Windows 8 security feature could block dual-booting Linux

By Jos
Sep 22, 2011
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  1. Microsoft's new secure-boot functionality in Windows 8 could prevent some users from running both Windows and Linux on their pre-built PCs, according multiple reports. Red Hat developer Matthew Garrett blogged…

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  2. tehbanz

    tehbanz TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 181   +9

    Saw this in slashdot yesterday, general consensus there was that it's not Microsoft's doing, it's the hardware manufacturers doing.
  3. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,105   +18

    I've been moderately excited about Windows 8, but the recent spate of announcements has caused my enthusiasm to diminish considerably.

    As the article says, hardly anyone runs Linux and people who build their own systems should be able to bypass it, but I don't like how things are going. But I suppose it's just inevitable.
  4. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 13,010   +218

    you must be on the payroll of Microsoft, OR a professional Comedian
    :giggle: :lol: :wave:
  5. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 13,010   +218

    didn't anyone see the wiki on the subject?

    Linux has been using the UEI for sometime now.

    Talking aboud F.U.D. (look it up)!
  6. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TechSpot Booster Posts: 654   +34

    I'm sure Linux users will find a simple way of allowing it to run duel boot. Linux users and devs are very technically savvy.
  7. I had been excited about Windows 8 but this is a downer. I was going to by a new computer but have been thinking of waiting for 8 to come out but honestly I want to easily use Linux. I'm using Linux now.
  8. 1%? really? how did you come up with that figure? See ubuntu on facebook. Users now reaching a half-mil not including other linux web pages. Personally, I like ubuntu linux because there's no virus crap that can lay my pc in ruin. I can browse the internet with no worries. Boot from a live usb and start using it. Remaster a dvd for an all-in-one installation. Rescue my files from windows. Heck even a noob can do it.
  9. I boot a live ubuntu usb on my new macbook. It uses EFI too right? My only problem was I could not read my internal hd as well as sound support. But I just plug-in a usb speaker and all is well.
  10. aj_the_kidd

    aj_the_kidd Newcomer, in training Posts: 555

    In your little world every man and his dog may use linux, but if you step outside your world and come into this little place we call reality you will realize hardly anyone knows about linux let alone uses it. FYI as stated in the article "Linux barely holds 1% of the market"

    Back on topic, i think this little security feature will be easily overcome by developers
  11. I see a Big "L" in windows 8 future. The trend now is compatibility for all systems. Look at android, google chrome, linux. Don't follow Apple's footsteps lest you become a minority later on.
  12. Usage share of operating systems for August 2011
    Windows XP (35.21%)
    Windows 7 (31.21%)
    Windows Vista (11.27%)
    Mac OS X (7.31%)
    iOS (3.38%)
    Linux (2.25%)
  13. SammyJames

    SammyJames TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 168

    You're probably right about overcoming the limitation. But even more on-point, I agree that Linux isn't that useful. I've downloaded, installed, and modified various Linux distros. They all suck for one reason: I can't build a working synthesizer-based DAW with any of 'em.

    It's become even more difficult to do that, now that the kernel has moved away from real-time processing. Yes, I know, I know -- I could still use an older rt kernel, or try to develop one myself. But that wouldn't be a good use of my time. I need an efficient real-time OS -- and although Windows doesn't do rt, at least ASIO drivers come as close as possible. And ASIO runs on Windows. (Don't even get me started on WHINE -- I mean, uh, WINE...)

    Linux uses Jack and something else -- OAS or something like that. Whatever. I got sick of crashes, lockups, and no good available software for download that DIDN'T use Jack -- which has been called "the weakest link in audio production on Linux.".

    I gave up on it. And to top it off, Linux is just Windows -- without all of the commercial support for Windows. You can't even use a Linux distro without a mouse. The whole thing is a JOKE.

    Later.

    - S
     
  14. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,105   +18

    No, I just have a good command of the English language when it comes to choosing my adverbs, and the ability to read a pie chart when it comes to OS usage.
  15. SammyJames

    SammyJames TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 168

    Well... uh...

