Wow.

I just saw a review for Call of Duty 2 on the X360 system and it is the first time I have ever thought of buying a console system. The graphics are the best I have ever seen. Take a look HERE (http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox-360/call-of-duty-2/651997p1.html)

Someone, tell me it isn't so. Consoles are going to surpass the almighty PC for gaming? PLEASE! SOMEONE HELP ME!

For those that like to have a few buds over to game and hang out, it surpassed PC's long ago.

It's also due out in a PC version. You don't think the console version will be better do you?

I am talking about graphics quality. Those screen shots are beyond any PC game graphics I have seen to date.... That is not cool at all.

ps3 will have 3 times the graphics power of a nvidia 7800 so who do you think will win

If that is true, then I am depressed. Has the day come when console is the champ of graphics?

[DonNagual commits suicide]

If that is true, then I am depressed. Has the day come when console is the champ of graphics?



Yes and No. Yes for about a year or two, but the thing with consoles are, you cant upgrade. So while those graphics are astouding now, three years from now (when the ps3 xbox 360 whatever, is still in its original form) PC technology will catch up, then surpass a little bit, then before you know it, the next console will take tyhe lead agian.

So dont go killing yourself

Sean

Hmm,

I wouldn't panic just yet, it looks to me as though it's all in the art work and detailing of the game. Maybe not so much in the console graphics vs PC graphics. Designers did a very nice job indeed!

Let's wait and see what the PC version and a 7800GTX can do with this artwork!!

PC Gaming is always going to be be more flexible and in my view better! PC Gaming RULES! down with consoles!

Heh, I must agree %100 with kroks.

thats pkroks :suspiciou

ps3 will have 3 times the graphics power of a nvidia 7800 so who do you think will win


Where do u get your info man you are so wrong the PS3 has a 7800GTX with a slightly faster GPU with a differant name THATS ALL.... a SLi 7800GTX is better + the new ati cards will be better + computers can have WAY more RAM + the fastest cpu processer is faster then that of a ps3 sorry consoles will always lagg behind computers

thats wat im talking about! down with the consoles :)

I prefer console gaming because

1) Games work out of the box without patches

2) Consoles work out of the box without updates

3) Consoles don't need to be kept up to date by buying new hardware when new games come out

Yeah, SLI 7800 & all those acronyms and nice marketing terms are so cheap and easy to get up and running without crashing.

I hope I didn't start a flamewar...

where i live ps2 games are not readily available and if they are they damn expensive. also whats with the different regions? PC games have the same file type or whatever whereever you are. so if i am on holiday in the middle of no where, find a pc game for cheaper than the rest of the world i can buy it. unlike with ps2 games where you have to check if its ntsc or pal and watever...

pc games are slightly cheaper but consoles doesnt require a 500 dollar video card every 2 years

pc games are slightly cheaper but consoles doesnt require a 500 dollar video card every 2 years

you telling me that you prefer console games because they don't improve their quality much and that all console games pretty much suck graphics wise? I might rethink that post if i were you coz you just could have given us PC Game Enthusiasts another reason why consoles suck! :cool:

Wow.

I just saw a review for Call of Duty 2 on the X360 system and it is the first time I have ever thought of buying a console system. The graphics are the best I have ever seen. Take a look HERE (http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox-360/call-of-duty-2/651997p1.html)

Someone, tell me it isn't so. Consoles are going to surpass the almighty PC for gaming? PLEASE! SOMEONE HELP ME!


the topic was not how cheap it is (btw ps3 is gunna cost 500$) or how easy it is for a noob to get into the game without having to patch it or what not it was consoles outshining computers in pure gaming horsepower. It hasnt happened and it will never happen simply due to the fact that nvidia and ati make all the videocards for consoles same with computers anything they use for there consoles they release for computers by the time the ps3 is released the new ati ati cards will be out with crossfire far surpassing the ps3 in graphical power even know graphics cards alone do not make a gaming machine with computers being able to hold 6 gigs of many differant kinds of RAM and processors being at 4GHZ+ already with dual cores the consoles are just left in the dust like they will always be. Sorry console fans but consoles are nice for playing with your friends or throwing down in some madden but for pure power the PC will win hands down always.

