American faces jail time for bringing manga to Canada on his laptop

By on June 27, 2011, 4:01 AM

An American citizen is facing criminal charges in Canada that could result in a mandatory minimum prison sentence of one year for comics brought into the country on his laptop. The computer programmer, whose name is being withheld, is a comic book enthusiast in his mid-twenties who was flying from his home in the US to Canada to visit a friend.

Upon arrival at Canadian Customs, a customs officer conducted a search of the American and his personal belongings, including his laptop, iPad, and iPhone. The customs officer discovered manga on the laptop and declared that it was child pornography.

The Comic Book Legal Defense Fund (CBDLF) has announced that it is forming a coalition to support the man's legal defense. The CBLDF has agreed to assist in the case by contributing funds towards the defense, which has been estimated to cost $150,000 CAD ($151,000 USD). The CBLDF will also provide access to experts and assistance on legal strategy.

The CBLDF says it has noticed a trend in these types of stories: search and seizure of print and electronic comic books carried by travelers crossing borders. The group does note, however, that this is the most serious incident so far. Its efforts are joined by the recently re-formed Comic Legends Legal Defense Fund, a Canadian organization that will contribute to the fundraising effort.

You can also help out by making a tax deductible contribution. Choose if you want to donate $10, $20, $50, $100, or $500 over at cbldf.myshopify.com/products/canadian-customs-case.

"Although the CBLDF can't protect comic fans everywhere in every situation, we want to join this effort to protect an American comic fan being prosecuted literally as he stood on the border of our country for behavior the First Amendment protects here, and its analogues in Canadian law should protect there," CBLDF Executive Director Charles Brownstein said in a statement. "This is an important case that impacts the rights of everyone who reads, publishes, and makes comics and manga in North America. It underscores the dangers facing everyone traveling with comics, and it can establish important precedents regarding travelers rights. It also relates to the increasingly urgent issue of authorities prosecuting art as child pornography. While this case won’t set a US precedent, it can inform whatever precedent is eventually set. This case is also important with respect to artistic merit in the Canadian courts, and a good decision could bring Canadian law closer to US law in that respect."




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herpaderp said:

Well, regardless of how objectionable the content was, I don't see how you can toss in line drawings in the same barrel as actual photographic records of the sexual assault of a minor. Still, the man should have know better than to have potentially incriminating materials on his computer when going through airport security.

Nibroc Nibroc said:

How is it legal to search someones laptop or phone or any other electronic device with out a warrant or due cause? Even if your entering another country?

ramonsterns said:

Uh oh, better not bring any violent videogames with me if I head to Canada. They might think I'm actually a post-apocalyptic vault survivor that goes around mutilating people, or a rogue super spy about to start WWIII, or a psychotic driver that runs over people!

People seriously need to get over this victimless crime crap. You're going to send someone to jail because of their tastes, however awkward they may be? Shall we also send them to jail for not liking Canadian Bacon? Or Maple Syrup?

Xclusiveitalian Xclusiveitalian said:

There legally allowed to turn on your laptop and go through your stuff? Guess i'm never going to Canada...like I was anyway haha

Guest said:

I'm hoping they had a valid reason to go through his laptop - maybe he was on some sex offender database.

mizkitty said:

Thought only US border agents pulled this stuff.

Pretty short on details...even over at the CBDLF link...

Anyone know what the manga in question was?

princeton princeton said:

The country with no gay rights and the patriot act is in no position to bad talk another country dickwads.

There legally allowed to turn on your laptop and go through your stuff? Guess i'm never going to Canada...like I was anyway haha

They don't unless you're a registered Criminal. Also you realize that the privacy in the US where he lives is far worse than what we have in Canada. You guys are so uneducated and so unaware of anything outside of glorious America it's not even funny.

Again. Which country was it where they had the patriot act? Which country has little to no gay rights in the majority of its states. Don't even bother trying to act like Canada is so god damn backwards.

ET3D, TechSpot Paladin, said:

The CBDLF page is hilarious, with its "insert link to news story", "insert advisory link", etc. Insert them already. It will make the page more useful.

@Princeton, the US said nothing here. Individuals, on the other hand, are certainly in a position to say what they way, and they probably hate their own country's practices. Being able to cite a worse example in no way makes you own country's bad behaviour better.

princeton princeton said:

ET3D said:

The CBDLF page is hilarious, with its "insert link to news story", "insert advisory link", etc. Insert them already. It will make the page more useful.

