Hello people, how's it cooling? (sorry, my jokes are lame...) I'm not sure if anyone remembers (or if I even posted that stuff here...), but before I kept on insisting on how much better the X850XT was than the 7600GT. People kept implying that the 7600GT was newer, better, and had new technology (SM3), but I totally threw that off with "X850XT is faster, no games really make use of SM3!". As I now have a X850XT, I see where I was wrong - from a gamer's view of point, I was partially correct; from a programmer's point of view, I was totally off. My X850XT at most supports SM2. Now that I've gone into shader programming, I realize how much this limits me. I need more - I need SM3. Heck, even more. SM4. So, I'm off for a new(er) graphics card. My current X850XT will go into my "general family pc" which has a nice Gigabyte board with a 6100 IGP an a 400W Fortron - it'll spruce it up nicely, especially when my little bro wants to play games on it. I have $24 to spend. Ha, what was your reaction with that? Yes, I currently have $24 to spend. I'm 14, have no job, no allowance, and thus no money income. However, according to my parents, I'm 99% sure I'll be getting $100 for my upcoming B-day. So that's just about $125 to round it nicely. Now: $125 is what my limit should be based around. I *might* twist and turn another $15 if it really comes down to it. If it comes down to a bigger limit expansion, I guess I'll be able to wait a bit more to save some more. Anyways, for the sake of this post, let's put my max limit at $130. Now, what I'm looking for, is a nice, flexible, "fast-enough" card that supports newer technology. SM3 is a must, SM4 is a big-want. Given that I don't have much to choose from right now for SM4, my question becomes more of a ... how good is the 8600GT? Mainly I'm looking to compare its speed to a 7600GT, and its overall quality/overclockablity/features (obviously other than SM4)... How about to something like a 7900GS? Another card is the 8600GTS. What about that one? How does it compare to the 8600GT? As far as I can see from a quick look, its simply faster (still 32 stream processors). I also see it has a larger memory bandwidth. Any good SM3 solutions to my problem? Although... SM4 is a big one... not sure if I really want a SM3 card. Unless it's a lot faster than an equivalent D3D10/SM4 card (price-wise). So, what are your thoughts on this stuff? I'm really looking to change my card soon, so don't suggest anything like "save up another 100 and get a 8800GTS" . Thanks, and peace! BTW, my mobo is an NF590SLI. This means I'd be able to SLI 2 cards together. So maybe get one now and later on simply get 1 more, and SLI them? But I'll pretty much need a new PSU. My current one is a 480W TruepowerII by Antec.