Weekend Open Forum: Modern Warfare 2 on the PC, a multiplayer fiasco?

[Ghostface900]

Except from the fact that you can't choose the map you want to play in, the ping is enormous, I used to have between 10 and 30 ping, now its 100+, you can't play with your clan as it picks people with the same skill and matches are filled within seconds, you can't have competitive gameplay, you can't have mods, etc.
And what is so hard about browsing a list where there is indicated what map you play on, what gametype you are playing, what ping it has, what clan owns the server, etc.

Why don't they get it?

 

[retro2112]

"the game is doomed to failure"

Despite being the biggest entertainment launch in history....EVER
That to me suggests success....

 

[yukka]

First I would like to say I played COD4 on the 360 and liked the matchmaking system. Mercenary Team Deathmatch is my favorite and you can play a game within about 2 minutes of firing up the game.

I saw COD4 on the PC as my friend had it and liked the look of the 40 player servers and decided to get COD5 on PC when it came out.

Unfortunately COD5 for me was ruined by the modified maps that allowed fast leveling. On the 360 version of COD4 it was all about getting levels, maximising loadouts and perks to get the most experience. In COD5 it was about joining a level that spawned everyone in the same room so you could constantly throw grenades, hold down fire and rack up kills. In 3 hours you could reach maximum level and thats what alot of people seemed to do. I played it for about a week in multiplayer and then left it.

Now this version is out and I like the multiplayer. The matchmaking system is identical to the 360 version and the levels are well designed. The perks and customised classes have been improved imo and its easy to get into a game. The coop system is also enjoyable. I think its an improvement.

I do believe there is a need for choice however. There should be larger servers available for the PC but not if it means it ruins what could be enjoyable for a few months - getting levels, trying out and learning all the different guns. All that is lost as soon as there is a level built that just lets you get to maxmim level by holding down shoot for 3 hours.

 

[yukka]

I havent had any ping or performance issues but then I am playing on a core i7 with 9gb of ram on a 13meg broadband connection. If im not hosting then someone with a better connection or computer is.

 

[Ghostface900]

@yukka
haven't you noticed when you throw a nade, the animation plays and after that, the nade releases. believe me, thats a ping issue in my oppinion.
im probably running on half of ur specs, but my internet is three times as good and i have ping issues. if you used to play console, you won't notice anything, but any dedicated pc-gamer should notice lagg on console versions of mw1 and mw2 and the pc version of mw2.
at least i did.

 

[Guest]

Well looks like IW shot themselves in the foot.

The MP setup is bad, so we just download the torrent for the SP instead.
Lost revenue right there.

Nickle&Dime us for DLC. What next, paid update patches?

I hope AvP, DiCE and BRINK will be good next year; As I'm sick of getting "Wolfensteined".

 

[Guest]

Besides not having dedicated server which i honestly no longer care for, overall MP gaming is great. So far, i had one lag issue, where a host left, and then a random person was chosen to be a host so the game may finish its round.

9vs9 is nice as well. No more over crowded maps where you get killed off every 3 seconds.

No more worries about your favorite server being full, being down, shut off or not updated.

It just works. Yeah, there are few hick ups here and there, but there is lots of room for improvement. The game has been out only for 4 days, and ill bet in a month, MP service with patches and updates will improve greatly.

 

[Brewskie]

I don't remember reading the breakdown between PC sales and console sales.

I would wager that most of the sales are on the console side, as they are the ones with hobbled systems and this game fits right in.....hobbled for consoles.

 

[Guest]

really guys i had great expectations for MW2
i would have spend all my money on this game
the best thing i enjoyed in MW1 was 32 vs 32 multiplayer but now thats gone so i guess theres no point in spending any money on this since games are very expensive in my country .

 

[yukka]

ghostface900 said:
@yukka
haven't you noticed when you throw a nade, the animation plays and after that, the nade releases. believe me, thats a ping issue in my oppinion.
im probably running on half of ur specs, but my internet is three times as good and i have ping issues. if you used to play console, you won't notice anything, but any dedicated pc-gamer should notice lagg on console versions of mw1 and mw2 and the pc version of mw2.
at least i did.