@Princeton, the US said nothing here. Individuals, on the other hand, are certainly in a position to say what they way, and they probably hate their own country's practices. Being able to cite a worse example in no way makes you own country's bad behaviour better.

Except this isn't a worse example and many of them living in the US are saying "durp a durr I guess I won't go to Canadia because they haz teh privacy ishuez!!1!"

Also I'm going to assume you're Canadian by how you spelled Behavio(u)r.

EDIT: God that article picture is ****ing creepy. It stares into your soul bro!

stewi0001 stewi0001 said:

ofcourse we still dont know what kind of magna though...

princeton princeton said:

stewi0001 said:

ofcourse we still dont know what kind of magna though...

Well even lolicon shouldn't be considered child porn. If anything it satisfies pedos so they don't use actual child pornography.

stewi0001 stewi0001 said:

Princeton said:

stewi0001 said:

ofcourse we still dont know what kind of magna though...

Well even lolicon shouldn't be considered child porn. If anything it satisfies pedos so they don't use actual child pornography.

true. If it was porn in general I guess it would be termed hentai or something of that nature

Guest said:

Wow.. Princeton. Basically you're saying The US is backward compared to Canada because Canada has better gay rights?

Just.. wow.

Also, a person who believes Manga to be 'child porn' is a retard, no matter which country he/she is from. I mean, who's the victim here? What has the Canadian customs achieved out of this (aside from all the publicity)?

sMILEY4ever said:

He should've password protected everything: OS, files, etc

princeton princeton said:

Guest said:

Wow.. Princeton. Basically you're saying The US is backward compared to Canada because Canada has better gay rights?

Just.. wow.

Also, a person who believes Manga to be 'child porn' is a retard, no matter which country he/she is from. I mean, who's the victim here? What has the Canadian customs achieved out of this (aside from all the publicity)?

No. I'm saying when you guys have no gay rights and the government can use the patriot act to commit whatever they want on the grounds that you could be a threat the commenters from the US here have no right to be criticizing us like we're some sort of second class nation.

By the way the article is biased. There's a complete lack of proper info and the term manga is used improperly. We don't arrest for that. I don't agree with it but they do arrest for possessing lolicon as for some reason the courts consider that child pornography. There's no such thing as a victimless crime.

In other news an intriguing correlation was found between anonymous posters on websites and the usage of straw man arguments. *wink wink*

Guest said:

The entire reason for this sort of nonsense is to provide fodder for the prison system. We can't have a world wide first world police state unless we fill up the prisons can we? And let's face it criminality is what ever those in power say it is. More and more we see fascism making any thing it wants a crime regardless of whether it makes any sense. And the best part is when the law defines some thing as happened even when it didn't.

Common law marriage. "Hey my gf can't divorce me and take all my stuff. We never got married. I would have remembered something like that."

"Yes you did. You lived together for 7 years so by law you are married. Bend over."

Statutory rape. "I didn't rape that 17 year old girl. She gave her consent. She has been with half the guys in town."

"Yes you did. She was under 18 so we say it was rape. Bend over.

Teen age sexting. "Hey I'm a 14 year old girl and I foolishly sent a picture of my tits to my 15 year old bf."

"You are now a sex offender we will see you and your parents in court. They do have a bank account don't they? Bend over."

Comic book manga. "Hey those are just drawings. It isn't kiddy porn. It's not even realistic. No child was photographed or exploited or even involved."

"We don't care. It vaguely reminds us of kiddy porn so we say it is. Bend over."

And so it goes in Nazi North America. Keep your powder dry folks. I hope to God the day comes when we get to use it.

princeton princeton said:

Guest said:

The entire reason for this sort of nonsense is to provide fodder for the prison system. We can't have a world wide first world police state unless we fill up the prisons can we? And let's face it criminality is what ever those in power say it is. More and more we see fascism making any thing it wants a crime regardless of whether it makes any sense. And the best part is when the law defines some thing as happened even when it didn't.

Common law marriage. "Hey my gf can't divorce me and take all my stuff. We never got married. I would have remembered something like that."

"Yes you did. You lived together for 7 years so by law you are married. Bend over."

Statutory rape. "I didn't rape that 17 year old girl. She gave her consent. She has been with half the guys in town."

"Yes you did. She was under 18 so we say it was rape. Bend over.

