Weekend Open Forum: Modern Warfare 2 on the PC, a multiplayer fiasco?

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When i heard about this game i was so excited cos I absolutely love COD4! However! They have completely ruined what could have been a great game! The single player i found was quite good and i enjoyed playing through it. The game play I think is really good and i like the new weapons.

But that is where the compliments stop! The multiplayer is shocking! I couldn't believe how bad it is! You have to sit there for ages while it chooses a game and finds players for that game! You then have to wait while it chooses a host and sets up the game. Finally you start playing, you get into the game and suddenly it all stops cos the host leaves! So you then have to sit there for ages while it moves the game to another player! Then you start playing again! The game then finishes and you then sit there and wait for ages before the next one starts! Half the time on multiplayer is waiting around for a game! Its meant to be a game not a film!!!! We want to be able to play not sit around for ages waiting! And 9 vs 9! Are they Mad!!!!! Over in Afghanistan, do you think there are only 9 solders fighting 9 Taliban?! No there are hundreds! It makes it so unrealistic its ridiculous! They really have ruined what could have been an immense game!
 
Besides the multiplayer portion, IW messed up the co-op play. PC gamers wanted at least 4 player campaign co-op all along, but IW decided they shouldn't give the gamers what they want. After all, what does IW have to gain from providing the gamers what they want? Oh yeah...money. Their excuse: "it ruins the experience." World at war's 4 player co-op didn't ruin anyone's experience.

The statement made in this article about IW's choice for changing the multiplayer game play so that "less experienced users can join in on the fun" is pretty stupid. If you can't figure out how to click multiplayer and choose a server to play on, then you should buy a console. It's not rocket science IW. Stop making excuses for you lack of talent to fix your bugs.
 
Well, now I don't feel so bad for downloading a ripped copy with torrents...works perfect *and* I can play online/co-op!! Saved me 60 bucks and Infinity can go fu** themselves for screwing the game up. I did the same thing with MW1, but bought a copy when my fundage was available...won't be PAYING for this one: NO WAY!

Single player *is* fun and looks great...to bad Infinity forgot where they came from....
 
I was very excited for this release, since I had played hundred hours of COD4. The previews made the game seem like it was going to be a solid sequel.

Now that they have taken out dedicated servers I am thinking back to all my favorite games such as Unreal Tournament 1 and 2k4, CS, COD4, and TF2 and am trying to picture what they would be like without clan servers, 32 player maps, the ability to kick cheaters/prickjobs, the balance in a fight with equal pings, and the Freedom to choose where I want to play and it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

This is the whole reason we, as gamers, choose to play on PC. We like to have a choice instead of being told what to do like all of the console zombies out there. IMO PC gamers take their gaming far more seriously than console gamers; we expect more out of games, refuse to use controllers which try to emulate movement of the head with a 180 degree thumb knob, and form communities.

I refuse to buy this game.
 
how lame are you people, cry more?

it's there company, it's there game, it's there choice.

If you don't like it don't buy it, and don't criticize before trying.

personally dedicated servers would be nice of course, but if you just want to play matches all day and have fun while doing it you definitely can, so what if there are no mods, the game is fantastic, awesome gameplay, awesome guns, killstreaks, perks, its all extremely fun, even with IWNet.

The matchmaking system is fairly fast and games get going quick, usually I hop in and am in game within 30 seconds, it's not half as bad as most of these people are saying.

The game is still a win in my opinion, a solid 9.0 out of 10, with dedicated servers though it'd be a 10, but still well worth playing, already played 20+ hours and loving it.

Thanks for the cool game IW/Activision
 
There are so many negative posts about this game, I thought I had to be a lone ranger here and point out what I feel are at least a few positives. I think the single player campaign is brilliant. Even though the story is a bit disconjointed (new word) it holds enough of a thread to make it interesting. To me the graphics are seriously astonishing. They equal the opening movies and cut scenes of older games and make you feel like you are actually "in the movie". I also thought the creators were very imaginative with all the elements of the story. For example, using ice picks to climb up an ice wall! or the visuals of a war torn America.....they made it very realistic and very disturbing.