1. I don't get the lag you speak about. I just went straight in to the game and practiced throwing grenades and the sound and animations are in sync. I have yet to play a laggy game.

2. I have been playing shooters on the pc since doom and quake. The price of my first 3dfx card still makes me shudder (£160 for a 4mb voodoo1) and I know lag when I see it. Fine, I do not live in shooting games and as I am older the old reactions start to slow and maybe kids on shed loads of caffeine with the reactions of cats might notice things I don't.

From where I am standing, the performance issues people talk about are not something I have experienced. The standard multiplayer game is alot better also because there is a feeling of satisfaction as you climb ranks that can't be avoided by running "powerlevelling" maps.

Is that shitty for people wanting to play 30vs30 on their own server? Well Infinity Ward should release larger maps, create a dedicated server version that is not connected to the standard multiplayer game and let people play as they want on those servers without affecting the standard version. In other words you cant rank up on those servers but those servers could just allow everyone that joins to have lvl 55. There would still be plenty of people to play the "normal" version for the challenge.

 

[pmkrefeld]

ColdFusion1990 said:
I can see why people dislike being unable to choose which map or a specific server they want to play in, but the new system really helps you get into a decent server with incredible ease.

Eeeehhhmmm.... no you see you are totally wrong, what is the sense in playing something you actually don't wanna play (experienced it both with BF:BC and BF1943) i hate some maps and love the others but why the hell should I play both. Arguing that Infinity Ward wants to deliver the best playing experience for everyone is bullshit, if it were so you could choose between IWNet and Dedicated servers, the thruth is they hope they could have more control over the players for example there are no statistics about which map people really like and which they don't so you can't really complain about something, another aspects is that they really think they could ban all pirated copies of Cod:MW2 from the internet... come on get real you can't win against piracy so try to live with it. Oh, and don't come with those fantasy numbers like because of piracy we lost 10trillion $ last year, it isn't true...

 

[klepto12]

the point of the matter is there are like 15 computers to every console in the world and PC gaming is far bigger than console gaming so IW is freaking stupid for F****** over the PC community dedicated servers are what defines the pc games we play and not having any control at all is BS. I love the game but i think i will get board of it easy.

 

[BlindObject]

Ahh, I'm glad I spent my money on L4D2. =)

 

[Guest]

I bought the game after trying out a my mate's copy. Its as bad as everyone says, 3/5 games you play will have a horrible host, so i dont know just how the hell the system picks the best host, if me and my friends all have powerful rigs and megabit connections. But i bought it anyway, because even tho they brought on all these changes, the game is very solid, and you can see all the hard work these guys put into making this game. No one likes change, even when its changing something that is tried and true, and so close and dear to us pc gamers, like dedicated servers. But i bet in a few years dedicated servers will be a thing of the past, and our children/ grandchildren will laugh when we tell them that we had to PAY to have a 24-man server running in some guy's basement pc. Lag is always a problem no matter if its a dedicated server or not. IW has balls to do what they have done, even if they were just being lazy by simply porting the console version to the pc, they are atleast trying to bring change to the PC gaming community, which has barely changed since the release of classics like CSS and Starcraft. I just hope this change is for better, even if it makes me rage inside.

 

[pcnthuziast]

Has anyone considered the possibility that IW is siimply experimenting with a new formula?

If PC gamers would write some constructive emails to them rather than ranting on forums, maybe they would release a patch at some point and revert back to the tried & true formula they used with MW1.

 

[Guest]

Its been only 4 days, give them time to work out all the issues. Rome wasnt concurred in one day either.

 

[Xclusiveitalian]

Battlefield Bad company 2 for PC looks very interesting to people who hate what has become of MW2, however, even as great of a game it is and will be it is still a port. A real FPS game id like to see is Battlefield 3, and for god sakes hope its PC only. A man can dream!

 

[Guest]

There is absolutely no point in providing Infinity Ward with 'constructive feedback', as they are fully aware that this is an enormously unpopular decision that virtually the entire PC-gaming community reviles utterly. The problem is THEY DON'T CARE.

This is simply a transparent money grab - by removing mod support and abandoning dedicated servers, you force EVERYONE to deal with random map selections by removing any choice. Couple that with DLC map-packs, and eventually everyone will be forced to shell out for said DLC or keep getting blocked/dropped whenever a map they don't own comes up on the rotation via the 'completely automated' matchmaking system.

