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Weekend tech reading: Final PS4 & Xbox One specs compared, why users uninstall apps

By Matthew
Nov 17, 2013
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  1. Today, eight years after the launch of the Xbox 360, the launch of the PS4 finally kicks off the eighth generation of video game consoles. For the first time in history, due to their PC-like hardware, it’s actually possible to...

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  2. JC713

    JC713 TS Evangelist Posts: 7,027   +913

    Interesting bunch of articles.
     
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  3. XBone is highly saturated, too much contrast and lacks details in the shadows. PS4 is more realistic with less jagged lines. IMO
     
  4. Ranger12

    Ranger12 TS Guru Posts: 637   +117

    Eh, I like the crispness of the Xbox's picture. When you put that soft glow over everything you know it's there to cover up the edges which is just as bad as having edges imo.
    Also this is ONE game and a launch game at that. A couple years down the road when developers have gotten better at the Xbox one and PS4 I think we will def see better.
    That being said, after seeing this I'm not worried for PC gaming.
     
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  5. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,119   +1,523

    I agree and how is this for an unbiased opinion? Even though I will not buy either of them because they are consoles, my vote in this comparison goes to Xbox One.
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    Of course it is! <sarcasm>The prospect of people banking without paying bankers, is absurd. </sarcasm>

    On a serious note; I thought Bit-coins was a way not to use banks, but here they show just how dependent they still are to banks. And if you think banking organizations are just going to roll over and play dead, you have another thing coming. The banking organizations have you paying them, they plan on keeping it that way.
     
  6. Zilliak

    Zilliak TS Enthusiast Posts: 233

    I really hope someone can answer this for me. What is stopping someone from just finding a way to bypass the disk security and with a little modding/hacking play the games on a pc? Is not the architecture the same as a pc now?
     
  7. IKROWNI

    IKROWNI TS Member Posts: 27

    I dont understand what you mean, both of the new consoles are using x86 architecture. previously it ook them a long time because they were using cell processors and other stuff that was unfamiliar to the devs but with x86 im sure they already know just about everything they could about x86. I wouldnt expect the games to look any better at all. they are struggling with 1080p and 60fps so that just means as the game engines get better the graphics will be set lower and lower and lower to accomodate 1080p. theres going to be tradeoffs no matter what whereas on pc right now you can crank out those same games in 4k over 100fps with all settings at ultra. so yea once again pc wins but this time its a huge advantage to go pc over console this gen. remember oculus said the rift will be pc only as well at least till they fit them with android devices built in.
     
  8. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Booster Posts: 984   +97

    It looks like the XBone makes better use of Ambient Occlusion to me.
     
  9. Ranger12

    Ranger12 TS Guru Posts: 637   +117

    They are much more like pc's than previous consoles but I don't think they are pc's. There is still some uniqueness to them so perhaps we won't see the same developments as previous consoles. Either way, I don't think there are any pc's out there atm that can run BF3 at 4k and 100fps. A 780 only gets like 58 frames at 2560x1600. SLI doesn't scale perfectly and two 780 would be hard pressed to see 100fps. Now bump the resolution up to 4k and you've more than doubled the number of pixels. Nah, I don't see a setup able to run it those settings at 100fps.
    But PC's will be there in no time while consoles will work with the same hardware for the next 8 or so years.
     
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  10. WangDangDoodle

    WangDangDoodle TS Rookie Posts: 47   +13

    I think Sony made the smarter move here by keeping things simple (good for devs), going for a better GPU and proper GDDR5 memory. Microsoft's choice of going with embedded ESRAM and GDDR3 *may* very well result in lazy/poor/bad developers not even making use of the ESRAM and thereby not utilizing the Xbox One's full potential.

    That said... I really, really cannot for the life of me understand why Sony and Microsoft would go for such utter crap hardware for their "next-gen" consoles. Last time, they promised "HD gaming" with consoles that could barely run 720p. One would think--in this day and age--that they could conjure up some hardware that could actually, finally run 1080p... now that we're about to step into the age of "4K" rendering "Full HD" a thing of the past!

    When I first heard they were both using a AMD APU, half my face formed an expression it's never done before. It just didn't make any sense to me that AMD's (custom or otherwise) APUs would be able to run 1080p. I thought maybe because it's a console that they might be able to squeeze more out of the hardware, but not 1080p. I'm kinda sad to see that I was right. :p

    I get that they want to make it cheap and affordable, but gamers tend to spend a lot of money on their passion. I think most people could afford to buy a more expensive console given the fact that it's gonna last a long time, and the fact that both consoles are basically media centers with a Blu-Ray player.

    I have no fear for the future of PC gaming.
     
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  11. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Evangelist Posts: 1,439   +559

    I've always thought that side-by-side comparisons of graphics between consoles is a waste of time. Not only are the differences always minuscule, the multiplatform games typically used for this are purposely designed to be as similar as possible. On a console, the comparison should be which platform functions with the least problems and who has the better library of games (quality followed by quantity). Graphics performance should only be a concern on the PC.
     
