Apple prices Mac OS X 10.7 Lion at $30, coming next month

By on June 6, 2011, 3:09 PM

Apple today announced that Mac OS X version 10.7 Lion will be available in July as a download from the Mac App Store for $30.00 (only as an upgrade to Mac OS X version 10.6 Snow Leopard). The eighth major release will add more than 250 features and 3,000 developer APIs to the company's desktop operating system. Mac OS X Lion Server will require Lion and will also be available next month from the Mac App Store for $50.00.

As expected, the OS will not be available for purchase in retail stores on a physical optical disc. The download will weigh in at around 4GB, or around the size of a typical DVD.

Lion adds new multitouch gestures and animations that let you interact directly with content on the screen. New gestures include momentum scrolling, tapping or pinching your fingers to zoom in on a web page or image, and swiping left or right to turn a page or switch between full screen apps (read a full preview of OS X Lion here).

The addition of system-wide support for full screen apps means developers can take advantage of the entire display. With a single click, your app fills the display and you can swipe from one window to another, between full screen apps, or back to your Desktop, Dashboard, or Spaces without ever leaving full screen. Apple has updated its iWork and iLife apps, as well as Safari, iTunes, Mail, FaceTime, and others, to take advantage of full screen apps.

Apple has also added Mission Control, which combines Exposé, full screen apps, Dashboard, and Spaces into one unified experience for a bird's eye view of every app and window running on your Mac. With a simple swipe, your desktop zooms out to display your open windows grouped by app, thumbnails of your full screen apps and your Dashboard, and allows you to instantly navigate anywhere with a tap.

With Lion, the Mac App Store is now built-in, so you can buy apps with your iTunes account, download, and install them. Apps automatically install directly to Launchpad (a new home for all your apps), and with Lion's release, the Mac App Store will be able to deliver smaller "delta" app updates and new apps that can take advantage of features like In-App Purchase and Push Notifications.

Lion includes a redesigned Mail app with a new widescreen layout and built-in support for Microsoft Exchange 2010. The new Conversations feature groups related messages into a scrollable timeline while the improved search feature suggests matches by person, subject, and label as you type.

"The Mac has outpaced the PC industry every quarter for five years running and with OS X Lion we plan to keep extending our lead," Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing, said in a statement. "The best version of OS X yet, Lion is packed with innovative features such as new Multi-Touch gestures, system-wide support for full screen apps, and Mission Control for instantly accessing everything running on your Mac."




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princeton princeton said:

"The Mac has outpaced the PC industry every quarter for five years running"

Except in the market share quarter.

Saturday said:

Princeton said:

Except in the market share quarter.

Actually, as a company, Apple has more market share in the computer world than any other company. Obviously if you combine all companies that sell Windows computers Apple doesn't when, but compared to individual companies like Dell, Acer, Sony, etc, Apple wins.

Guest said:

I'd have to be stupid to use overpriced hardware... I guess the world needs stupid people.

Guest said:

Apple=overpriced junk, I dare someone to google how much a 1 or 2gb stick cost from them, it's enough to buy a new notebook or laptop.

Guest said:

Anyone need a 4gb stick o wait they're $200.... and they're slow.

http://store.apple.com/us/memorymodel/ME_IMAC_S11_27

How much does a normal stick of DDR3 cost for a desktop? $35....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&am
;N=100007611%20600006050%20600006067&IsNodeId=1&na
e=4GB

mario mario, Ex-TS Developer, said:

@Princeton the Mac has grown 28% in the last quarter while the PC has decreased by 1%. That's actually really impressive since they are the only distributors of OS X.

gwailo247, TechSpot Chancellor, said:

saturday said:

Princeton said:

Except in the market share quarter.

Actually, as a company, Apple has more market share in the computer world than any other company. Obviously if you combine all companies that sell Windows computers Apple doesn't when, but compared to individual companies like Dell, Acer, Sony, etc, Apple wins.

And don't forget, OSX has a 100% market share in computers that are legally allowed to run OSX.

And they have 100% market share amongst Apple owners.

Moving the food around your plate to convince your mom that you finished your dinner doesn't make the amount of food on your plate decrease.

Apple still has to breach 10% market share of OS, and all that BS about a tablet being a PC and Apple beating Dell, is just parlor tricks designed to cover up the fact that after 3 decades of existence Apple has yet to breach a 10% market share for their OS in the US, let alone globally.

