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What's going on?

By Rik
Dec 10, 2007
  1. Hi everyone, it has come to my attention that Howard's name has been deleted from almost all of his sticky threads. Whats going on? Is TS now denying his existence. He wrote those threads after all.

    I mean, credit where credit is due!!

    Anyone feel it's wrong as I do?
     
  2. Daveskater

    Daveskater Banned Posts: 1,687

    I agree with you, mate, it should be left there.

    It's his work and for all the things he did for us over the 4 years he was here it's only fair that we leave the one thing in that thread that give him the credit.
     
  3. Spleenharvester

    Spleenharvester TS Enthusiast Posts: 47

  4. Rik

    Rik Banned Topic Starter Posts: 3,814

    Thought everyone knew the story by now.

    Howard made the threads, Howard deleted the threads, they have been re-instated, but his name has been deleted from them.
     
  5. Daveskater

    Daveskater Banned Posts: 1,687

    Some of the threads have been re-posted via a copy and paste from the Google cache but Julio has re-posted some in some crazy magical Admin way so that the original thread number stays intact
     
  6. Rik

    Rik Banned Topic Starter Posts: 3,814

    Thta's right, and when Julio restored them they did still have Howards name at the bottom, now they don't.
     
  7. Daveskater

    Daveskater Banned Posts: 1,687

    I think that's crazy, it's the least we could do for him, really. It's not like it takes any effort to leave it there. I admit it looks kind of strange having "Regards Howard :)" at the end when somebody other than Howard has posted it but it should still be left IMHO
     
  8. Po`Girl

    Po`Girl TS Rookie Posts: 595

    I have to admit,I did notice the legendary spyware thread has a new author. :D
     
  9. Daveskater

    Daveskater Banned Posts: 1,687

    I just remembered, me and someone else (sorry, forgotten your name :blush:) tried to repost a couple of Howard's threads, ending the thread title in "by howard_hpokinso" and they didn't get stickied, however i reposted mine again without that suffix and they were stickied.
     
  10. nickslick74

    nickslick74 TS Rookie Posts: 575

    Why did Howard leave? I must have missed something in not posting recently.
     
  11. Rik

    Rik Banned Topic Starter Posts: 3,814

  12. nickslick74

    nickslick74 TS Rookie Posts: 575

    Ah, thanks Rik. Hope he is able to recover and enjoy himself again.
     
  13. kirock

    kirock TS Rookie Posts: 1,221

    If Howard deleted his posts when he left, is it possible he's been back deleting his name from them when he saw them back up? I'm just suggesting a possible explanation. If that is not the case.....I would prefer his name remains intact (for what little my opinion is worth, but each drop helps fill a glass)
     
  14. mailpup

    mailpup TS Special Forces Posts: 6,979   +362

    I suspect there is a reason for it and it's between Howard and Julio or at least it's Julio's call. Anyway, it's likely on a need-to-know basis and you and I don't need to know. :)
     
  15. Rik

    Rik Banned Topic Starter Posts: 3,814

    If Howard had deleted his name from the threads himself then it would say "Edited by Howard_Hopkinso" at the bottom of the threads but it doesn't which seems to prove that it wasnt Howard that removed his name from them, and that it was someone else.
     
  16. that hits me deep that his threads and posts are being deleted. there's all kinds of helpful information in them. it's not even the fact that it's disrespectful towards howard, but it's disrespectful to everyone else. deleting something that's helping others is wrong on so many levels, especially when it's from someone loved by everyone.

    if it WAS howard, and he feels they need to be taken down, then by all means. that is his decision, not ours and it would be disrespectful towards him to suggest otherwise. that's a whole other scenario.

    but as it is, and with respect to what Rik suggests, i'm stunned and appalled by the deletions.

    howard's departure was almost symbolic of him passing away. those threads are there as a momento. a monument to his achievements and his gift of kindness and information to others. the least that should be done is create a collection of all the posts he has made, and put them somewhere in memory of him.

    perhaps even a forum dedicated to posts about howard. and we could even write a sort of...eulogy of sorts.

    but really...i can't help but reiterate how wrong the deletion of his posts feels. it's like they're desecrating holy ground. maybe some of you might feel that description to be extreme, but understand this is out of pure and utmost respect for howard. he's sick after all.
     
  17. Rik

    Rik Banned Topic Starter Posts: 3,814

  18. i know he only left. and he was mentally unstable. i've read that thread. most of what i've written is meant figuratively, not literally.
     
  19. Daveskater

    Daveskater Banned Posts: 1,687

    I know Rik's already said this, but another thing is that Howard couldn't edit the posts because he has left the forum and his account will be deactivated, effectively deleted.

    On the threads without his name on, I don't think it said that they've been edited at all so that would mean that it was either taken off before the Submit Post button was pressed, or edited within a minute or so of posting.

    Edit: I may have been wrong about Howard's account being effectively deleted, because i just found this post: http://www.techspot.com/vb/post546786-26.html
     
  20. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,714   +397

    There seems to be some misinformation here.

    As far as I know there was no magical resurrecting of Howard's threads. They had to be painstakingly done by hand. In order to get the original Howard written threads back Per Hasson would have had to load up the backup database from the day before Howard went on his rampage. This would wipe out all new members and new posts and threads since then. We (TS) could not let 1 guy cause that much trouble for the boards. So as far as I know they were hand written from the google cache (something any of you guys did but no one stepped up) and formatted manually.

    Regardless of how fine of a member Howard was when he was here, his departing actions were completely unacceptable. I understand your concern for him but his actions on leaving hurt the forums just about as bad as he could have. If he would have done any more damage, the forums would have been restored from a backup, the way he left was silent and only taking out his threads, which went unnoticed by the mods until it was too late to do any restoration without further damage. From a distructive standpoint, it was about the most beautiful thing he could have done.

    Instead of letting this thread turn into more of a rally against the TS Staff and Mods I'm going to close it.
     
  21. Julio Franco

    Julio Franco TechSpot Editor Posts: 7,059   +645

    SNGX, I couldn't have put it better myself. That sums up whatever I had to say on the matter.

    Rik, I hope you are more of a TechSpot Evangelist (by your title) than a Howard evangelist.

    I'm already past of what happened and it took me some effort to manually recover the (partial) threads from our backups. I did not remove the Howard signature but I had to post with my own username because, well, that's how the forum works. I did not want to bother hacking the database info further.

    Please refrain from posting further comments, there is no more discussion to be made on the matter. We (TechSpot) did nothing wrong, perhaps we were just too naive and let one of our most regarded users take control of content that did not belong to him. End of story.
     
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