Xbox Series X is Microsoft's new game console for 2020

[brucek]

If they do use a NVMe SSD (as it looks like), then yeah, they could. As long as the rest of the components support those speeds.

I have NVMe SSDs, not to mention gigabytes of free RAM, and even an Optane drive on top of that. And I still have load times in current games. They're very brief of course, but they are non-zero.

btw I'm not sure NVMe is super relevant for loading a level on a home device running a single game. It is a big deal for the data center with high queue depth but that's not what we have here.

 

[m3tavision]

The point of devices having standardized shapes and even sizes (like stereo equipment) is so that you can arrange all of your devices in an organized way and have them look OK together.

It's not that I dislike the new form factor on its own merits, it's that it means this device isn't going to fit on the same size shelf everything else does.

While I don't doubt cooling was the number one factor, part of me wonders if they also wanted to make it so most people would have to place this somewhere it was fully visible. In some households that strategy might backfire with it ending up banished out of the main living room.

Correct^
Two ideas on this.
one: It is different, so that you don't put it in a cabinets because it's needs cooling.
two: On it's side, it is no bigger than an standard A/V unit facing you. And will easily sit on any A/V rack, it just won't be as deep as a typical AV/Receiver.

 

[m4a4]

I have NVMe SSDs, not to mention gigabytes of free RAM, and even an Optane drive on top of that. And I still have load times in current games. They're very brief of course, but they are non-zero.

btw I'm not sure NVMe is super relevant for loading a level on a home device running a single game. It is a big deal for the data center with high queue depth but that's not what we have here.

I don't believe they mean all loading times (not with how big games will be getting), but the classic "loading new part of level" (or simple main menu loads). Granted, even loading the initial game files (or a level) will still be pretty darn quick to what we're used to. I remember back in the day Skyrim on Xbox 360 taking around a minute for loading a save...

Also, if they setup the NVMe SSD, DDR6 RAM, and the rest of the architecture on the motherboard (to take advantage of those speeds), they'll certainly have an advantage over a lot of existing gaming rigs for load speeds.

 

[hel0sn8]

even if you wait for the specs, whatever you build will be at its limits by the end of that generation anyway, what the consoles can do at their price points is amazing when you compare it to PC.

even the beefiest gpu available now will for some reason (money) be struggling in a few short years.

What? The beefiest GPU right now WONT struggle for likely the next 2-3 years. And it will crush the new Xbox and PlayStation. Namely a RTX2080ti. Consoles are horrid. On release they have mid range graphics chips that cannot be upgraded so just age. They can never keep up. The price point is reached by releasing with inferior mid range tech. Its not cutting edge, not by a long shot. Please get informed. Madness someone saying they can be compared to a PC. My GTX1080 will likely challenge these consoles. And its 3 years old!

 

[Irata]

Just a thought: What if the next X Box can do 4k 60 fps with ray tracing *on* ?

 

[scavengerspc]

Well, MS has always sucked at naming Xbox successors.

Yea. Especially up against the deep and innovative 2, 3, 4 and 5.

 

[mrtraver]

Yea. Especially up against the deep and innovative 2, 3, 4 and 5.

LOL point taken. But basically all Xbox generations have the same name anyway.
- Xbox - retroactively referred to (by the general public) as Xbox 1 after another generation was released.
- Xbox 360 - if you turn 360 degrees you are back exactly where you started. So still Xbox 1 in name.
- Xbox One - umm, no, this is the 3rd, not the first.

I guess this strategy will avoid the issue of going from Xbox 8 to Xbox 10. Which will probably be name Xbox X anyway.

 

[OptimumSlinky]

Xbox 360 was called that because consumers are *****s and associate larger numbers with "more better." If Xbox 2 had gone up against PlayStation 3, people would assume PS3 was better because 3 > 2. Ergo, Xbox 360.

That said, Xbox Series X is atrocious. Xbox Elite, Xbox Infinite, or even just Xbox would have been preferable.