the topic was not how cheap it is (btw ps3 is gunna cost 500$) or how easy it is for a noob to get into the game without having to patch it or what not it was consoles outshining computers in pure gaming horsepower. It hasnt happened and it will never happen simply due to the fact that nvidia and ati make all the videocards for consoles same with computers anything they use for there consoles they release for computers by the time the ps3 is released the new ati ati cards will be out with crossfire far surpassing the ps3 in graphical power even know graphics cards alone do not make a gaming machine with computers being able to hold 6 gigs of many differant kinds of RAM and processors being at 4GHZ+ already with dual cores the consoles are just left in the dust like they will always be. Sorry console fans but consoles are nice for playing with your friends or throwing down in some madden but for pure power the PC will win hands down always.

:blackeye: consoles just took a clean blow! rofl

hold 6 gigs of many differant kinds of RAM and processors being at 4GHZ+ already with dual cores

The PS3 has XDR RAM which runs 3.2GHz.Thats bandwith of 25.6GB/s compared to the 3.2GB/s found on PC3200. Find me a PC that can compete with that..

Im not saying that Consoles are better, i use both. BUt what i am saying is that your "dissmisal" of consoles seems a bit premature considering you have never seen let alone played any of them.

yeah what spade said

PC's tend to catch up very quickly.. but what ever happens after i saw the METAL GEAR SOLID 4 trailer i am definatly buying a ps3

:mad: traitor

check this out...

PCs 1 : Consoles 0 (http://www.tomshardware.com/column/20050924/index.html)

yeah while you guys are playing bf2 on your 19 in crt think how sweet madden will look on ps3 on my 60 in mitsubishi

this is my opinioo0n pc and consoles


consol

Pros: When you buy a game its guarnted to work
it lets you play up to 4 people on 1 game, on 1 screen

Cons
It is harder to go on to the interntet and you sometimes have to pay extra
You cant update yo system
You cant mod games

PC



Pros

You can upgrade your sysyt get btter grafics
You can mod game
You can connect to the internt without and extra charge

Cons

All games arnt guarnteed to work
If you want to pla wioth firends they all have to have the game and a computer to support it


wi;; thats about it


its bacicly a ty

"ATI claims that what it has put into the Xbox 360 is a ground-up innovation, but in reality, how much of the foundation of that chipset would you have seen without years of PC development? And the chip in the PS3 is simply a modified GeForce 7800."

Halfway through 2006 PCs will surpass these next-gen consoles.
I remember similar flame wars during the PS2 launch and look at what happened. I just hope my brother buys a PS3 so I can play RE 5

consol

Cons
You cant mod gamesYou certainly can on the Xbox with the proper information.

You all have a good point, but the thing here is, some just prefer. Console have a much bigger market. PC's can be upgraded. PC's are steller for certain games because of the monitor refresh (ys I know tvs can as well but...) and mouse and keyboard set up. The new systems are NOT out yet, so watch what you thin of these "screen" shots you may see. In motion is the key, and alot more companies do console games then pc, so there are bigger companies in console cuz they "get" the money. Maybe consoles will attempt to overpass the PC market in terms of graphics, and if it is cheaper then a computer then so be it, but computers will always have the possibility to be better because of that upgrade option. Until graphics cards and hardwars come to a halt, it will always be possible to be "better" as long as the companies put the money into making the games. Becasue they are oing to cost so much more to make from now on. Commercial time!

it is easer to mod on pc then councel

thats true, but alot of pepole go for consouls because they do not want to be dissipointed if they get the game for computer and it doesnt work, we can say 70 precent of people do not know how to upgrade a pc, but in cousel u just put the cd in and it works

Xbox 360 is only starting out, so you have to figure the games are only goin to look better and better as developers become more familar with the system. Most of those PS3 vid and screens btw are mostly renders of what they think the PS3 will push.
As long as there are great PC only games out there you should have no worries of consoles taking their spot. If they start releasing all PC titles for the new consoles, then I would worry about consoles killing PC gaming. Kinda the same way consoles killed arcade gaming.

thats true, but alot of pepole go for consouls because they do not want to be dissipointed if they get the game for computer and it doesnt work, we can say 70 precent of people do not know how to upgrade a pc, but in cousel u just put the cd in and it works

With PC's, you get the advantage of downloading patches and updates. With consoles, when theres a gameplay flaw or bug, you simply have to live with it. For instance, the original SSX for PS2 was a great game, however I couldn't unlock many items as the trick lists for characters besides Mac, were wrong.