All this market share mumbo jumbo is designed to give the illusion that OSX is more popular than it is, and to give Apple a disproportionate voice in the market. 9 out of 10 people buying a PC will not buy a Mac, they will buy something that runs Windows. And when they go to buy their next computer, their first criteria will be OS, not Dell or HP.

OSX is a niche product as it has always been since it came into existence. No amount of re-categorization is going to change this.

princeton princeton said:

marioestrada said:

@Princeton the Mac has grown 28% in the last quarter while the PC has decreased by 1%. That's actually really impressive since they are the only distributors of OS X.

Growing 28% from less than 10% isn't impressive at all. That's like saying I have 10 grams of food and I increased it by 50%. Big deal, now you have five more grams . Now someone who has 1000 grams increases it by 50%. They just added 500 grams. Percentage increases don't matter because even 28% increase wouldn't be the equivalent of a one percent increase for windows.

Cota Cota said:

Guest said:

Anyone need a 4gb stick o wait they're $200.... and they're slow.

[link]

Those sticks may be ECC memory so thats why they cost $200dlls but yet if you need ECC memory you better be a heavy ram predator, else you just murdered a kitten :'(

BTW whit those 200 bucks you can get around 24Gigs at 1.6GHz non ECC (of course)

Raswan Raswan said:

marioestrada said:

@Princeton the Mac has grown 28% in the last quarter while the PC has decreased by 1%. That's actually really impressive since they are the only distributors of OS X.

Pretty easy to grow by 28% when you're moving 3 million units, compared to 50 million. Stats can imply whatever you want them to, with a little creativity.

Raswan Raswan said:

Princeton said:

marioestrada said:

@Princeton the Mac has grown 28% in the last quarter while the PC has decreased by 1%. That's actually really impressive since they are the only distributors of OS X.

Growing 28% from less than 10% isn't impressive at all. That's like saying I have 10 grams of food and I increased it by 50%. Big deal, now you have five more grams . Now someone who has 1000 grams increases it by 50%. They just added 500 grams. Percentage increases don't matter because even 28% increase wouldn't be the equivalent of a one percent increase for windows.

whoops. Looks like you don't need me to give him the stats lesson. You handled it just fine on your own

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

Pretty easy to grow by 28% when you're moving 3 million units, compared to 50 million. Stats can imply whatever you want them to, with a little creativity.

Harvard President Lawrence Lowell wrote in 1909 that statistics, "...like veal pies, are good if you know the person that made them, and are sure of the ingredients.

pretty much what Princeton and Raswan said...

lawfer, TechSpot Paladin, said:

gwailo247 said:

And don't forget, OSX has a 100% market share in computers that are legally allowed to run OSX.

And they have 100% market share amongst Apple owners.

Moving the food around your plate to convince your mom that you finished your dinner doesn't make the amount of food on your plate decrease.

Apple still has to breach 10% market share of OS, and all that BS about a tablet being a PC and Apple beating Dell, is just parlor tricks designed to cover up the fact that after 3 decades of existence Apple has yet to breach a 10% market share for their OS in the US, let alone globally.

All this market share mumbo jumbo is designed to give the illusion that OSX is more popular than it is, and to give Apple a disproportionate voice in the market. 9 out of 10 people buying a PC will not buy a Mac, they will buy something that runs Windows. And when they go to buy their next computer, their first criteria will be OS, not Dell or HP.

OSX is a niche product as it has always been since it came into existence. No amount of re-categorization is going to change this.

Princeton said:

Growing 28% from less than 10% isn't impressive at all. That's like saying I have 10 grams of food and I increased it by 50%. Big deal, now you have five more grams . Now someone who has 1000 grams increases it by 50%. They just added 500 grams. Percentage increases don't matter because even 28% increase wouldn't be the equivalent of a one percent increase for windows.

I love articles like these, because they usually invoke good debate. It is in these comments where you see facts triumph over subjective, baseless opinions. And also because like-minded people are kind enough to elaborate on things I would have otherwise said.

Guest said:

Amazing how many people who have no interest is Apple products, take the time to write about how bad hey are, and that we who do buy them are fools. So who's really the fool??

flukeh said:

Guest said:

Amazing how many people who have no interest is Apple products, take the time to write about how bad hey are, and that we who do buy them are fools. So who's really the fool??