    A half-mil = 500,000 people.

    How many Windows XP users are there?

    Answer: 38% (of what, exactly?) Well, probably about a billion PCs world-wide.

    http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

    So, if you are talking about a measly half-million, as opposed to the nearly BILLION computers out there, this is how we get the "1%" figure.

    The point isn't even that. Look -- if something works well for you, then cool! USE it. This is what is exciting about life -- is that, if you aren't hurting anyone by doing something, then DO it. And be proud and happy about it.

    People love to try to control each other. This leads only to sadness and despair, because you can't control humans. When humans control themselves, then real beauty happens. But anyway -- I'm going WAY off-topic. Just do what you gotta do, and stop being so pernicious about Linux vs. The World.

    Really? Nobody cares. Hell -- if I could get my PC to accept a totally custom-made OS that used ONLY the ASCII keyboard -- without needing a mouse -- I'd be happier than a pig in ----

    :)

    - S
  16. 2011 Win7 Vista Win2003 WinXP Linux Mac Mobile
    August 40.4% 5.9% 0.8% 38.0% 5.2% 8.2% 0.9%

    http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp


    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
    Benjamin Disraeli
  17. Tomorrow_Rains

    Tomorrow_Rains TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 179

    Is sarcasm really necessary to get your point across? More than 1% use Linux. Deal with it.
  18. :haha::haha::haha::haha:
  19. hitech0101

    hitech0101 TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 423   +19

    Then why is everyone talking about it.
  20. @SammyJames: What? You don't even need to use any GUI in Linux. You can surf the internet from the terminal if you wanted to. Mr Ignorance stop talking about what you know nothing of.
  21. Det

    Det Newcomer, in training Posts: 84

    Every friggin' news here (or just about anywhere) about Windows and Linux gets filled with comments about which one is better.

    Since this is the 500.000th time it is really starting get friggin' annoying. Just use which one you like and shut up.
  22. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 13,010   +218

    That was my tongue-in-cheek point. Qualified experience needs not to diss another while limited experience seems to roll in it - - :sigh:

    Those that have been here awaile know I'm an agnostic when it comes to platforms and use them all.
    hmm; some can't use a tennis racket either but those that do have great fun and some even get well paid for doing so
    eg: Linux servers are a kick to work with.

    Yawn...
  23. SammyJames

    SammyJames TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 168

    Uh...

    What the heck was THAT?!

    I AM TALKING about the GUI in Linux -- be it GNOME, KDE, or whatever else.

    My point is that I want a GUI THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A MOUSE.

    I said NOTHING about using the terminal.to "surf the Internet."

    And as far as ignorance goes...

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=surfing the internet

    Hah.

    - S
  24. SammyJames

    SammyJames TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 168

    @jobeard:

    Hey -- you're right. And I apologize for seeming to foist a view upon you that you did not express. That was my mistake -- and I didn't realize it until I had already posted the comment. I just wasn't expecting to get mauled by someone who wasn't reading my post carefully enough (meaning, of course, the "Guest" who over-reacted to my comment about the mouse.)

    I just hate the mouse. That's it. I know -- maybe I'm off-topic. But Linux bugs me because I always envisioned it as being a counter-culture operating system -- one that would be more user-configurable. I understand that there are limitations to things -- and I suppose that my view of what an OS should be all about is different from what most others might think.

    Again -- this is what makes life fun. We have endless chances -- opportunities -- to do cool things. Let's try to do that together, instead of ripping each other apart.
  25. I use both Windows and Linux so this does interest me. I run websites that use shared hosting so uploading to these websites from home is a lot safer in Linux. Besides, I love Gimp, Kino etc. I mostly use Ubuntu/Mint. They are brilliant.

    I still use Windows 7 on this drive now and then and would prefer to purchase a Windows 8 machine that I can use Linux on as well. I have four drives (only three in the image below) that I use interchangeably on my system; two with Windows and two with Linux:

    https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/34F145p34g_qc7XESncItMeSFEbI8NoLw2wb6hf38Cw?feat=directlink


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