Unfortunately the patches are a double edged sword as you can see by many developers releasing games while still technically beta and relying on patches to satisfy the consumers.

The best reason to buy a console is to be able to play coop Halo 2. Computers don't have splitscreen. But Computers are way more flexible.

For instance, the original SSX for PS2 was a great game, however I couldn't unlock many items as the trick lists for characters besides Mac, were wrong.
Maybe thats the reason why I don't have the metallic clothing thing, I forget what its called but the characters are metallic, in SSX Tricky for GC :)

You have to keep your eyes on the horizon. As many others have mentioned, consoles cannot be upgraded, where as computer can. With dual core finally emerging and becoming useful for gaming, it won't be more than a couple years before PC's are out top again.

The gap bewteen Graphics on consoles vs PC's is definitely closing, it seems that every generation in console development is taking form the current PC pool and reinventing and tooling it to get the most out of it that they can. The 360, for example, has a seperate CPU dedicated to Physics calculations. Currently, there IS a company working on a physics card for the PC. In addition, they are also working on real time triangulation. Think about dynamic level of detail that constantly chages on the fly. Essentially this system will keep a consistent amount of triangles on the screen at all times, and be abel to show the most intense detail possible dyanamically as the game is played.

While Consoles have caught up, almost surppased current PC tech, there is far superior PC goodies coming in the near future, and PC's will once again be on top. :knock:

Computers don't have splitscreen.
Aren't we forgetting Serios Sam (1), its expansion, Worms (all) and Need for speed 3: hot pursuit?

Well, I meant coop for smash hit PC games like Halo, Doom, Star Wars Commando, and so on. It's easier to set up a splitscreen game on a console. I'm not saying I think consoles are better, I'm saying that you really need a good PC and a Console. Console for Coop, and PC for single and multiplayer. Also, there are great games exclusive to the platform, example, Halo 2, Unreal Tournament and so on.

Man U guys take this console vs PC Gaming thing way too seriously!

Shut up tazzie boy!!

Hey, PCs are the ones that give rise to consoles. if there were no PCs, there would be no Xbox 360 or PS3, coz there would be no NVIDIA or ATI. A console's power is limited. A PC's is not, since it can be upgraded. Its just a matter of time before a game like Half Life 3 comes along that will only work on a PC, since the requirements will surpass the console's specs. Look at Half Life 2. Admittedly, it came out on the Xbox, but it suffered lots of slowdowns.
But then, there are games on consoles that are not released on PCs. Think about Project Gotham Racing, or Grand Turismo or Halo 2. None of these were ever released on the PC, despite being superb games in their own right.

No! Not Halo 2!!! NOOoooooOOoooooo

I kind of figured it wouldn't be release after a long time, or never, when bungie gave an official sticky/announcement on their website, heh.

What bugs me about this whole PC vs console issue is that consoles cost $400-500, but a top of the line video card can cost $700! If you had SLI with 2 7800GTX, this would match (or better) an Xbox360 but the cost for just those two video cards are 3 to 4X the cost of a single Xbox! What gives with that? How can Xbox360 have so much video power at such a low price?

I have the Neo4 SLI mobo, but can only afford for now a single 6600GT. I'm not even going to buy a second 6600GT because 2 6600GT's in SLI are barely better then 1 6800GTX! So I'm just going to hold out for 2 new 7800GT and sell my 6600 when I'm ready to upgrade.

