhaps should have been followed by "typical".
  24. snowchick7669

    snowchick7669 TechSpot Maniac Posts: 698

    It is typical Captain :)

    And rather enjoyable to read.

    Which = Interesting :D
  25. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,400   +832

    Being an inhabitant of "Killadelphia", a video game ban seems like much ado about nothing.

    For us, "left for dead" is, (sadly), our way of life.
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