Teen age sexting. "Hey I'm a 14 year old girl and I foolishly sent a picture of my tits to my 15 year old bf."

"You are now a sex offender we will see you and your parents in court. They do have a bank account don't they? Bend over."

Comic book manga. "Hey those are just drawings. It isn't kiddy porn. It's not even realistic. No child was photographed or exploited or even involved."

"We don't care. It vaguely reminds us of kiddy porn so we say it is. Bend over."

And so it goes in Nazi North America. Keep your powder dry folks. I hope to God the day comes when we get to use it.

I feel bad because even though the last part about us being Nazi like is extreme I can't argue with the rest of it. We have some pretty crazy laws in the US/Canada.

Muggs said:

What saddens me is it seems that all countries be they North American, European, etc .. seem to be moving towards this Nanny state where feel it is better to control the population and save us from ourselves.

When I 1st read 1984 way back when, yes I am old, I thought it as fiction but now I see George Orwell as a clairvoyant and it sickens me to no end.

Blkfx1 Blkfx1 said:

This is absurd, has to be one of the dumbest things Ive ever read in my life. What the hell is the world coming to when a man can't have manga on his laptop. Even if it was hentai, it still cant be considered child pornography, its all animated.

Adhmuz Adhmuz, TechSpot Paladin, said:

I have a hard time believing this is going to go anywhere at all in courts, probably just Air Canada messing up again. Has this even been to court yet?

Oh and all that homo/gay talk is kinda rediculous way off topic, where not trying to burn anyone at the stake here, just wrongly acusing and ruining a mans life here. But seriously the US can't talk trash about our laws and I'm leaving it at that.

Guest said:

Dullard American's slamming Canada when they don't even know their owns laws, Perhaps you should look up the ' Amber Alert law's' in particular Section 1466A - 'Obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children'. In the US there is already someone in jail for 20 YEARS for obscene Anime downloading. Which is FAR more aggressive in nature then the potential deportation and slap on the wrist this person faces.

You dumb asses seem to think America has this grand libertarian state, in reality if you had any sort of World centric view that wasn't ' you suck because your not American' then you'd realize that your living in a virtual police state with the likes of Homeland Security and the Patriot act controlling and watching your lives.

..and apparently you don't even realize that the Japan has even started to ban this form of Anime

***** about Canada all you want, I can't hear you over my free health care...

Zilpha Zilpha said:

This is a little disturbing. What reason did they have to look at the contents of his laptop? I thought that the extent of what they could do is verify that the device isn't hiding any weaponry or anything else dangerous - not examine the software on the laptop...... I mean, really?

i know for a fact that no international business person would stand for such a thing.

I cannot believe that we live in a world where cartoons are called child porn. FFS can people stop being complete ******?

Muggs said:

Adhmuz said:

But seriously the US can't talk trash about our laws and I'm leaving it at that.

We can, you can and we all should. We are more a global community now more than ever what shouldn't happen is people getting defensive about their country. All laws that are preposterous should be vilified discussed and ridiculed.

Please remember that unfortunately laws do not represent the will of the people and although we live under such laws it does not mean we like or agree with them. So for an American to get upset over a canadian law or vice versa Canadian getting upset over American laws is acceptable and should be encouraged.

I for one don't want to live under such laws and I don't want to know that people live that way either. And I personally applaud anyone from any country that hates such inane laws no matter their country of origin.

Guest said:

This wil just play out in the media while we forget the bad budgetary policies of our congress here state side.

It all a part of the lunacy of air travel any more, like the 95 year old, wheelchair bound woman that was force by TAS to drop her depends so we can all be certain she is not a terrorist.

Good call TAS, I feel safer already!

/*end sarcasm */

MilwaukeeMike said:

Why is everyone so eager to jump on the govt and defend some guy we know nothing about.

For all we know, this guy is suspected of countless child porn crimes but there isn't enough evidence to charge him and they're looking for anything to nab him. They got Al Capone on tax evasion after all.

These child protection laws aren't crazy, Princeton. Where do you draw the line? 17 yr olds can say yes, but what about 16, or 15, or 14? And to who? yes to their bf or to the 45 yr old who's brainwashed them into thinking he's in love with them? An exploited child can have PTSD for the rest of their lives. So argue all you want, but you error on the side of caution when it comes to this stuff. If you were working the border, would you prefer the headline 'Traveler arrested for having Manga on his PC' or 'Border guard let's pedophile through even after finding disturbing images on his PC'?

