Apple: you must be at least 17 years old to use Opera

By on March 3, 2011, 11:00 AM
This week, the Opera web browser became the first non-native browser made available in Apple's Mac App Store. While Apple approved the browser, it still managed to hurt its competitor by putting this ridiculous label on it: "You must be at least 17 years old to download this app."

Opera has reacted in good humor. "I'm very concerned," Jan Standal, VP of Desktop Products for Opera Software, said in a statement. "Seventeen is very young, and I am not sure if, at that age, people are ready to use such an application. It's very fast, you know, and it has a lot of features. I think the download requirement should be at least 18."

The company then offered a workaround for those under 17: just visit opera.com and download it yourself. "We do not ask for your age or your credit card number," an Opera spokesperson pointed out. "Please, get your parents' permission before using this browser."

Remember the big hoopla around Apple blocking alternative browsers on iOS? Cupertino finally had to give up because the legal system got involved. On the Mac, Apple couldn't simply block third-party browsers from the platform because they've been available for years. Still, the company wanted to make Opera look worse than Safari, and this is apparently the company's solution.





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TrekExpert TrekExpert said:

Wow, absolutely ridiculous. They better start putting a warning when you open Safari too. Who knows what people could be using it for /sarcasim.

BrianUMR said:

That is the problem when you gain enough market share. The antitrust people start to come after you. Apples answer allow opera but try and make it look as bad as possible in the process.

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Jesse Jesse said:

Why do people like Apple? I'm so philosophically opposed to what they do, I could never own a Mac even if I liked the OS.

mattfrompa mattfrompa said:

I don't even...no, you know what, I'm not surprised.

matrix86 matrix86 said:

mattfrompa said:

I don't even...no, you know what, I'm not surprised.

Yeah, but...nah, you're right :P We can always count on Apple to amuse us!

mario mario, Ex-TS Developer, said:

It might make some sense, currently the Mac App Store has no parental controls (i think) and the current version of Safari provides this controls and they're integrated with OS X. Now imagine if you're a parent and have set for your children a limit to only have access to certain child-safe webpages, they can bypass them by downloading Opera or any other browser that doesn't use parental controls. It's my believe this is the reason for imposing such a disclaimer.

gwailo247, TechSpot Chancellor, said:

Finding porn is a God given right of every adolescent boy. Putting 4 digit codes on cable boxes didn't stop us back in the day (1 down, 9998 to go), nor will this stop them now.

Nima304 said:

prismatics said:

Why do people like Apple? I'm so philosophically opposed to what they do, I could never own a Mac even if I liked the OS.

I agree completely. I don't see why people buy Macs in the first place.

TeamworkGuy2 said:

Shame on you, Apple, could not fight to competition, so you decided to black ball them... (bad show)

Jibberish18 said:

You gotta love the guys over at Opera.

lchu12 lchu12 said:

gwailo247 said:

Finding porn is a God given right of every adolescent boy. Putting 4 digit codes on cable boxes didn't stop us back in the day (1 down, 9998 to go), nor will this stop them now.

Amen.

Whoaman said:

I think you should have to be over 18 to use any browser. Over 60 would be even better. Just look at all the porn, violence and stockers our youngin's are exposed too.

Just kidding. Nice one Apple - power corrupts.

negroplasty negroplasty said:

prismatics said:

Why do people like Apple? I'm so philosophically opposed to what they do, I could never own a Mac even if I liked the OS.

Agreed.

lawfer, TechSpot Paladin, said:

"Seventeen is very young, and I am not sure if, at that age, people are ready to use such an application. It's very fast, you know, and it has a lot of features. I think the download requirement should be at least 18."

Lol. That was gold.

Yet again, this one of those reasons why I want to slap whoever defends Apple. I just can't conceive it.

aj_the_kidd said:

Nima304 said:

prismatics said:

Why do people like Apple? I'm so philosophically opposed to what they do, I could never own a Mac even if I liked the OS.

I agree completely. I don't see why people buy Macs in the first place.

People buy Macs for the image of sophistication and eliteness, to appear like they are not following the crowd, for the apparently better photo imaging software and the misguided notion that Macs cannot get viruses. I have known people to buy Macs for one or more of these reasons and now they are officially dead to me

Whoaman said:

marioestrada said:

It might make some sense, currently the Mac App Store has no parental controls (i think) and the current version of Safari provides this controls and they're integrated with OS X. Now imagine if you're a parent and have set for your children a limit to only have access to certain child-safe webpages, they can bypass them by downloading Opera or any other browser that doesn't use parental controls. It's my believe this is the reason for imposing such a disclaimer.