However, I would have to agree with most of the previous posts in general. The negatives out weigh the positives. For one thing, as high-quality as the single player campaign proves to be, it is also way too short! For $65 bucks it ought to be at least twice as long. I finished it in a little over 6 hours.....that makes it cost about $10/hour to play! I have to say that It does have good replay quality though. I'm looking forward to playing through it again.

Secondly the multiplayer is pretty much a disaster........yes basically it does suck for all the reasons that have been so aptly put. But the biggest reason for me is because of all the frigging hackers........and the game has barely been out for only a week! I couldn't believe the number of players with obvious aimbots and wall hacks that I ran into the past couple of nights. And of course if it's that easy to hack then it's just going to get worse as time goes on. Soon everybody (except me...I'm too computer illiterate) will have hacks. I will continue to go through the torture of playing online for at least awhile longer though just to discover and play around with some of the unlocks. But it won't be long before I go back to BF2142 (which also has been ruined by hackers), mainly because I can still do well despite the hackers and I can choose what server and map I want to play on. Infinity Ward really screwed up making MW2 basically a console game for PC's. But I doubt if they care much.....they still made a ton of money!
 
Choice, is that not the consumer watch word?

Why did they not allow both systems, dedicated servers and this match making setup, that way you chose what you want to do and everyone is happy!
 
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I am sure many PC gamers on these forums and around the world have recently purchased Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 for PC. The game itself is great graphically and it plays out quite nice. There is one problem though, the company themselves has decided to jump on the band wagon of giving the masses the typical template gameplay and style as all the other games out there which is going to hurt them in the long run. Infinity Ward has decided to not release Mod Tools, Dedicated Servers for PC gamers which they have delivered since the release of Call of Duty the original
http://www.modernwarfare2.com/forum/...a5cb568e49193f

The link I present to you is people petitioning for dedicated servers and complaining about how watered down the game has become which is a port from the console version of the game(xbox360,PS3). Infinity Ward has closed down 9 of their threads of the petition with over 300, 000 signs to give them dedicated servers or they will not support the game.

Infinity Ward made a match-making multiplayer experience where you load up the game, click find game and it match makes and has a VERY basic menu for doing anything. It's not only User hosted but users have to vote maps, it chooses the timing, allows radar, perks and so fourth and it goes through map cycles of maps that people don't want to play. Y

You can't even turn off the functions that allow people to use "radar" which is designed specifically for newbs. You may aswell install wallhacks and play the game, it's not different since Radar is pretty much the same concept.

Now if Dedicated servers were made, along with mod tools, any of these things could have been changed and you could double click the server you enjoy in your favourites list and play with out an issue, like any previous Call of Duty. My problem here is, what is happening to our PC gaming industry? why are we being so forced to play a certain way? I know that if you watched the skateboarding scene, the best are the best and people want to practice and become good like the best, you watch their footage, you study their style of play and you continue to play the game for a long time because you want to do what the best does.

When is this trend going to stop ? it's has come to a breaking point where PC gamers have had enough, the petitions for CODMW2 is a perfect example, enough is enough, we want our real games back, the ones that you sold us, not this watered down console crap that leads us to an illusion that were actually good at a game....
 
Cheat free? Didnt it take a day then we had wallhack and aimbot.
AND the great thing is. They can just laugh in your face and continue playing. Dont like it? Then quit and take a loss. Because they cant be kicked.
 
Oh and yeah my record is 4 hostchanges in one match. With constant pl throughout the game ang while your jumped around from one spot to another getting constantly killed by individuals seemingly having no problems at all.
It has come to the point that i for a brief second wondered if someone has found a way to cut there connection ones there hosts thereby getting a huge advantage.
 
But the solution is simple. Open up for ded servers with admin options. But since they only seem to see the dollarsigns i guess that will not happen. Atleast not without charging extra.
 
Darn it!! 60 bucks gone to waste, F**KNG multiplayer game!!! piece of crap! and they say it's hack-proof? o.0 Just 3 mins of the game someone already NUKE all our asses to kingdom come with 25-0. What the hell happened IW? You must release a patch for this! It would be such a waste for this game if you don't do anything.
 