Use your heads.

princeton princeton said:

milwaukeemike said:

Why is everyone so eager to jump on the govt and defend some guy we know nothing about.

For all we know, this guy is suspected of countless child porn crimes but there isn't enough evidence to charge him and they're looking for anything to nab him. They got Al Capone on tax evasion after all.

These child protection laws aren't crazy, Princeton. Where do you draw the line? 17 yr olds can say yes, but what about 16, or 15, or 14? And to who? yes to their bf or to the 45 yr old who's brainwashed them into thinking he's in love with them? An exploited child can have PTSD for the rest of their lives. So argue all you want, but you error on the side of caution when it comes to this stuff. If you were working the border, would you prefer the headline 'Traveler arrested for having Manga on his PC' or 'Border guard let's pedophile through even after finding disturbing images on his PC'?

Use your heads.

It's their decision. If you're not smart enough to know that you shouldn't be with a 45 year old then you aren't exactly a useful asset, so I don't really care what you do. Knock yourself out and **** everything and everyone that asks.

Also they wouldn't be allowed to search him unless he has a record. So yes , he's probably registered as a sex offender. Notice how my 2nd previous post stated the article was biased and didn't give enough info.

By the way the article is biased. There's a complete lack of proper info and the term manga is used improperly. We don't arrest for that. I don't agree with it but they do arrest for possessing lolicon as for some reason the courts consider that child pornography. There's no such thing as a victimless crime.

..and apparently you don't even realize that the Japan has even started to ban this form of Anime

You serious? I thought they were cool with this type of stuff. Doesn't it originate there?

MilwaukeeMike said:

Princeton said:

It's their decision. If you're not smart enough to know that you shouldn't be with a 45 year old then you aren't exactly a useful asset, so I don't really care what you do. Knock yourself out and **** everything and everyone that asks.

I'm not going to argue with you about whether or not the pedophile or the child is at fault in child explotation cases. If that's what you believe go right ahead and keep preaching it and continue to embarass yourself.

My only point was, that we shouldn't be so quick to assume the govt is in the wrong. I googled this, and the only places this made the news are on websites that would favor technology/mmo's/comics etc. I'm guessing that's because this story has, as they say, 'no legs'.

Guest said:

@Muggsly it is unfortunate more people don't think that way. They would rather be defensive and narrow minded. I guess with age comes wisdom and I would imagine most people who post on this site are somewhat younger.

Glad to see there are still logical thinkers out there hats off to you

MilwaukeeMike said:

Princeton said:

Also they wouldn't be allowed to search him unless he has a record. So yes , he's probably registered as a sex offender. Notice how my 2nd previous post stated the article was biased and didn't give enough info.

Strange... your post grew since I posted. You're right about this... there's just enough info to start an argument, but not enough for any conclusions.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Strange... your post grew since I posted. You're right about this... there's just enough info to start an argument, but not enough for any conclusions.
Why would you need enough information to draw a conclusion? A good argument comes from the heart and soul....

Although, it would seem that the "moral majority" is winning, if you can get manga declared "child pornography".

Why is everyone so eager to jump on the govt and defend some guy we know nothing about.

For all we know, this guy is suspected of countless child porn crimes but there isn't enough evidence to charge him and they're looking for anything to nab him. They got Al Capone on tax evasion after all.

These child protection laws aren't crazy, Princeton. Where do you draw the line? 17 yr olds can say yes, but what about 16, or 15, or 14? And to who? yes to their bf or to the 45 yr old who's brainwashed them into thinking he's in love with them? An exploited child can have PTSD for the rest of their lives. So argue all you want, but you error on the side of caution when it comes to this stuff. If you were working the border, would you prefer the headline 'Traveler arrested for having Manga on his PC' or 'Border guard let's pedophile through even after finding disturbing images on his PC'? This makes a lot of sense, but realistically, all he could do with comic books is get the pages all stuck together.

Use your heads.

This makes a lot of sense, but realistically, all he could do with comic books is get the pages all stuck together. Or in this case, smear up his laptop screen, with his "creme d'amor".

MilwaukeeMike said:

captaincranky said:

Why would you need enough information to draw a conclusion? A good argument comes from the heart and soul.