They are good Samaritans trying to make you see the error of your ways

Guest said:

With Lion, Apple are baking in quite a few useful foreword looking features and rewarding Apple users with a winning price.

It only follows that childish Windows users would lash out in frustration and envy due to the over-priced, under-featured Windows fixes.... I mean upgrades they had to fork over big time for.

Great hardware with a great OS that has proven itself to provide a significantly higher ROI compared to PC for most users.

Nice work Apple. I think it may be time for me to dump my Anti-virus, Crapware choked plastic piece of Windows junk for a computer that I can be happy with for more than 6 months and don't have to pay a small fortune to update the OS to one that actually works like it was supposed to in the first place.

flukeh said:

Guest said:

With Lion, Apple are baking in quite a few useful foreword looking features and rewarding Apple users with a winning price.

It only follows that childish Windows users would lash out in frustration and envy due to the over-priced, under-featured Windows fixes.... I mean upgrades they had to fork over big time for.

Great hardware with a great OS that has proven itself to provide a significantly higher ROI compared to PC for most users.

Nice work Apple. I think it may be time for me to dump my Anti-virus, Crapware choked plastic piece of Windows junk for a computer that I can be happy with for more than 6 months and don't have to pay a small fortune to update the OS to one that actually works like it was supposed to in the first place.

It would seem that you have been talking to people who don't know what they are doing when it comes to using/purchasing a computer. I've had my current computer for nearly 4 years now. Cost me less than 1k to begin with, upgraded one or two parts totaling about 100 bucks over that timespan, and haven't had any problems with it whatsoever.

I don't have any problems with Macs, but i certainly wouldn't be willing to fork out that amount of cash for a UI that I can get easily on a windows system...

Guest said:

Hey flukeh, check out http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/11piubpwiqubf06/event/ .

Kind of impressive UI - quite a few nice tricks here that my Windows can't do.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

....[ ]...It only follows that childish Windows users would lash out in frustration and envy due to the over-priced, under-featured Windows fixes.... I mean upgrades they had to fork over big time for.

Why is it that all our "guests", turn out to be nothing more inventive than brainwashed, itinerant, Apple fanbois / trolls, brandishing their obviously inflated sense of self worth, in a delusional manner that they seem proud of.

Great hardware with a great OS that has proven itself to provide a significantly higher ROI compared to PC for most users.
Since you're too self absorber to notice, I'd though I'd mention the fact that Apples and PCs are built from the same parts, bought from the same suppliers. Although most of Crapple's stuff, comes from Foxconn's slave army!

Nice work Apple. I think it may be time for me to dump my Anti-virus, Crapware choked plastic piece of Windows junk for a computer that I can be happy with for more than 6 months and don't have to pay a small fortune to update the OS to one that actually works like it was supposed to in the first place.
OK, first there's no such thing as "genuine plastic" so here again, your Mac is made of the same crap plastic as are PCs. Second, let's suppose, for an absurd moment, that you're right about all this nonsense you've posted. Wouldn't it be more productive and satisfying to you, if you'd simply set your iPhone on vibrate, sit on it, and go off and play quietly with your iPad. Who knows, maybe after a year or two, you'll figure out a use for it.

Oh and BTW, if the battery "craps" out on your phone, no biggie, just send it to China to have a new one installed. (Don't forget to rinse it off first)....

Darkshadoe Darkshadoe said:

red1776 said:

Pretty easy to grow by 28% when you're moving 3 million units, compared to 50 million. Stats can imply whatever you want them to, with a little creativity.

Harvard President Lawrence Lowell wrote in 1909 that statistics, "...like veal pies, are good if you know the person that made them, and are sure of the ingredients.

pretty much what Princeton and Raswan said...

Sex Panther - 60% of the time it works every time.

Guest said:

"your Mac is made of the same crap plastic as are PCs"

I didn't know that aluminum was a petroleum product. Thanks for enlightening us Captain Crappy!

gwailo247, TechSpot Chancellor, said:

Guest said:

"your Mac is made of the same crap plastic as are PCs"

I didn't know that aluminum was a petroleum product. Thanks for enlightening us Captain Crappy!

I didn't know that Macs are completely made out of aluminum.

Thanks for enlightening me Guest.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

"your Mac is made of the same crap plastic as are PCs"

I didn't know that aluminum was a petroleum product. Thanks for enlightening us Captain Crappy!