See, they CAN'T keep dedicated servers around - how else would they be able to shovel DLC down the PC-gamers' collective throats if they simply had the option to CHOOSE what maps they play on and who they play them with? Can't have that!

This was never really about dedicated servers, it was all about removing mod support so they could force us to buy content we would otherwise just make and distribute ourselves FOR FREE.

 

[Guest]

i totally enjoyed the game but it is way to short , i finished it in under 5 hours of gameplay .if this game was a girl she would be a "blond teasy flirt"

 

[Guest]

Oh dear, I'm 55 years old and have thoroughly enjoyed every edition up to now, but this has come to an abrupt halt. Firstly I didn't want steam, secondly multiplayer stinks!, and last but not least gameplay is poor. Sorry I wish I could get my money back, certainly recommend others not to waste their money! It seems that as usual the 'experts' know better than the gamers - goodbye infinity ward!!

 

[Guest]

There is no more hack free experience... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm3Wj2YfDx0
and i was so disappointed by IW....played every day CoD4....and when I heard that MW2 will come I was looking for the game...till the msg came: NO DEDI servers... mh.... I will buy Bad Company 2....really this will be the real CoD4 sequel.

 

[Guest]

yeah, i bought the game ot really paying any attention to the new MP format. if i'd have known i prolly wudna bought it. ive been on a couple times since it came out and i am very dissapointed in not being able to browse for a server i like. i feel like ive been hearded like cattle to some ramdom server. what i enjoyed about the last game was i could "set server to favorites" once i found a good playing/ cool people/ specific maps server. looks like i have no choice where i play now.
it was a really bad idea to do this. sure it might be easier for the newbies to get into a game easier, but its only good for newbies. once they have a feel for the game they too will wonder why they dont have a choice of what particular server they play on.
i would pay extra if this company would put things back the way they're supposed to be.
give us a patch for a server list and mods.
let the newbies play on this type of "console" until they figure out the way its supposed to be. by then they can patch their game and play with the rest of us.
i'll be playing on MW1 and WAW till then. i may even get around to the single player too, but prolly not multi.
sure the graphics are cool but look how big the community of counter strike is....are ya pickin up what i'm layin down???

 

[j4m32]

It's the same with Wolfenstein and Enemy Territory: Quake Wars.
Epic fail, killed a series.
End of.

I don't see how domestic Internet connections of the UK which average about 2mbit down and about 448kbit upload. For 18 players with 20 snapshots (engine default since U cannot change any settings on CoD MW2) at ~20kbytes a piece when the game is that full -> is practially a total flood and huge latency is induced.

You would need an actual through-put of around 3mbit or greater in upload to run 18 players with LESS problems for their ping times.

That's excluding any voice communication, since that's an extra overhead, I wouldn't be surprised if it's limited by the client rate too.

Hence why you will all have pings of 100+ QED. Glad I didn't bother preordering, the promotional videos said it all.

A poor console port and incorrectly labled "PC".

 

[Guest]

I am a casual gamer in 50s a marine corps veteran and love the cod series.and have supported all of them.I love going into my favorite servers and playing at my choice.I love downloading the latests mods. and new maps to see what someone has ceated.I just want to thank all of the talented folks all over the world who takethe time and energy creating content for all of us to keep a game like this alive,fresh and fun.I also meet folks half my age and closer to my age in work contacts talking about games find out they play mw1 and are in a clan I like to have that freedom to join on thier server and have a frag fest is a blast made some great friends through dedicated servers with like minded ppl that also enjoy this release we call fps shooter fun.I think iw decision to f**** the pc community with this crap after all the support all over the world pc community has kept this franchise alive and strong.ya they sell mass quanity of console games but they have short attention spans pc community is strong and keep game like this alive and keeps ppl engaged and interested till the next game release.I will not be buying this game will stick to mw1 for now and I only can hope the pc community stays strong and not support this game. Keep the faith! SEMPER FI

 

[Ranger12]

wellll, looks like Im a little late posting but...

ditto everything the rest of yall said. lol

its really disappointing.