Never thought of that - I wasn't aware Safari had those controls in it and just figured they were trying to limit the impact of another browser. A wide open browser without any way to siphon the content would leave the entire internet at a child's fingertips and we all know what that means and could certainly merit that rating assuming parental control in Safari.

Any thoughtful counter-arguments to this rather than the stereotypical Apple-hate-jig?

Kenrick said:

I'm guessing this is a security issue for Apple. Just like in pc, there are many web browsers thus many also have security vulnerabilities that compromise the system.

In mobile, Apple likes a closed system controlled by them to control security issues. I remember there was a jailbreak that uses a vulnerability in safari mobile browser. If that can happen in Safari, there is a good chance it will happen to Opera.

A good move by Apple but not a nice implementation.

aj_the_kidd said:

I guess for the sake of kids, the age restriction was sort of justified, the fact that is negatively impacts Opera is just an added bonus for Apple

If the purpose of the age restriction was to better enforce child safe sites then make it a rule for developers to have that option or ban 3rd party browsers all together, if Apple is that concerned.

supportme said:

Whoaman said:

marioestrada said:

It might make some sense, currently the Mac App Store has no parental controls (i think) and the current version of Safari provides this controls and they're integrated with OS X. Now imagine if you're a parent and have set for your children a limit to only have access to certain child-safe webpages, they can bypass them by downloading Opera or any other browser that doesn't use parental controls. It's my believe this is the reason for imposing such a disclaimer.

Never thought of that - I wasn't aware Safari had those controls in it and just figured they were trying to limit the impact of another browser. A wide open browser without any way to siphon the content would leave the entire internet at a child's fingertips and we all know what that means and could certainly merit that rating assuming parental control in Safari.

Any thoughtful counter-arguments to this rather than the stereotypical Apple-hate-jig?

There are many free apps on the internet to set parental controls in Macs.

What Apple has done is ridiculous. It also shows that they are not confident that Safari is a better browser than Opera.

aj_the_kidd said:

Heres a comment that i found rather amusing

[link] said:

The irony of the situation is that by moving tens of millions of people to smart phones and mobile browsing, he single-handedly kick-started the mobile porn business. Well done, Steve.

kamz999 said:

luv u opera,,,,,,,,,,,

Xclusiveitalian Xclusiveitalian said:

I would do that do Safari is the worst browser I have ever used, period.

Lokalaskurar Lokalaskurar said:

This is simply ridiculous. Unless Apple has a non-Apple-profitable reason, my money's on that the age restriction is simply there because of the Opera logo.

Guest said:

I'm not surprised Opera has (17) label in Apple store. Considering all Apple users are brain challenged zombies, you must be at least 17 to comprehend that there is alternative (better) software out there.

Guest said:

The Truth is Apple needs to by law put the 17+ rating on anything that may get content that is offending. They rate all applications on the store. Look at the rating page. This is a legal thing. Safari is built in so it doesn't have that rating.

As for people who use legal things like this to bash Apple, please look at the way other companies handle this issue. Andriod market place had mailware on there marketplace and had to pull it off instead of reviewing each item.

You may not like the Apple policies or think they are restricting things for competition. However you need restriction in this world for things to work well together. Unfortunately there is no such thing as an open market since offensive things that are sold through Apple will then bring law suites against them.

As for all of you who hate Apple so much, enjoy your 10,000 new viruses a month on windows.

Guest said:

They're assuming people will be using Opera only to browse "adult sites"?

Guest said:

Reference to an old historical quote, We have met the enemy and they are us. Apple has become what they were against in the beginning, no surprise, it happens.

Guest said:

If they are so concerned by apps security, what about start by not running apps as root by default.

But well, then you will not be able to say all security problems are app developers fault... not iOS

Guest said:

Wow, people seem to be posting all sort of things without doing any research first -- I guess it's modern day journalism.

Try downloading ANY app that has unrestricted internet priviledges ( any SSH, FTP, whatever ), and you will be prompted when installing that you need to be over 17. The reasoning was -and still is- that providing generic access to the internet allows you to visit any kind of site, including "over 17" sites. Since rating always depend on a wost-case-scenario, rating here is over 17.

This has nothing to do with Opera, Safari, or any other app specifically, it's how things in the App Store work. Make what you will of it.

Guest said:

see its that kind of ridiculous crap that gets kids to buy into the macbook scam. most windows problems are due to user error - a person is going to treat their computer like **** regardless of what kind it is. if you want to pay $2k to check your facebook thats your problem. i will do just fine with my $350 eee pc that runs like dream.