A good argument also needs a foundation and there isn't one here. Was this guy randomly chosen for an unlawful invasive search and then arrested by the thought police in Canada? Or did the custom's agents receive a phone call saying 'Find a reason to detail this guy, he's wanted in 12 states and 3 provinces, and he's not in Canada to 'see a friend' he's really on the run from the law.

I'm sure neither of those are true, but I've travelled into Canada countless times and never received a 2nd look, let alone any type of search, so I really doubt this guy is innocent.

I prefer to start arguments with fact, and add the heart and soul later. If you start with it you get a lot of what you see on page one of this story's comments.

gwailo247, TechSpot Chancellor, said:

The reason things like this would be considered CP is because pedos use images of "regular sex" or nude women, or sexual manga/anime to sexualize children which makes it easier to abuse them.

So while 'no children were harmed in the making of this manga', making it something without a victim, it can be used as a tool in order to abuse children, so that's why it could be considered illegal.

As to the defense fund and "legal strategy", well, as we learned with GeoHotz, its pretty easy to play upon moral outrage from the masses, or otaku in this case, all the while you're negotiating a plea. More details will be revealed later as to why exactly he was searched etc.

If he had a prior record of any of such shenanigans, he may be better off just taking the time in jail and playing the part of the victim of an overzealous border agent, than go to trial and have it come out that he's done stuff like this before, and be abused/killed in prison.

His lawyer wants to keep his real name quiet for a good reason, as we do have to maintain the presumption of innocence, even in something as potentially bad as this. But he could be doing it because a quick search of sex offender databases could find out this isn't his first crime, and he probably would not want 4chan all over this guy either, or at least the portion of the board not into it themselves.The longer this guy remains anonymous, the more money is going to pour into the legal fund, and thus pay the lawyer.

jetkami said:

Lolicon is child porn! Would you want a person who collects that stuff to babysit your children or maybe work at your child's daycare? People have to realize that there ARE things done in the privacy of an adults bedroom that can possibly affect the community the person resides in.

If a Nazi walked on main street with a poster of 500 dead Jews in a ditch with a quote saying "return to our roots", no civilized human would argue for his freedom of speech. Jews have a greater right not to feel intimated in public by this type of material and children have that same inherent right not to be looked upon by someone who watches child porn as a potential target. There are some things in this life that just can not be allowed!

TorturedChaos, TechSpot Chancellor, said:

I would really like to know what manga it is. There is a huge difference IMO between a slightly sketchy manga and a manga filled with loli.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

When I 1st read 1984 way back when, yes I am old, I thought it as fiction but now I see George Orwell as a clairvoyant and it sickens me to no end.
You do remember that "Ronald RayGuns" was elected for his first term in 1984, don't you? Even so, the "Brave New Orwellian World" had to wait for the "Patriot Act" to begin its seminal phase. I could have been much worse, we could have had Barry Goldwater, or George W. Bush. Whoops, we did get Bush and the Patriot Act, all in the same election.

In any event, outlawing manga is ruthless and stifling. It's like outlawing the sale of crack pipes, thereby forcing users to embrace the use of dangerous home made implements.

All the guy would have had to do is wipe down the laptop screen before he got on the airplane, and there wouldn't have been any turbulence, so to speak.

(OK, the foregoing is satire).

Lolicon is child porn! Would you want a person who collects that stuff to babysit your children or maybe work at your child's daycare? People have to realize that there ARE things done in the privacy of an adults bedroom that can possibly affect the community the person resides in.

If a Nazi walked on main street with a poster of 500 dead Jews in a ditch with a quote saying "return to our roots", no civilized human would argue for his freedom of speech. Jews have a greater right not to feel intimated in public by this type of material and children have that same inherent right not to be looked upon by someone who watches child porn as a potential target. There are some things in this life that just can not be allowed!

So you're playing the "Holocaust card", in relation to this story? I frankly don't get why you think that Jews have more to fear from this man than the rest of us.

And speaking of "adult bedrooms, are you lobbying for legislation that would permit you to have a look around? Cause that's like watching the whole movie before you say you say you were offended by it...

Before I forget:

Jews have a greater right not to feel intimated in public by this type of material
That's a pretty powerful sense of entitlement you have going for you. Some would say, "obnoxious". Are you suggesting Jews have more rights than the rest of us?