HACKS are gonna kill this game at least in cod4 they had a better anti cheat ive played for a few games and so far every nite i played there were ppl with map hacks
 
seems that steam is not so secure after all.. already spotted a hacker when i was playing online! Cheat and hack-free? Words....
 
All you ,excuse my french, f*ckin whiners crack me up it hurts. MW2 is a great game, single player is short ok, and multiplayer is hours of fun. But just because they deceided not to go in the direction of Dedicated servers people refuse to enjoy this awesome game. You got ur right to b*itch and moan but before u bash the game, try it before u do. I find it much easier to play with friends via. the party lobby. Not allowing to choose the maps is nice in my opinion because it forces u to become good at many different tactics (sniping, close combat, etc.). Plus that way their isent 500 servers playing the same map 24/7. I'm just tired of hearing about it.
 
lol big words from a console player probably. this is by far the worst way they could have made the servers i mean hell there are tons of cheaters and if someone drops that was the host guess what you get stuck and have to wait for a new host this is in no way what the PC version should have been it makes me cringe thinking this is what pc gaming is coming to im utterly disgusted with IW.
 
IW probably wont bother about this because they already made big $$ on mw2. But they have to think, what about their next release (for example mw3 maybe)? if they stick to their decision for not having dedicated servers then probably mw3 wont even be a hit at all! We pc community contributes a lot on the big $$ u made! And its because of the multiplayer gaming like we had in the previous COD series!
 
I'm a huge fan cod4 mw1 but the new mw2 multiplayer sucks for several reasons 1. cannot turn off kill cam this is a snipers nightmare 2. cannot pick which map to play you end up playing the same 2-3 maps for hours. All this to make the game balanced bulls^&* now when the hackers get into the game the honest players will not be able to punt or ban them. I want my $$$$ back IW.
 
IW have won me over. I moaned like a good 'un when I first heard this news, and I did not buy the PC version on release and got it for the PS3 instead. (£26 at Sainsburys.) I then found the PC version on-line for £15 so I jumped in too as the PS3 controls were driving me crazy.

Whilst I think dedicated servers would erradicate some the lag anomalies I see through Killcam I do think the player count 6v6 or 9v9 does make the game much more tactical and less of a Quake frag fest.

COD4 pleases the Quake brigade with its 64 players on maps designed for 16 as it can be a frag frenzy and difficult to get into for the new player.

MW2 feels much more like Counter Strike if you get a organised team going.

The best balance would be a mixture of both, although I think if it was a mixture of both I would personally spend more time on IWNET.

Now if you'd have seen some of my posts about this subject on other forums you would be amazed that I just typed that.
 
I was actually looking forward to this game, up until I heard what unfavorable changes had been made to the gameplay. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare offered players the chance to set up their own servers, and host their own games. Or for the more casual gamer, the option to select whatever server he or she wanted to play on. That offered the game a lot of flexibility, and often some hacker shenanigans. But that happens with practically every game anyway.

Modern Warfare 2 lacks this flexibility, which for me ruins the point of online gaming. I hope Microsoft wasn't trying to reduce the game development cost by sacrificing functionality. This is a move in the wrong direction, imho.
 
i purchased the pc version at that other store for less than forty bucks when considering the twenty dollars in gift card returns. multiplayer games are full of hacks with aimbot and people running you over and stabbin ya in the back and jumpin higher than most players. i usually will drop out of most games when people appear with tenth level and ranked at seventy. where's punkbuster when you need it and the ability to kick those who are outclassed for this game.otherwise the game play is fun with normal players.
 
All you have to do is go online and search for MW2 wallhack. The site(s) that sell the hacks have full videos showing them working in game. Any person with $20 can buy the hacks and ruin the game. If IW is actually banning accounts, it needs to start posting the number of bans every week to show its customers that its trying. How much business will they lose on their upcoming products in the PC market? I'm active in the PC gaming community and the sentiment of the average user is outrage, anger and frustration. People have long memories, especially when they feel shortchanged on a purchase.
 
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