In the one or two Crapples that are aluminum, it's probably aluminum from recycled beer cans.

(From Wikipedia) The most notable feature of the Mac Mini is its size. The original design measured only 6.5 inches (16.5 cm) by 6.5 inches (16.5 cm) by 2 inches (5.1 cm). The exterior of the original Mac Mini was made of aluminum capped with polycarbonate plastic on the top and bottom. The original design had no visible screws and was not meant to be upgraded by the user. The back of the machine contains the I/O ports and vents for the cooling system. It had an external power supply.

Is polycarbonate an aluminum alloy?

The 2010 Mac-Mini does indeed have an all beer can cover, and at long last, guess what....it even has HDMI. Wow that's some serious forward thinkin' goin' on there!

Oh, lest I forget, the CPU in the new Macs is one of them nasty Intel jobbies, like they've always put into PCs. Come to think of it, Apple didn't even really hit 10% percent market share until they started using PC parts. Or have they hit 10% market share yet? I don't pay much attention. I know, they don't sell that many, and that makes you elite, right? It's like I can read your mind.

Does this new version of the same OS have still have the bouncing icons? You know the user interface that made you feel like you were right there with the rest of your fanboi friends at "Sesame Place".

BTW, you don't have to wait for a physical disability to apply for Social Security, your severe mental defect would be enough to get the ball rolling for you.

Guest said:

Nice OS upgrade. Looks quick and painless for users and the price beats the living crap out of my Windows RobYouBlind Upgrade.

Apple is on a role. Just wish they would stop saying nebulous things like "the best OS X ever" etc.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Nice OS upgrade. Looks quick and painless for users and the price beats the living crap out of my Windows RobYouBlind Upgrade.

Apple is on a role. Just wish they would stop saying nebulous things like "the best OS X ever" etc.

Gosh, the guests who come flaming through here can't even get the word, "roll" spelled correctly.

Cota Cota said:

I love how this post is not even related to mac hardware and yet we have Samaritans trying to explain why you shouldn't blindly devote to Mac.

Guest said:

Nice work Apple. I think it may be time for me to dump my Anti-virus, Crapware choked plastic piece of Windows junk for a computer that I can be happy with for more than 6 months and don't have to pay a small fortune to update the OS to one that actually works like it was supposed to in the first place.

Stop downloading porn.exe and enjoy having to buy a whole new PC when the time comes, besides didnt we just proved that Mac OS isnt even close to be "secure" i mean the dorks still manage to some way screw up and install Malware on that amazing, incredible, unique, innovating, cool, exquisite, simple, great, innovating, smart, drilling, smooth, better and better and better OS"?

The real truth of security depends on the user, not the OS.

Guest said:Hey flukeh, check out [link] .

Kind of impressive UI - quite a few nice tricks here that my Windows can't do.

Apart of the sweet talk they do to brainwash, those features that most of the people need to use are not even relevant, Windows 8 iscopycatting those features, so now go search in this site posts of W8 and look how users dislike the stupidity of forcing people to use childish and numbed UI.

Guest said:"your Mac is made of the same crap plastic as are PCs"

I didn't know that aluminum was a petroleum product. Thanks for enlightening us Captain Crappy

Even if your Mac was made from those royal wedding hats, your brain stills dictates the maximum potential you can archive whit that one piece Mac OS PC, besides MS OS PC's are unique not like your clone scam Mac's.

Did i already said that Win OS based PC's are cheaper even if you beat the performance of a Mac PC?

Guest said:Nice OS upgrade. Looks quick and painless for users and the price beats the living crap out of my Windows RobYouBlind Upgrade.

Apple is on a role. Just wish they would stop saying nebulous things like "the best OS X ever" etc.

Funny thing how Microsoft OS users save more money than Mac users when it comes to a whole last generation PC's hu?

One thing i hate about mac OS is the inability to have 99% of compatibility whit the hardware I really need on non scam prices.

Leeky Leeky said:

Its an entirely reasonable price in my opinion. I'll be ordering it for my Mac come release.

Guest said:

I don't really think all the major flame comments are necessary. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, really. I like the mac OS for its smooth, simple interface, however i do agree that pc hardware is better priced.