Guest said:

so people over the age of 17 are less susceptible to online threats?

Nope!

Jonnan001 said:

"Warning: You must hang around people 16 years old or younger to look cool with this product."

Guest said:

But ya know... MS is the monopoly...

Guest said:

The problem with this mindset is that the Android marketplace doesn't place the same "17 or over" rating on Opera, or anything even remotely similar.

Secondly, adult sites have their own "legal" maneuver and it's the "lie and say you're 18" entrance link. Apple could be legally expunged from any recourse for this reason. To suggest that Apple alone is the entity who is responsible for parental controls 100% is absolutely ludicrous.

Thirdly, about the 10,000 new viruses on Windows thing... I didn't have that happen to me last month. Did anyone else running Windows have 10,000 viruses hit them last month? Very very doubtful.

Try another lie.

Thank you kindly.

Sincerely,

Vengeful Sinner

Guest said:

Dumb article. All browsers on the App Store are rated 17+, as are most other apps that are capable of downloading unmoderated/uncurated content. Big yawn.

Guest said:

Apple only approves browsers that don't support flash, they wouldn't dare eat their own words.

For all you simple minded followers of the overlord steve jobs who love HTML5 because master says so... I got 1 word... Molehill

Guest said:

ok honestly this is stupid the browser was actually released last year around this time there is no new version that is "native". All of this aside Opera has failed to make any updates throughout a year. They failed not Apple. I am in support of those parental controls. I am sorry for any of you who don't know how to parent your kids. But behaviour like this is why alot of your kids get a skewed view of things through the parts of the web. Heck I like porn I like rated r movies and that but I also had a mother that taught me right from wrong since "most" (not all) modern parents are too lazy to teach that, these controls help. Not trying to be a jerk, but obesity in children, bad behaviour and failure in school are mainly rooted from poor parenting. not an increase in mental diseases or any other poor excuse they have out there. Oh and if you don't like Mac or say you don't but you have never had one for longer than 15 minutes at best buy then your opinion really doesn't count because most of you I find hate it based on a disposition you got on it as you were younger and you have no clue what its about at all. Not try to flame but this war is stupid a two front war that never wins either side. honestly there are going to be genrations of success among different companies for different things. Microsoft doesnt rule anymore, and standards have been met by all companies to make it level choose ur brand cause it does good by you dont diss a brand in ignorance cause you feel like it.

Peace

Guest said:

Stop abusing the Name of God for name's sake.......get something useful to write on the wall!

Guest said:

They do this for every browser because they don't want a lawsuit when some ten year old discovers the internet is full of porn. Stop this sensationalist bs and do some research. You should all be embarrassed at the Apple hating sheep you've become, you're becoming worse than the people who love Apple. It's one thing to dislike a company, it's another to blindly believe any crap you read.

TrekExpert TrekExpert said:

You know what? Now I'm feed up with both Microsoft and Apple. Why don't we all just move to Linux...

Great1122 said:

TrekExpert said:

You know what? Now I'm feed up with both Microsoft and Apple. Why don't we all just move to Linux...

LOL, Linux was an OS invented for SMART people,not a lot of people get a college education

"6.7% Of World Has College Degree ", so switching over to linux would not be a smart move, and Apple is the most simplified version of linux and you can see how many people don't really understand that. Oh and no one ever said mac's couldn't get viruses, why would they have antivirus programs for mac then? It's just that it's a proven fact that it gets way less viruses than windows, main reason for this is because the retards who make viruses usually attack windows more than mac, since more people use windows.

Guest said:

Obviously, Apple/Safari is afraid of Opera ... everyone knows you have a lousy product when you must resort to BS like this. These are the ways of a childish mind.

Guest said:

The truth is: No they aren't required by ANY law to put the age restriction there: the age restriction is according to Apple's own policies which, at times are VERY bias. I'd really love for you to find me that law, mainly because I know that it doesn't exist. Also, why are you bringing up Android? That's the smartphone market, not the desktop market. You also claim that _I_ need restrictions on _MY_ computer to make sure that it works "well." That's just plain insulting. As for your Open Market, and virus claims? I use Linux, as I am typing this there are exactly 29,292 software packages available for installation in my "software repositories" (fancy talk for app store,) all of them malware free. Oh, I also have a computer running Windows 7, and I've yet to run into trouble with it. I'll be blatant here: You have to be completely and utterly incapable of executing the most basic of logic in order to be infected with malicious software. You have to be the type of person that practically looks for viruses to get them, and have no antivirus installed as a backup (there's plenty of free ones that work as well, if not better than paid for ones.) Oh, and by no means am I defending windows, it's just that technically speaking no matter how much you don't want to believe it Windows is no less secure than OSX. Just like no matter how much you want to believe they put that age limit there for legal reasons, you're wrong. Period.

