Windows 7 will ship without IE in the EU

You know, I hope Microsoft does everything it can to direct people to download Internet Explorer 8 as this is crap. They should also make them strip it of Windows Defender for obvious reasons.

Oh and they should also tell Apple to stop packing OSX with Safari.

Drama over having to download and install a browser, give me a break.
IE has sucked for a long time, if I have to use it, I use Green Browser (freeware mod).
Safari 4.0 is very fast, but sites like Pogo don't currently work with it, ditto for Chrome.
Opera 10 beta is pretty slick!
Firefox 3.5 is OK, getting a little slow in comparison.
Try them all, stick with your favorite.

Yet seeing as how Apple is a proprietary entity, I don't quite think that will happen. They aren't subject to the same anti-trust lawsuits that microsoft is.

windows update already works in vista without using IE as such. you dont go to a webpage like in windows xp.

in theory if silverlight is truly cross-browser compatible, MS will just concentrate on making the Microsoft site use that and let people get on with it.

Personally I will still download internet explorer. I dont use it now as home as I use Firefox but I dont have a massive issue using it and sometimes its useful to test pages or access incompatible sites. Sometimes its useful to just run a website "vanilla" rather than the anti scripting/flash tools that i have installed in firefox.

I wonder how Microsoft will get the browser out to people without web access. Some programs will rely on a web browser and if the OS doesnt come installed with one, how do you get one on there anyway..

in fact... how does anyone get one on there unless they already have a copy of a browser on disk?

Quoted for stupidity. This was mentioned in the article.

By the way, I downloaded safari 4 today and it doesnt have the funky fonts and smoothness that appear on my macbook. Thats the only reason i would use it above firefox but it just uses standard fonts and no smoothing. Pretty much binned for me.

If you download the FF add-on IETab [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419] you can access the update page without using IE. Works in XP and 7. There is also an icon on the bottom of the FF window that allows you to change to the IE view and back to FF for any web site. There is no longer any reason to use IE in XP anymore. I use it in 7 as well. It's just easier to access the update page from a bookmark than navigating through the garbage that is 7's start menu. (actually after spending several hours figuring where everything on the start menu was stored, I've managed to get it to where I don't consider it as garbage anymore).

Surely just making it removable is enough? Having to have another comp to download a browser separately is going to be a pain for some people. Also removing IE doesn't really make other browsers more available if people want an alternate browser they will get one. I'm no IE fan but this is going too far in my opinion.

Well, if I was a retailer I'd offer a free 2GB flash drive with each purchase loaded with all the popular freeware browsers. Kind of like a toy with your happymeal! Then I'd be sued by the EU commissioners for unfair sales tactics. :rolleyes:

it would be most logical to have an option while installing/upgrading to win 7 if you want to install IE or not.

So how are you goin to access the web? How are you going to download firefox if you want that without a web browser? Are they going to include a ftp client? (besides textbased version). IE you will of course get with windows update, but if you dont want to use that at all, how are you going to solve that?? .. Firefox and others complaints hare rediculus, the EU ruling is insane. So if i make an OS, i can include my products??? How come Linux ships with mozilla? How can that be allowed? ... I dont care if people like IE or not, but forcing a company to remove one of their products from one of theit other products is hardly sane. If you dont like IE, dont use it...but with IE you can easy get another browse, hardly damages firefox, it rather improves their chanses instead. ...I know a lot of our customers that hardly know how to turn on a computer will get big problems with this decision to exclude IE. ...they usually understand how to use IE to get firefox...but now?

awww yes... nerdy guys on youtube complaining.. no bashing windows vista.

tell me something Mr. "i use for normal daily use"

do you have a screen saver that DOESNT work due to the Microsoft wireless mouse issue (MS admits in their knowledge base website that there is no work around for this which includes MS wireless mouse, AND logictec wireless mouse causing screensavers not to work... look it up) AND do you have to manually hit ctrl alt shift at user login and manually run "explorer.exe" just to get your start menu, desktop background and icons to show (another known bug that MS claims to have a fix but doesnt fix the problem at all. Infact doing a google search on this subject comes up with over a million results a month ago)?

I can tell you that I use my HP vista laptop for "normal" use such as internet... and that's it. Nothing was installed on the computer just the normal HP crap (which really is pretty decent now days compared to my 2005 hp laptop).

Oh and lets not forget I can't view anything in full screen.

Yea... Vista sucks, and im not even close to being like the nerds on youtube bashing vista.

If computerworld.com is saying 7 is all that plus a bag of beans, then im game.... BUT like all OS's i'll wait a good year or two before buying the upgrade for my selfbuilt desktop. As for the laptop, i'll plead to HP to give me the upgrade from vista 64bit to 7 64bit.

I don't totally agree with this. Windows 7 installation should include an advanced button where a user can pre install a browser from Windows Update. There should be a list of all major browsers including:

Internet Explorer,
Mozilla Firefox,
Google Chrome,
Safari,
Opera.

When the user selects an option or selects many options, the installer should detect internet connection and connects with Windows Update. From there the latest version of the selected browsers will be installed. Upon Windows 7 setup is complete you should have all the selected browsers already installed on the system.

That is a major step forward that Microsoft should include in the installation of Windows 7.
I hope this suggestion is heard from all Microsoft related staff.

Maybe they will ship a second disk with internet explorer on it, or maybe it will come in a separate directory on the windows 7 disk.

If Opera and every other browser manufacturer want to dispute that or complain, let them stick their browser on disks and send them to MS to be packaged and sent out with Windows 7 as well.

Macs ship with Safari. At least IE should be an option.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8096701.stm

BBC are reporting that Microsoft will make it easy to get IE. Probably as an easy option via Windows Update. This assumes the broadband connection that you have is already configured on the old router

I agree that IE sucks compared to other browsers. Web development has been one of my hobbies and IE was always the thorn in my side.

But you have to keep people in mind who don't want to have to think about this stuff, and just want it to "go". There are a lot of people who will buy Windows 7 just wanting it to plug and play who will now have to deal with downloading a browser without using a browser, adding unnecessary stress, and probably resulting in a glut of helpdesk calls. This isn't a positive step.