One problem i have with the lion update is the lack of cd copies. My internet really sucks, and to download a 4gb file at 20kbps would take a tiny bit longer than I'd like......

pcnthuziast said:

Lots of big(fragile)egos here. lol @ the talented people blowing smoke up their own arses.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

I don't really think all the major flame comments are necessary. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, really. I like the mac OS for its smooth, simple interface, however i do agree that pc hardware is better priced.

One problem i have with the lion update is the lack of cd copies. My internet really sucks, and to download a 4gb file at 20kbps would take a tiny bit longer than I'd like......

Well, most Linux distros will send you a CD if you ask, you just need to be a bit patient. This is a free OS.

So, it does beg the question has Apple's need for total control control gotten to the point where thy won't send you a DVD?

If you're correct, this sounds like the same s*** the credit card companies hand you when they ask you over and over to go all electronic.

They pocket the savings, and you need internet to pay your bills

The real motivation is corporate greed, not ecology.

I want my damned paper bill, and a DVD, to any OS I might own, so quit asking already.

Lots of big(fragile)egos here. lol @ the talented people blowing smoke up their own arses.
And you think you're terribly clever for noticing don't you?

Even the flaming contributes to the discussion. Your observation however, does not.

I'm jus' sayin'. (and LOL).

pcnthuziast said:

Your assumption only makes an *** out of you in this case. What I stated was an observation that is blatently obvious and quite amusing!

lol @ you not with you

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Your assumption only makes an *** out of you in this case. What I stated was an observation that is blatently obvious and quite amusing!

lol @ you not with you

Well, I'm surely flattered that you count me among the talented. But still in all, between the two of us, you're the only one that thinks you're amusing.

If you're truly interested, IMO to be amusing, you need others to laugh at your humor, not just yourself.

As to whether your original "observation" succeeds as "humor", I suppose it does, if someone enjoys being condescended to. I unfortunately don't.

And now that you mention it, I kinda think you're trying to flame me now.

So you see, it's all a matter of perpective. BTW name calling isn't allowed, but it's usually passed over if it's done in good taste. When you feel the necessity start using a bunch of asterisks, it usually indicates you've run out of worthwhile things to say.

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

Sex Panther - 60% of the time it works every time.

I thought that sounded more like a Yogi berra'ism

Guest said:

The right hands can wring excellent value out of a PC with Windows on it. Then again, the right hands can grow a garden out of a turd.

Apple tech is for those who have better things to do than spend their time and money trying to get blood from a stone or rant foolishly on tech blogs. [ Except me of course ;) ]

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Then again, the right hands can grow a garden out of a turd.
I don't think you have your biology facts clear in your mind. Gardens grow out of turds automatically. If fact, they grow because of the turds, human intervention isn't necessary. That's the way our ecosystem functions.

"Dust to dust, dust to plants, plants to animals, then turds to plants"!

I mean think about it for a minute, when was the last time you s*** in the woods, and a giant sequoia sprang up? See, no human intervention is necessary. In fact, most times it's detrimental

pcnthuziast said:

Amusing myself and myself alone sufficed... as intended. The rectal wreckage was a bonus! :P

In all honesty my snyde comment was not intentionally condescending and I have no horse, high or otherwise to sit on.

I feel that the enmity between PC and Mac users is as childish as that between CoD and BF players.

princeton princeton said:

pcnthuziast said:

Amusing myself and myself alone sufficed... as intended. The rectal wreckage was a bonus! :P

In all honesty my snyde comment was not intentionally condescending and I have no horse, high or otherwise to sit on.

I feel that the enmity between PC and Mac users is as childish as that between CoD and BF players.

But BF is better than CoD, there's no debate there.

pcnthuziast said:

I play both. CoD for the SP campaigns and BF for MP. I end up getting the CoD games waaay after release though since I won't pay $60 for a 3-4 hr. ride. Conversely I will deffinately be getting BF3 as close to release as possible along with a new gfx card if my GTX 470 won't cut it.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

I feel that the enmity between PC and Mac users is as childish as that between CoD and BF players.

I believe that a computer illiterate could get himself into less potential trouble with a Mac than a PC. Here's where the contention begins. Somehow Mac incompetents have turned inability into a celebration of class distinction. To wit, "I'm better than you, because I know nothing, and yet I have a Mac, so that makes me elite"!

An overarching issue would be a comparison to the cold war. This was started and protracted by our leaders, yet we all lived under the prevailing propaganda propelled beliefs and tenets of our respective societies.