~Z

Guest said:

Apple is far worse than Microsoft ever was.

Guest said:

"LOL, Linux was an OS invented for SMART people,not a lot of people get a college education

"6.7% Of World Has College Degree ", so switching over to linux would not be a smart move, and Apple is the most simplified version of linux and you can see how many people don't really understand that. Oh and no one ever said mac's couldn't get viruses, why would they have antivirus programs for mac then? It's just that it's a proven fact that it gets way less viruses than windows, main reason for this is because the retards who make viruses usually attack windows more than mac, since more people use windows. "

Here, genius, let me break a couple of things down for you.

1. Linux doesn't require a college degree. Anybody can use it. Have you tried distributions like Ubuntu or Linux Mint recently? The install process is quite literally: "Burn CD -> Boot off CD -> Select either "install alongside other OS" or "use entire hard drive" -> Set user name & password -> install. Actually using the system is stupidly simple these days as well. And all of this is ignoring the fact that even college campuses are full of village ******.

2. Apple is not a simplified version of Linux, as OS X is Unix-based, and Linux shares no original code with Unix.

3. The presence of antivirus programs on OS X has nothing to do with the actual presence of viruses on the platform. Most OS X users are converts from Windows, so they are used to the idea of having protection against viruses, and so they feel the need to invest in antivirus software. That's not to say that viruses don't exist for the platform; it's just that the number of viruses that exist are so tiny and non-threatening that having an antivirus consuming resources on OS X is sheer waste. They're snake oil. People waste their money on useless crap they really don't need for the sake of feeling secure (i.e, people need their "security blanket"). This is how it has always been, and always will be.

4. Security through obscurity is a half-truth, and deeply flawed. It COMPLETELY ignores the fact that the very architectures of Windows and *nix systems are ENTIRELY different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity

Guest said:

"LOL, Linux was an OS invented for SMART people,not a lot of people get a college education

"6.7% Of World Has College Degree ", so switching over to linux would not be a smart move, and Apple is the most simplified version of linux and you can see how many people don't really understand that. Oh and no one ever said mac's couldn't get viruses, why would they have antivirus programs for mac then? It's just that it's a proven fact that it gets way less viruses than windows, main reason for this is because the retards who make viruses usually attack windows more than mac, since more people use windows. "

no, linux was an OS invented by people! it was based on old unix architecture (ps. if you say linux is unix, then you are misguided!) linux itself is older than windows & os/x.

the app store was not invented by apple like they say, it was invented by linux & linux has been using app stores (under a diff name for over 10 years now).

Os/X is based on Darwin & various other open-source systems like BSD & linux. but it is not derived from linux.

they have anti-virus because of the fact that people use E-mail, and just because your PC may not be vulnerable to Virus does not mean that you can't unadvertently forward infected files onto other people that may or may not be running vulnerable software. MAC has a lot of viruses in the wild, so don't be fooled.

Linux on the other hand because of it's actual architecture isn't 100% immune, but unless you are completely Dumb and actually really work extremely hard at it, viruses would not be able to execute & infect a linux machine. the people that say well windows is most widely used, thats why there's more viruses, are extremely naive & ignorant to the inner workings & architectural differences between windows and linux + os/x. even if linux was more popular than windows, it would still be 98% more immune to viruses, & you would have to work really hard to infect a linux box with a virus (ie, the virus itself couldn't execute or infect the machine without some serious help in doing so from YOU the human operator & you couldn't say you did it accidentally).

Guest said:

Because they work in the way we desire and expect them to, and the alternatives are far worse, in our opinions. Not surprisingly, I say exactly the same thing as you about Microsoft products, and I'm sure the answer to that is the same. That being said, this is pretty ill-conceived on Apple's part.

Guest said:

I have to agree about a lot of the Apple users being brainwashed into not seeing past the app store. Reminds me of the AOL users of years ago that thought AOL's content was the whole Internet. Apple shouldn't knock Opera though...I've been using Opera for the last few months and it pretty much blows every other browser I have ever used out of the water. Mark my words: Someday soon Opera will be THE web browser to have on every desktop and notebook platform.

Guest said:

Don't be an Apphole, Apple!

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