Muggs said:

@Captaincranky thanks for making me chuckle :-)

After thinking of this a bit more I want to know how easily accessible this manga was? I mean did the guy have it up and open on his screen and reading it while in customs? Was it in a hidden folder or on the desktop? What level of search is allowed with no cause or even probably cause? So many unanswered questions? Although the idea of morality police and unwanted search and seizure scares me to no end.

Benny26 Benny26, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Guest Said:

Statutory rape. "I didn't rape that 17 year old girl. She gave her consent. She has been with half the guys in town."

"Yes you did. She was under 18 so we say it was rape. Bend over.

This is so right. In the UK there's also a crazy situation which can be also attached to that law: A 17 year old girl, in the eyes of the law, does not have the mental competence to agree to have sex with a person...Yet, in the same eyes of the same law, a girl as young as 10 has the absalote mentel competence to be capable of premeditated murder, or sexual assault, or even rape.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

This is so right. In the UK there's also a crazy situation which can be also attached to that law: A 17 year old girl, in the eyes of the law, does not have the mental competence to agree to have sex with a person...Yet, in the same eyes of the same law, a girl as young as 10 has the absalote mentel competence to be capable of premeditated murder, or sexual assault, or even rape.
Look up "Piaget" "concrete operational stage", then "abstract operational stage". That's your reading assignment, get cracking.

Benny26 Benny26, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Look up "Piaget" "concrete operational stage", then "abstract operational stage". That's your reading assignment, get cracking.

"Piaget's theory of cognitive development"...Very interesting stuff

Although Piaget's theory is controversial. I can't remember what the hell i was doing as an 10/11 year old...I know i was into solvent abuse, and that's something i wouldn't dream of doing now as an adult.

Thanks Cap

sMILEY4ever said:

He should've password protected everything: OS, files, etc

Unless they sent it away to be cracked...or just put you in jail untill you give them the password(s)

jetkami said:

Would YOU want YOUR child watched by someone who collected this child porn? I say outlaw it ! No normal man would watch that garbage.

ramonsterns said:

jetkami said:

Would YOU want YOUR child watched by someone who collected this child porn? I say outlaw it ! No normal man would watch that garbage.

I don't watch that stuff, but I like to murder people in games, sometimes mass murder if I'm playing a strategy game. Can I babysit your child?

veLa veLa said:

HE HAS DRAWINGS ON HIS COMPUTER ARREST HIM. It's ******* drawings of anime. It's YOUTHFUL art, not child porn.

Zecias said:

Princeton said:

The country with no gay rights and the patriot act is in no position to bad talk another country dickwads.

There legally allowed to turn on your laptop and go through your stuff? Guess i'm never going to Canada...like I was anyway haha

They don't unless you're a registered Criminal. Also you realize that the privacy in the US where he lives is far worse than what we have in Canada. You guys are so uneducated and so unaware of anything outside of glorious America it's not even funny.

Again. Which country was it where they had the patriot act? Which country has little to no gay rights in the majority of its states. Don't even bother trying to act like Canada is so god damn backwards.

In other news an intriguing correlation was found between anonymous posters on websites and the usage of straw man arguments

woah you need to clam down >.>

honestly, turning to stereotypes doesn't help to prove your case at all. It just makes you look like an *****. Everyone in Canada is so hopped up on drugs they don't know what they're doing. saying that just makes me look like a troll just like what you said does.

you really shouldn't be criticizing guests about using straw man arguments when you yourself are using logical fallacies. EX: your ad Hominem argument describing Americans as ignorant; using the "less developed america" as a red herring in your argument.

I honestly don't get why people take an attack to their country as . I doubt there is a single government without a questionable history. Lets just assume that the U.S. is worse than Canada(i honestly don't know because i don't know much about the laws in Canada). Just because America is worse than Canada, it doesn't mean that Canada is immune from american criticism. Now if you argued that Canada had good reason for what they did, it would be a completely different story. I agree with your sentiments, but not with the way you go about expressing them.

This isn't just to princeton, it's all of you involved in the epeen war of MY COUNTRY IS BETTER THAN YOUR'S.

fimbles fimbles said:

The words child pornography indicate this was a movie depicting a child in a sex act.

Whether this is drawn or not, technicaly legal or not, its wrong.

Bravo to the customs guys.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

What is or isn't pornography, and what is or isn't child pornography, seems to be a bar creeping lower and lower, placed there. by a self righteous few.