As to propaganda sustaining the Mac vs PC embitterment, I would cite Apple's, "I'm a PC" ad campaign, which was as inflammatory as they come.

And it was a bunch of BS, half truths, and provocations, that still mystify me as to why M$ didn't sue over them.

Myself, I don't subscribe to "app-holistic" medicine, wherein buying the next piece of nonsense that Steve Jobs decides you should, puts you on the road to happiness and good mental hygiene. (**)

I say, "Stevie Boy", if that thar new thing-a-ma-bob a' your'n is so good, stick it up yer a**, because good things won't hurt cha!

(**) Maybe I'm just bitter because I"m too old to get much money for one of my kidneys

But BF is better than CoD, there's no debate there.

I play both. CoD for the SP campaigns and BF for MP. I end up getting the CoD games waaay after release though since I won't pay $60 for a 3-4 hr. ride. Conversely I will deffinately be getting BF3 as close to release as possible along with a new gfx card if my GTX 470 won't cut it.

And....They're off............

pcnthuziast said:

Interesting commentary.

"and they're off"?

Guest said:

Crank, M$ is primarily a software vendor so what business of theirs would it be to sue Apple over debatable PC slander? I'm a PC != I'm a Windows user.

Besides, for the typical users experience the commercials were so close to the mark that they did not require much explanation to anybody - hence their great success.

I think you should retire the silly notion that Apple users alone think they are better people than users of other platforms. You can say the same thing about anyone who has a lot of attachment to anything including Windows or a generic PC, Country, Color and so on.

Arrogance is a fundamental component of having an ego. Steve Jobs and Captain Cranky included. Captain Cranky thinks he is more clever than everyone else because he still uses punch cards.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Crank, M$ is primarily a software vendor so what business of theirs would it be to sue Apple over debatable PC slander? I'm a PC != I'm a Windows user.
Gosh, when the actor playing the "PC" looks exactly like a young Bill Gates, I'd say the ads were targeted at the OS. Then there were the infection innuendos. After all the OS allegedly is the culprit. So I'd say that the campaign was targeted at the Windows OS. This is spite of whatever propaganda you'd like to share, or opinion you'd like to bias..

Besides, for the typical users experience the commercials were so close to the mark that they did not require much explanation to anybody - hence their great success..
OK, if you're a "typical user", with all the lack of skill and ability you've implied goes along what that purchased status, then you should probably go run your mouth in someplace other than a tech forum. Period.

I think you should retire the silly notion that Apple users alone think they are better people than users of other platforms.

Well, you apparently seem to be ignoring the elephant in thre room, because the the itinerant guest trolls that come blasting through certainly do.

You can say the same thing about anyone who has a lot of attachment to anything including Windows or a generic PC, Country, Color and so on.
Hey I'd be glad to. In fact, my son's wife is a Armenian. She seems to think that's something special. What I call "racism", sociologists have a more politically correct term, "ethnocentrism". You say tomato, I say tomahto, but turn the two disciplines upside down and they all look alike. I should probably cite them as examples to prove my point. They know s*** about computers, she got a Windows box that I built infected, downloading some garbage attachment from

"Facebook". Their Mac Mini broke, he lost the receipt, couldn't get it fixed, (with a 40GB HDD & 256MB RAM, Single core 1.4 Ghz CPU, IMO it wasn't worth fixing anyway), so she made him buy her another for her birthday. Oh well, this turd is a dual core at least.

I do have a certain attachment to my computers. This because because I did the "system integration", (read shopping), and built them myself, (read "assembled" . (I'm actually not arrogant enough to call what we do, "building" . How about you, are you a big time system "builder"?

Arrogance is a fundamental component of having an ego. Steve Jobs and Captain Cranky included..
I guess we can conclude that you're speaking from personal experience

Captain Cranky thinks he is more clever than everyone else because he still uses punch cards.
I came on board with the Atari 1200. What's a punch card.? BTW as rejoinders go, this one was was fairly plodding, oafish and absurd. I'm sure it seemed like a good idea at the time. But, "punch cards" really? That's heavy handed and childish.