 

[mrtraver]

even if you wait for the specs, whatever you build will be at its limits by the end of that generation anyway, what the consoles can do at their price points is amazing when you compare it to PC.

even the beefiest gpu available now will for some reason (money) be struggling in a few short years.

I agree about what consoles can do at their price points. The optimizations developers can make with fixed hardware specs are nothing short of amazing. Just look at Panzer Dragoon Orta the original Xbox - no way that game should have looked as good as it did on that hardware. Or Starmaster or Solaris for the Atari 2600 - 3D-ish space combat sims on a console made for Pong-style games!

I don't agree so much on the beefiest GPU struggling in a few years. Maybe in five years a GTX 20180 Ti won't be able to run the newest Assassin's Far Call of Battlefield (or even Crysis) at maxed settings in 8k, but I bet you will still be able to have an enjoyable experience. I used a GTX 480 for gaming until it died this week. Granted, I did have to turn down settings on most modern games, but they were all very playable at 1920x1080 with this GPU released over nine years ago.

 

[OptimumSlinky]

I agree about what consoles can do at their price points. The optimizations developers can make with fixed hardware specs are nothing short of amazing.

While I'd love to see the next-gen machines commit to 60-fps across the board, if you can accept 30-fps, it's truly astounding what PS4 devs have pulled out of that machine. God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, Spider-Man, Horizon: Zero Dawn all look breathtaking.

 

[Markoni35]

X-Brick?

 

[brian7800]

For mass production and price, consoles will forever be a generation PC behind at minimum. The only time this wasnt the case was when Big Blue swung their hammer, and the price was so high they lost that generation's war.

You're wrong. Xbox Series X uses RDNA 2 which isn't even out on PC yet this destroys AMDs best card the 5700xt. In 2005 the 360 launched with a tri core cpu with 6 threads and unified shaders for the GPU none of which was possible to get on PC most pcs in 2005 ran single core cpus dual cores weren't the norm.

 

[brian7800]

What? The beefiest GPU right now WONT struggle for likely the next 2-3 years. And it will crush the new Xbox and PlayStation. Namely a RTX2080ti. Consoles are horrid. On release they have mid range graphics chips that cannot be upgraded so just age. They can never keep up. The price point is reached by releasing with inferior mid range tech. Its not cutting edge, not by a long shot. Please get informed. Madness someone saying they can be compared to a PC. My GTX1080 will likely challenge these consoles. And its 3 years old!

Nope your GTX 1080 gets destroyed series X is 12.155 teraflops of RDNA 2 over 20-30% faster than a 5700xt plus factor in console optimizations and your 2080ti is finished.

 

[Ravalo]

You're wrong. Xbox Series X uses RDNA 2 which isn't even out on PC yet this destroys AMDs best card the 5700xt. In 2005 the 360 launched with a tri core cpu with 6 threads and unified shaders for the GPU none of which was possible to get on PC most pcs in 2005 ran single core cpus dual cores weren't the norm.

What makes you think rdna 2 and zen 3 won’t come out on pc before the xbox series X?

I have to say that im impressed that consoles can now be on par with the current generation (at least in the gpu department and maybe ssd)

With that said the ps5 might actually be a generation behind (the specs are equivalent to a zen 2 cpu and an overclocked rx 5700)

 

[m3tavision]

What makes you think rdna 2 and zen 3 won’t come out on pc before the xbox series X?

I have to say that im impressed that consoles can now be on par with the current generation (at least in the gpu department and maybe ssd)

With that said the ps5 might actually be a generation behind (the specs are equivalent to a zen 2 cpu and an overclocked rx 5700)

Would it matter if they came out on the same day...? It still doesn't discount his post. And closes down MasterMace's post.

Secondly, when someone mentions "generation" they don't mean AMD's chip generation. They mean console.

 

[Ravalo]

Would it matter if they came out on the same day...? It still doesn't discount his post. And closes down MasterMace's post.

Secondly, when someone mentions "generation" they don't mean AMD's chip generation. They mean console.

oh ok, thanks for clarifying lol