Weekend Open Forum: Will Windows 8 be worth buying?

gwailo247 said:
captaincranky said:
I wouldn't pay $10 for this. It would have to improve speed all around, including under 5 seconds boot up and shut down, and instant resume...then and only then would i consider getting windows 8.
Why does everybody blame the boot up time solely on the operating system?

No kidding, since I got an SSD my boot time has improved markedly, but it still takes 30 seconds to get out of the ASUS BIOS.

30 seconds just to POST? I've had three ASUS boards back to back to back and i've never experienced that long a POST with IDE drives, but went Gigabyte this time around, and it takes my system 35 seconds for a complete restart on a Gigabyte board and C300 64GB on SATA II port.
 
At what point to you think they'll summon the cajones to try and ram a subscription OS up our collective kisters?

Not too far fetched actually, as Adobe is starting this as of CS 5.5 issues.
 
At what point to you think they'll summon the cajones to try and ram a subscription OS up our collective kisters?

Not too far fetched actually, as Adobe is starting this as of CS 5.5 issues.

And of course the only software available is made by Adobe and Microsoft.
 
What happened to "Windows 9"? Or do you think that it will be a named version? Maybe, "Windows, Oops, We Screwed You Again", with Britney Spears a** for wallpaper.

just a guess, but 8 is built from the same kernel as 7. I'm a guess'in '9' will be back to alpha name. They will probably have a contest. Wasn't windows XP named ostensibly from a contest? I seem to have a vague memory of that.

At what point to you think they'll summon the cajones to try and ram a subscription OS up our collective kisters?

I cant believe they have not done it so far.

At what point to you think they'll summon the cajones to try and ram a subscription OS up our collective kisters?

Not for me...until you cant purchase it anymore. Which will probably be next month. I bought my copy of CS5...think they will try to retroactively make it a sub? I would not put it past them....I didn't read all the fine print.
 
And of course the only software available is made by Adobe and Microsoft.
Well no, obviously it isn't. But for an OS and imaging software, those are the big two. but suppose you're a company with volume licensing, or an individual that needs Adobe product, A pro using Photoshop, is not likely to be happy with some Arcsoft or Corel imaging garbage. Besides, most imaging plug-in software is designed to run in Photoshop.

If you're thinking along the lines of "Adobe Reader" sucks, so I'll install "Foxit", I suppose that'll fly, if you like toolbars.
 
Not for me...until you cant purchase it anymore. Which will probably be next month. I bought my copy of CS5...think they will try to retroactively make it a sub? I would not put it past them....I didn't read all the fine print.
Well, I'm sure you've figured out that activation is automatic, you can't avoid it. And "Adobe Updater" is almost pure spyware. The trash wanted to update itself to a newer version of "Adobe Updater". When it's not doing that, it's trying to sell you more s**. So, it's adware and spyware.

In spite of the fact that PSE-7, is allegedly a serial number activated program, it still has, "FNP Licensing Service" running in the background, and that's supposed to be activation protocol.

Next time, try letting this: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/eulalyzer.html read Adobe's BS for you. Wait until you see all the red flags that's likely to throw up.
 
Well, I'm sure you've figured out that activation is automatic, you can't avoid it. And "Adobe Updater" is almost pure spyware. The trash wanted to update itself to a newer version of "Adobe Updater". When it's not doing that, it's trying to sell you more s**. So, it's adware and spyware.

In spite of the fact that PSE-7, is allegedly a serial number activated program, it still has, "FNP Licensing Service" running in the background, and that's supposed to be activation protocol.

Yep, unfortunately, not much you can do about it. There just isn't anything else out there that rivals it, so they get away with it. I do wonder why 3DSMax 2012 doesn't do the same. It doesn't have any real competition, but I don't see any of that garbage, or maybe it's just more stealthy.
 
captaincranky said:
No kidding, since I got an SSD my boot time has improved markedly, but it still takes 30 seconds to get out of the ASUS BIOS.
Is it Phoenix-Award or something else? The Phoenix Award in my i3 box(Gigabyte H-55) seems to zip right by. (Although I've never actually timed it. Hm, maybe I should). With the HDDs running in AHCI, most of the IDE polling crawl never shows.....?