SNGX1275 SNGX1275, TS Forces Special, said:

Its a $30 upgrade, and you can install it on 5 computers (anything authorized by your apple account). Thats a fairly significant news story, but instead of talking about that, or not talking about it, the discussion quickly turned to crap. I'm disappointed, but not surprised at all.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Its a $30 upgrade, and you can install it on 5 computers (anything authorized by your apple account). Thats a fairly significant news story, but instead of talking about that, or not talking about it, the discussion quickly turned to crap. I'm disappointed, but not surprised at all.
Well, you can't blame me entirely for this, much as I've come to expect and enjoy it.. I didn't join the fray until post 20. Which is when the Apple fanbois guest trolls became too strident to ignore.

As to relevance or significance, it seems to me that would depend on whether or not you actually own an Apple computer or five. For those of us who choose not to, it's fairly ho hum. M$ calls these earth shattering events, "service packs", and they tend to be free.

What did confound me, (at least if it's true), was that this upgrade was only available as a download.(?) I most certainly would like someone to shed some light on the truth or falsehood of that claim.

SNGX1275 SNGX1275, TS Forces Special, said:

Thats a fair argument CC, so I'm not holding you responsible for it, but you certainly didn't help end the nonsense after your joining.

To kind of respond to you though, most of the people that post frequently on this site have more than one computer. To legally run a Windows OS on those it gets pretty expensive, even with the family pack.

Service Packs for Windows have been worthless since XP. XP, XP SP1, XP SP2 were pretty significant updates, SP3, Vista, Vista SP1, Vista SP2, 7, 7 SP1 have not been significant. If you look around here much you'll see a lot of people saying that all the service packs are is just a bundle of the previous updates, which is pretty much true. The first 2 SPs for XP were the last 2 that were of any significance.

Also, and I think you'll agree, Mac people tend to be pretty loyal to Apple, so they have more than 1 Mac. $30 to upgrade multiple computers to the latest OS is a pretty good deal, unless you compare it to a free OS.

I can't confirm or deny the download only. If I had to guess though, I'd say you are right. I bet 95+ percent of OS X 10.6 users have broadband where a 4 GB dl isn't a huge inconvenience. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think very few people are going to have a real problem with a 4GB dl. Sure some will, but, that happens, you can't please 100% of the people. My parents can't get broadband where they live and they are Windows users, they can't even get Windows Updates over dial up, I don't see anyone crying for them (other than maybe me).

Guest said:

The Vista -> Windows 7 "service pack" was anything but free. Giving the OS a new name and charging upwards of 200$ for the full version is called a SCAM by anyone with any sense.

Best if you stick with your punch cards Crank.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computing_hardware#1
01:_punched_card_technology

But for the rest of us who like technology to actually "advance", downloading the OS - instead of a pile of DVDs burning carbon to finally take up space and catch dust on the shelf waiting for the inevitable toxic landfill marching order - is good for everyone and a step in the right direction.

Crank away.....

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

The Vista -> Windows 7 "service pack" was anything but free. Giving the OS a new name and charging upwards of 200$ for the full version is called a SCAM by anyone with any sense.
This would have required someone to have been stupid enough to buy Vista in the first place. Which I wasn't. I suppose you could say I wasn't ready to advance.

Since I construct my own machines, an OEM copy of Windows costs me less than a hundred dollars, so please revise your sensationalist rant / estimate / BS story downward, or people will think that you don't know what you're talking about.

Best if you stick with your punch cards Crank.

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You're just determined to vent your inflated ego on me by telling the same asinine "joke" in as many places a you can possibly repeat it, aren't you? The thing about humor, which you apparently caught on to, is this; if something wasn't funny in the first place, you can't tell the same audience, the same joke, over and over, and expect a different result. If fact, that's a symptom of mental illness, doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.

But for the rest of us who like technology to actually "advance", downloading the OS - instead of a pile of DVDs burning carbon to finally take up space and catch dust on the shelf waiting for the inevitable toxic landfill marching order - is good for everyone and a step in the right direction.

Crank away.....

Oooo, you're sooo advanced, you're my hero. You're actually an "ether clown", who doesn't understand the value of a hard copy of anything. Google is your friend, isn't it? Just give them all your data, they'll never get hacked! They said so themselves. Eventually, the industry will pull the plug on DVDs, and you'll probably then be moaning about all the DRM in the game downloads. Or maybe the DRM in the movie streams, so that you'll have to pay again, if you want to watch again. Whining a different sermon as it were. BTW way, did your credit card company get you to "paperless" with the ecology spiel? They pocket your money in printing and postage, and you get a pat on the head like the good, ecology minded, lap dog that you are. (Since you obviously need to given a clue, it works the same with software. In the case of the new Apple OS, you might even get your pat on the head directly from Steve Jobs....Er, Steve Jobs' people that is).