I probably have what some would consider an unusual opinion. I think child beauty pageants are pornographic, and the parents are pimps. A deviant bunch that serve up their own children, in furtherance of their own egomania.

However, I wouldn't consider "lolicon" pornographic, since it doesn't physically involve children. An abstract representation is not a person, in the same context that , "an IP address is not a person".

The physical behavioural outcome of reading lewd comics is determined by the individual, not necessarily the content.

The argument is the same as gun control. "Guns don't kill, people do".

Pornography is big business, whether the Holy Roman Catholic Church approves of it or not! (Come to think of it, they have their own problems, don't they? Hey, maybe the priests have gotten into the "Lolicon Hymnal", and they can excuse their behaviour accordingly).

What all that said, porn is mainstream. After being exposed to it, the great majority of people either please themselves, or have hot sex with their partners. They don't go trolling the internet for underage girls, usually just some more porn.

Keep screwing around, and let hypocritical politicians sell you a bill of moral goods, while they're off exposing themselves in Washington bathrooms, sending emails to to some would be boy toy page, banging the Mexican housekeeper, and fathering children out of wedlock, while their wife is dying of breast cancer.

That's exactly where you should look for your moral guidance, at least if you have a learning disability.

Pretty soon we'll be back to dressing like puritans, while they have taxpayer funded orgies in D.C.

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

^^^^ +100

captaincranky said it for me.

ramonsterns said:

fimbles said:

The words child pornography indicate this was a movie depicting a child in a sex act.

Whether this is drawn or not, technicaly legal or not, its wrong.

Bravo to the customs guys.

So drawings are wrong but murder simulations are A.O.K.?

There's a lot of things that are "wrong"* with the world, porngraphic drawings shouldn't be at the top of the list to the point where you get sent to jail for it.

*Morality isn't a thing set in stone or something you can explain. The question you should be asking yourself is, did this hurt anyone? Was this created by hurting someone?

You can't simply claim something is wrong because it disgusts you. I think Civilization has progressed far enough where we don't condemn people based on someone's feelings on the matter.

Guest said:

Ok WAIT THE HELL UP!...

Before you go all Kamikaze american style, the story is written to get a response from all of you who can't think deeper then black and white.

This guy has a criminal history with child pornography charges in the past... so... when his name came up in the system it was flagged as a "search" target.

During the search this "Manga" popped up with drawing of VERY young girls in sexual acts.

Upon finding these "Manga" material, it was seized under the grounds of a more through search since there was ALLOT of files and folders "Encrypted" and password protected with names that show pornographic nature.

Anyone on this forum would feel that, given his past with child pornography and material demeaned similar in nature, would warrant a deeper search into his computer to see if there is REAL child porn.... so stop you crying and starting to think bigger people!

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

OK, here's a free tip, if you want to be taken seriously, at least learn how to spell, "W-A-K-E".

Ok WAIT THE HELL UP!...

Before you go all Kamikaze american style, the story is written to get a response from all of you who can't think deeper then black and white.

This guy has a criminal history with child pornography charges in the past... so... when his name came up in the system it was flagged as a "search" target.

During the search this "Manga" popped up with drawing of VERY young girls in sexual acts.

Upon finding these "Manga" material, it was seized under the grounds of a more through search since there was ALLOT of files and folders "Encrypted" and password protected with names that show pornographic nature.

Anyone on this forum would feel that, given his past with child pornography and material demeaned similar in nature, would warrant a deeper search into his computer to see if there is REAL child porn.... so stop you crying and starting to think bigger people!

OK DUDE, I'M A-"WAIT".

I would like you to make your sources of all these "hard facts" available to us. Otherwise it sounds like you're just blowing smoke up our collective a**, during a b*** s*** bombardment.

The overarching issue, as it was presented in the article being quoted, is still whether or not manga can be regarded as porographic. And that still remains as a reasonable topic for this forensic debate.

If this guy is screaming "Attica, Attica, Attica", to get the crowd on his side, so be it. But until then, it seems reasonable to believe that the comic book interests, must have some explanation or agenda for pursuing the case.

What intrigues me, is how quickly the figure of "$150,000" dollars was determined or generated for the individual's legal fund. That's the most suspicious part of the case to me, thus far. Because that sounds like a number generated by a bunch of blood sucking lawyers. And no, I have absolutely no intention of cutting them a check.

Another clue, this one to the "Attica" reference: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072890/

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