I rebooted and I timed it at 23 seconds. Takes 42 seconds to get to logon screen, then about 5 more to load up all the startup items.

BIOS are American Megatrends.

It has slowed down a bit over time. Used to come out of sleep almost instantly, now it takes a second or two longer.
 
LOL who boots a computer these days?
My home computer is only booted after a win update requires it.
The laptop stays in sleep mode most of the time. Heck, I can stuff it in the bag Friday after work, leave it in sleep mode (HDD power down after 1 hour), and Monday morning I still have between 92-97% remaining.
 
I'm a gamer.

I'm not gonna say I'm 100% sure what to call a platform these days, but it seems to me that DirectX is becoming more of a "platform" than Windows itself.

WinXP was limited to DX9, so I simply had to get Vista in order to use my DX10 hardware and play what few DX10 games were out there. Then Windows 7 hit the fan with DX11, which you could only get with Windows 7. I go where the DirectX goes, and I'll keep on doing that for as long as games require DirectX. If this trend, adding a new version of DirectX with each new version of Windows keeps up, then (as a gamer) the choice has been removed from the equasion.

I just did a couple searching and read a little bit about Win8, and it seems it might be shipping with DX12. If it does, and if you can't get DX12 for Win7 then that's that. I'd have to get Win8. Case closed.

The way Microsoft has been using this situation to force gamers into buying their next OS is pure marketing genius (and potentially also pure evil).
 
p51d007 said:
LOL who boots a computer these days?
My home computer is only booted after a win update requires it.
The laptop stays in sleep mode most of the time. Heck, I can stuff it in the bag Friday after work, leave it in sleep mode (HDD power down after 1 hour), and Monday morning I still have between 92-97% remaining.
for the laptop to use so little energy it must be hibernate, not sleep(sleep: computer instantly starts, hibernate: takes around 20-30secs).
and as for your desktop why waste energy just to save the 1-2 mins it takes to boot your computer? you could probably buy an ssd with the money you save and reduce the boot time to 30-60 secs.
 
LOL who boots a computer these days?
My home computer is only booted after a win update requires it.
The laptop stays in sleep mode most of the time. Heck, I can stuff it in the bag Friday after work, leave it in sleep mode (HDD power down after 1 hour), and Monday morning I still have between 92-97% remaining.
Mostly people that are aware of the fact that Windows, (particularly XP), repairs itself during the boot process. Of course VIPs such as yourself needn't bother.
 
Not one of those "upgrades" I have an interest in. And absolutely loath the ribbon UI. I'm very happy with Windows 7. Believe I'll be staying with that for quite a while.
 
If next improvement of windows os come together with an improved version of KINECT (as hardware) and has embedded api support for that, then it will success.

The IT industry needs something clever and revolutionary and something like that is not necessary hard in implementation.
 
I just hope the 3 year release cycle doesn't become a 1 year release cycle and then a half a year release cycle. Windows 8.5, 8.75 or whatever. Kinda like what Adobe does nowadays. You almost get to order an upgrade for CS 5.5 before you even get to try the CS 5 out properly.

They better put some more work to DX and development for Windows as it's still a pain in the arse.
 
I do not have the clue what to expect from it. I think when we have it, and after some time of usage, then we can give a comment to this post!
 
Have to agree, whilst the OS has to have some effect, most PC are still using BIOS which is hugely outdated and is a massive drag on boot times. Use an SSD and UEFI and the boot times drop alot
 
@ tw0rld Businesses have to wait until they move to a new operating system, for all the security and reliability issues to be fixed. A lot of them are still running XP and Vista (well, most of them to be honest). Only after Win 7 SP1 did some of them make the transition. So a lot of time will pass until the transition is made to Windows 8.
Windows 8 will be mainly a consumer product for the first few years I will wait a couple of months and see the reviews, but most probably I will buy it too.
 
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