Now run along, and try to make yourself feel smug and important, pecking away at the teensy tiny little keys in your advanced little phone. Better still, go watch "Avatar" on your phone. That would be a really advanced thing to do.

An ancient eMachine with XP is more than sufficient to deal with this crap. Why on earth would I need something "more advanced"?

Guest said:

Still running XP. Good Crank. Maybe you're not a lost cause after all.

Frankly though, your DRM rant was an awful lot of hot air. It makes good sense to rid ourselves as much as possible of needlessly burning up resources for temporary trivialities. If it can be sensibly done online than it should be. In the case of your nemesis, Time Machine makes backing up everything an absolute breeze so once you've downloaded it then you've got a backup if need be.

In some ways I'm actually looking forward to the day when the copyright Nazis get there way and I will have even less impetus to waste my time on all that mind-numbingly repetitive drivel we call popular media. I'd much rather strum on my guitar with friends for music and go for a hike or bike for entertainment (or listen to you lash out incredulously at anything and anybody positively Apple :)~ ).

"An Apple a day keeps Cranky typing away"

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Frankly though, your DRM rant was an awful lot of hot air. It makes good sense to rid ourselves as much as possible of needlessly burning up resources for temporary trivialities. If it can be sensibly done online than it should be. In the case of your nemesis, Time Machine makes backing up everything an absolute breeze so once you've downloaded it then you've got a backup if need be.

Well I do my backups, "on premises" as it were, by maintaining the same file set on multiple machines So in actuality, I'm not tied to DVDs, punch cards, or the internet for backup. I simply choose to lead my life in a self contained, self managed manner, as much as is reasonably possible.

In some ways I'm actually looking forward to the day when the copyright Nazis get there way and I will have even less impetus to waste my time on all that mind-numbingly repetitive drivel we call popular media.
Here you've missed the real advancement, by virtue of your dis-affinity for tangible items, and it's name is "Redbox". At $1.00 for a DVD, a buck 50 for Blu-ray, getting jacked up with said drivel, doesn't sting quite so badly. I would caution you that the entertainment industry, has your outlook right where they want it. Perhaps it's my innate paranoia, but I'm seeing people being herded toward dependency on all things internet. Meanwhile data caps are being put in place, and yes DRM is becoming more invasive.
I'd much rather strum on my guitar with friends for music....[ ]...
In a blindingly ironic, face palming coincidence, I just bought 2 new guitars in the past couple of months. Found out that you can finally buy a decent left handed guitar, off the rack, off the internet. (More irony)
(or listen to you lash out incredulously at anything and anybody positively Apple ~ ).
Apple's business model is easily explicable. It's oriented around the sale of hardware. Said hardware is marked up abundantly, as are Apple parts, and Apple service. That being said, it's quite easy for them to make themselves look good by offering OS upgrades at what is perceived as giveaway prices. They've already made their money, at the jump. Big time.

What is inexplicable to me, is how many of Apple owners are there by virtue of their own incompetence, the simple inability to maintain a Windows machine. Then they compound this annoyance by letting everybody else suffer their elitist delusions.

The argument occasionally boils down to , "well you can't afford an Apple". Nobody seems capable of accepting the simple logical paradigm of a double negative solution. Well, OK then, I admit it, I can't afford an Apple. But guess what, if I could, I wouldn't buy one anyway. That's where their mind boggles, with a complete inability to grasp that concept. If somebody handed me the money for an eMac, I'd just go piss it away on another guitar or motorcycle, and then go back to plugging away on my eMachine.

God help you if you actually did try to explain to some of these fanatics, that there really is more to life that the next piece of "Crapple" hardware, that you might either have to sell your kidney, or lick Steve Job's boots to get. That would be virtual blasphemy. (pun intended).

"An Apple a day keeps Cranky typing away"

So it would seem....

mario mario, Ex-TS Developer, said:

@princeton and @raswan yes I know how can stats can be used to mislead and that everybody does it, but tell me any other computer company that has grown as much as Apple in the last year, they are all in decline.

Apple is the biggest technology company in the world right know and right know it's worth more than MSFT and Intel combined, and if this growth is not a byproduct of creating great quality hardware AND software then why was Apple worth 96 times less than MSFT ten years ago?

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