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  12. darkspartan91

    darkspartan91 TS Rookie

    I really don't know why the ps4 version looks so blurry I have it at home and it's no way that blurry. I'm pretty sure they used the ps4 share video option that compresses and makes the video a little blurrier
     
  13. St1ckM4n

    St1ckM4n TS Evangelist Posts: 3,473   +622

    @wangwangdoodle I agree with you - 'next-gen' consoles are DOA.

    There is simply no way that 1-2 years of extra familiarity with the SDK and hardware will help - these boxes aren't new and they aren't crazy unique like last time. Add in the fact that both consoles are hindered; Xbox reserves two CPU cores and 10% GPU power for Kinect etc; PS4 is recording gameplay non-stop - there is no help.

    If after 7-8 years they can't get the console to output 1080p (pretty much a standard since 3 years ago) then they are of no interest to me.
     
  14. I like the specs comparison of the next gen consoles. I remember when the 360 and ps3 came out it graphically did better than my new pc did at that time. With these I thought history would repeat itself and out power my now 2yr old 2600k and a 7950. Guess not, Bf4 still looks better on my old stuff lol and I dont have to upscale.
     
  15. mosu

    mosu TS Enthusiast Posts: 308

    Maybe I'd missed that article, but nobody seems to give a rat's *** about Jaguar cores running on DDR5 in PS4. Maybe some tests CPU-wise on both consoles would be interesting...
     
  16. misor

    misor TS Maniac Posts: 1,020   +153

    haha. I don't really understand benchmarks (and similar things like it) but that's we get for the decision of Microsoft and sony to offer a 'closed' console system.
    maybe it's time for both Microsoft and sony corporation to offer 'barebone consoles'. the enthusiast gamer could then select/buy/install latest compatible gpu from either NVidia or AMD to accommodate his gaming needs.
     
  17. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,512   +314

    Well the Xbox bit is correct but the Playstation part isn't quite right, the Playstation has dedicated hardware for recording so it doesn't have an effect on GPU power.

    Agreed completely with @wangwangdoodle though, these things were DOA, They needed a bit of extra power GPU wise to last another 5+ years.

    I really hope because the PS4 has considerably more power on tap and slightly easier to program for that multi-platform games will still make use of the PS4 power with better framerates and Graphics abilities, maybe even less load screens if it can render more.

    If multi-platform games don't bother though just means the Exclusive games to Playstation will use most of it's power, if the Last of Us is anything to go by, I'm extremely excited about what Naughty Dog do with this extra power :)
     
  18. nazartp

    nazartp TS Enthusiast Posts: 205   +10

    Yep. I'm not really worried about PC gaming. When a brand new console has roughly the same CPU processing power as my tablet, it's a joke. And the graphics chips are nothing to write home about. Realistically, these consoles are behind times in terms of gaming prowess from the get go. Why bother then?
     
  19. WangDangDoodle

    WangDangDoodle TS Rookie Posts: 47   +13

    Through this whole past generation of consoles I was telling people it would be so cool if we could upgrade that silly old Xbox 360 like a PC. It seems Steam is going to offer us just that with their Steam-Box thing. I really hope that catches on, because this "next-gen" of consoles is DOA, as St1ckM4n pointed out.
     
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  20. Interesting how the phrase : "pheww!!! im not worried about pc games anymore", because for pc gamers, for some time now there is that thought in the back of your heads, PC gaming is not growing, and is for course also not dying anytime soon, but consoles, are here to stay for another 10 years and thats for sure, why ? out of control piracy
     
  21. tonylukac

    tonylukac TS Maniac Posts: 914   +22

  22. Ranger12

    Ranger12 TS Guru Posts: 637   +117

    It's
    Bitcoin has done this more than once. The price starts to rise, people take notice, everyone piles on thinking they can get rich quick at which point it becomes useless and the bottom falls out. I have a feeling this is a repeat. It's great If you can buy low and sell before it tanks but then you'd just be contributing to its uselessness. Bitcoin is useful when it facilitates transaction, just like any other currency.
     
  23. It is up to the developers to choose how to design their games...

    xbox1 has no hardware limitations in running 4k games...

    the ps4 CANNOT play games BEYOND 1080p... it can only show 4k movies and pictures

    people harp on xb1 playing 1 game native at 720 and not 1080 but completely glaze over the fact that the ps4 DOESNT play the SAME game native at 1080 either... it is 900

    put that in your pipe and smoke it

    the ps4 is hardware limited from the start...... it cannot even play mp3
     
  24. St1ckM4n

    St1ckM4n TS Evangelist Posts: 3,473   +622

    Actually guest, COD Ghosts runs 720p on Xbox and 1080p on PS4.

    Secondly, where is proof that PS4 can't output 4K? It has the exact same GPU architecture.

    Thirdly, blocking MP3's is not a hardware limitation at all.
     
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  25. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,119   +1,523

    ^^^ Thank you St1ckM4n, I wanted to argue but didn't have the right words to say.
     
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