Basically, the Xbox 360 has a 3.2 Ghz IBM CPU. This power is dedicated to graphics only, unlike a computer, where it is divided among the peripherals, thus the high power. In addition, the graphics chip in the Xbox 360 is a modified ATI chip. All in all, the components are mass-produced, making the cost quite low and hence the price of the Xbox 360 is lower than that of the 7800 GTX. But main thing is, the 7800 GTX can be overclocked to its full potential, provided u have the required cooling solution. But the Xbox 360 cannot. Thats the main difference

:blackeye: MAN, I feel as though i've been nothing but a xbox or ps3 tester
I love gaming hence the big $ spent on my pc (s).
Now I hear those freakin consoles can smash my current gaming rig?????ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! :giddy: round and round we go!

Personally I still like my pc, no console can play bf2 64 player mode with all the comotion and sheet going on... i think ugh :confused: help make sense of my tiger direct gold card PLEASE!, SOMEONE ,ANYONE........

Basically, the Xbox 360 has a 3.2 Ghz IBM CPU. This power is dedicated to graphics only, unlike a computer, where it is divided among the peripherals, thus the high power. In addition, the graphics chip in the Xbox 360 is a modified ATI chip. All in all, the components are mass-produced, making the cost quite low and hence the price of the Xbox 360 is lower than that of the 7800 GTX. But main thing is, the 7800 GTX can be overclocked to its full potential, provided u have the required cooling solution. But the Xbox 360 cannot. Thats the main difference


Actually, the 360 has and IBM Power PC CPU with THREE 3.2Ghz cores. Basically, three 3.2 Ghz processors. The ATI processor is not modified, but built from the ground up specifically for the 360. It doesn't work at all like any GPU you can get for your PC. It has shaders that can be dynamiclly applied to either vertex or pixels as needed. It has intellegent memory, so that some processing happens in the actual memory:

“[Xenos] is actually two chips,” explains Feldstein. “The GPU is what we call the parent die, and there you have the traditional graphics pipeline. But the second chip has embedded memory, and inside that memory is intelligence that actually does a lot of the graphics processing from within the memory. We decided we’re going to have enough memory in here to do antialiasing, plus Z plus alpha processing plus stencil processing and do it all right next to the memory. Typically, you have to modify the rights to main memory to do this work, but we put that intelligence right in the memory so you never have to leave it. This pretty much gives you infinite bandwidth.”


All that said for the 360, the PC vs console war comes down to personal preferance for me. Some games I prefer to play on the PC, some I prefer to play on a console, and there are even a couple I play on both. So, who cares? Play what you like.

Thanks for the info.

While console gaming may be fun, it still lack the multifunction capabilities of pcs.remeber the early days of starcraft? it wasn't just a gaming experience but chat room too.

Consoles do not, will not ever surpass PC's for the main fixture of PC gamers: the first-person and third-person shooter. No amount of auto-aim function can remedy that. WSAD and mouse is the best I see possible. If you don't believe, play Halo 1 on Xbox, then play Halo:CE on computer. Basically identical (okay, I know they aren't, but leave it be), but try aiming as fast on Xbox as on PC. It's impossible. Mice were designed for point-and-click.
But consoles do surpass PCs for other types of games, like adventure games (not RPGs) and platformers, and even some non-shooting First-Person games.
Graphics are not all that matters. Gameplay also matters. But it is true, consoles are capable of better graphics. The $200 Xbox has a graphics card designed by NVidia, a stripped version of the GeForce3 series cards. We won't even go up to Xbox 360, which boasts a custom ATI GPU made specifically for the 360. Basically, consoles are cheap, subsidized PC's that get parts wholesale or less through complex business deals, and the part manufacturers hope that by selling thousands upon thousands of parts for a small profit margin, they can make up for that profit margin by still reaping huge profits.

The $200 Xbox has a graphics card designed by ATI, and roughly matching the performance of the Radeon 9000 series.

Hehe, just felt my need as a nerd to correct you on the specs of some of the consoles here. The XBOX runs a stripped down version of the Geforce3 Hardware, made by Nvidia. The ATI card was made for Nintendos Gamecube. The rest is correct. :wave: