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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by yyiiyyii, Apr 4, 2007.

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  1. Chimworth Newcomer, in training Posts: 32

    This is a major issue that keeps us from going "green". Most people won't pay the extra money for any given item just because it is better for the environment. They will calculate the savings from use-cost to see if it will pay for the extra item-cost which is always like years and years and never do it. (all though I think anyone with a hummer or navigator can afford 2 hybrid civics)

    The sad thing is that when we continue to shop this way they will continue to make them that way. Does anyone think that if all of us refused to buy inefficient products that they would just disappear? I think they would start producing eco-friendly anythings at an alarming rate!

    But I also think this, we have all done this too, but if there is something(reasonable) that you really want you find a way to get it. You really can't come up with the extra 200.00$ to get the eco washing machine instead? Even waiting a couple more weeks or whatever?

    You will know when you ask yourself, because you are the only person that you can't hide true feelings of guilt from. Live with your decisions and don't blame the rest of the world on how you justify doing the wrong thing.
  2. SNGX1275 TS Special Forces Posts: 11,915   +119

    Come on IBN, you've complained (in a roundabout way) in at least 2 threads now in Meeting Spot about Karma. There is a thread in Site Comments all about it post there. Everyone already knows you are against it, ignore it or PM Julio, but don't keep littering threads about it.

    Now with that out of the way - The fish thing even if it were true, it comes at a price, there would be incredible water pollution from live fish waste, and you have to feed the fish, they don't just grow by drinking water. All of that food then has to come from animal byproducts and/or crops, the efficiency rate of converting fish food into fish mass for people to eat is pretty low, might as well feed the humans the crops and animal byproducts.

    As for the drug dealers, I imagine they get punished pretty hard with the thought that if you remove the dealer you may remove some users. The problem with drug users is once you become addicted to meth, heroin, coke you run a high risk of becoming a screwup in society - losing your job may be a start, which then you aren't paying taxes, and have no legitimate source of income. Then how do you pay for the drugs, crime. It may be false logic to think removing the dealer eliminates the users, but thats how the lawmakers see it. There is also a lot of law breaking going on to get the drugs to the dealer.
  3. Nodsu Newcomer, in training Posts: 9,431

    As for the fish.. What would you feed to the fish? Used tires?

    Meat is very inefficient in the sense that you need a lot more of food to feed that critter than you would ever get from eating the thing later on. Animals are not a way to save the world from hunger.

    Yes, meat is good if you want to convert grass to something that humans can eat, but then you might as well grow rice and soy in place of that grassland. Any energy conversion step will waste a whole lot of it and you get much more out of sun->plant->food than sun->plant->animal->food.
  4. IBN TechSpot Maniac Posts: 624

    If the richest nations donated 1% of their income there would be more than enough (in fact there would be a surplus) to provide food, water, medicine and education for all the third world countries.

    The fact is that they simply dont want to do it.
  5. Chimworth Newcomer, in training Posts: 32

    Would natural resources deplete so rapidly if the human population wasn't so large? There is your source for all of the problems... why does everything have to expand and grow so much?
  6. mikescorpio81 Newcomer, in training Posts: 574

    I agree Nodsu; rice would be the way to go.

    But you really should check out that doco I saw ... genetically bred fish that grow at an alarming rate and it wasn't really costing him much in feeding them and whatnot.

    Good on him for trying! He's on the right track :)
     
  7. yyiiyyii Newcomer, in training Posts: 108



    are u sure about this fact it sounds very made up. a fact like should be posted with proof.

    I could say that rich countries already donate 2% if or something. Of course i dont know how much they donate.


    I do know the America gives billions of dollars to poorer countires.

    Also If u want to donate some of the money u have to a poor country then feel free to do so. It is good to lead by example i think


    Also if u do want to donate money to a charity then check out the percent the charity gives at http://www.bbb.org
    They should give at least 80% to there cause
  8. chamillitarysk8 Newcomer, in training Posts: 168

    ok look antimatter is the same mass as the mater used to create it and as of now we can create a very very very tiny amount of antimatter for more info look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter
  9. Nodsu Newcomer, in training Posts: 9,431

    Read it in detail?

  10. IBN TechSpot Maniac Posts: 624

    Its not made up at all. These inferences are derived from the UN Development Reports. Plus the main reason hindering the development of the Third World is debt. So it has to be donations not loans.
  11. Nodsu Newcomer, in training Posts: 9,431

    Surely those development reports are published somewhere?
  12. IBN TechSpot Maniac Posts: 624

    They are available HERE.
  13. Envergure Newcomer, in training Posts: 153

    The world is a really stupid place.
    There. I said it.
  14. Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,246   +16

    Why do you live in it then? Or do you have your own definition of "world", per se?
  15. Nodsu Newcomer, in training Posts: 9,431

    So which one has the 1% thing in it? Or should I read them all?
  16. IBN TechSpot Maniac Posts: 624

    When I was studying Geography back in College I cam across it in a textbook (which I have in front of me) The exact quote I cant find. The quote actually said if the richest 10 men or something similar, that if they donated then it would be enough for.......

    Its not hard to believe as the richest 1% own 40% of the Worlds assets.

    The UN Development Report is for the year 2003. HERE is an article by Columbia University economist Jeffrey D. Sachs is special advisor to United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan on the Millennium Development Goals, and Sakiko Fukuda-
    Parr is director of the U.N.'s 2003 Human Development Report. He is asking for 7/10 of 1%, so even less.

    PS
    The article is in pdf format.