I have been visiting the site since the begginings of 2000 and i fell in love with it inmediatelly, i couldn't believe how usefull the information on this site was and how much i've learned from it :)
It has the best reviews and tweaks and the best of all is, they really work :)
I had never entered the forums but today i just felt like meeting a whole new community, i was told about this forums on the 3dfx-underground (http://nat.mine.nu:81/3dfx/) forums, as it also uses the same system :)
Thank you for all the help you've gave me and friends of mine, and as you can see (this goes to uncleel) i have already moderated my language, so you no longer have to worry about it

Thank you federelli, we take pride in keeping a good clean site. We are glad that you like our Tweaks and Reviews. Everyone around here is very easy to get along with, as long as you don't do stupid things and get on someones bad side. Glad to hear that you have moderated your language on your own, make the mods job a little easier:)

Happy posting!

hehe tnaks and the same to you :);)

Useful, helpful, informative.
Thats how we like to keep it. The 3ds staff do a great job of posting the latest news and reviews. The moderators do their best to keep the posts from becoming flame wars, slagging matches or "Intel Sucks, AMD Rocks" type posts from becoming the main content of the site. We don't object to "What are everyones opinions of the latest Intel and AMD CPUS?", as this usually results in a constructive debate about the pros and cons of both, with a lot of input from members who have used both Intel and AMD products recently. I guess 3ds forums is sort of like:

Knowledgebase + community = 3dsforums

As you can also see we have a general section for chit chat about any old subject which adds to the community feeling we promote on top of the learning and knowledge sharing. We just don't want 3dsforums to become what happens to a lot of forums, populated by useless dudespeak rubbish posts :D

Hopefully all our new members will share this view ;)

Yeah, I never see any flame wars or any real negative posts towards other users. 3DS users are alot more mature that most other message boards out there. There is always one good board for every type of interest. For computers I have found 3DS to be one of the best. There are alot of good ones out there but how many times can you really get into the Nvidia is better than Ati argument or the Intel and AMD argument.

This is pretty much the main reason why I dedicate so much time and effort here. I feel that it is well worth it and that it is appreciated.

hmm....it is almost too perfect...there is nothing better then a good flame war or someone showing their pain and suffering thru some old fashion swearing....maybe I have just been desensitized to rudeness and vulgarity. Eitherway these forums seem like they lack any personality at all...they are not even that busy. Nothing like the [H]ardOCP forums or even the icrontic forums....=/

Originally posted by eof
hmm....it is almost too perfect...there is nothing better then a good flame war or someone showing their pain and suffering thru some old fashion swearing....maybe I have just been desensitized to rudeness and vulgarity. Eitherway these forums seem like they lack any personality at all...they are not even that busy. Nothing like the [H]ardOCP forums or even the icrontic forums....=/

I disagree that the forums do not have any personality. And if you feel that way, why come here??

Surely swearing and profanity is not the only way you can express yourself and your personality? Do you suffer from some emmotional disorder or communication difficulties? I express myself and my personality through, I like to think, intelligent and witty conversation, through good natured and gentlemanly conversation.... What about you???

Originally posted by Phantasm66


I disagree that the forums do not have any personality. And if you feel that way, why come here??

Surely swearing and profanity is not the only way you can express yourself and your personality? Do you suffer from some emmotional disorder or communication difficulties? I express myself and my personality through, I like to think, intelligent and witty conversation, through good natured and gentlemanly conversation.... What about you???


I came here cause I like forums and the contest seemed kinda cool....Where in my previous post did I say swearing and profanity is the only way to express yourself...I am just pointing out that it is a way to express yourself and it is a effective way sometimes.

haha....Do I suffer from some emmotional disorder or communication difficulties?...hahah....That is a prime example of why swearing should be allowed it saves people like you from coming up with intelligent ways to insult people. No I don't suffer from anything emotional or physical. I am perfectly heathy thank you for your concern,you are very good natured and gentlemanly.

The way I look at it, you could pick a forum name out of a hat and have a very good chance at drawing one that contains plenty of profanity and flaming. You (eof) say that you think that you're desensitized to vulgarity and rudeness... well, I'd imagine that anybody who has been on the internet long enough is. :D It's the nature of the beast.

That said, a forum like this is in the minority. It's not often that you come across a message board where most of the members talk and help each other out in a friendly manner. Sure, the contest is great, but I wouldn't have joined up if it was just another run of the mill, immature forum. Hopefully I can help a few people out, get some help, and maybe even make a few new acquaintances.

I do agree with you about it not being too busy around here, but hey, that's what we're here for right? To get the ball rollin' a little faster. ;)

Originally posted by Analog
That said, a forum like this is in the minority. It's not often that you come across a message board where most of the members talk and help each other out in a friendly manner. Sure, the contest is great, but I wouldn't have joined up if it was just another run of the mill, immature forum. Hopefully I can help a few people out, get some help, and maybe even make a few new acquaintances.

I agree... when I first joined 3DS, I knew I had found something special. I'd hate to have that die away, and profanity, flame matches, talking about sex, drugs and rock and roll is the best way to do that.

If you wanna talk like that, feel free to join the 3DS IRC channel.

I like a good swear and a shout as much as the next man, just not here.....

If you were an Advertiser:
1.) Would you spend tons money on a site that is less than professional?
2.) Would you be proud to show your supervisor that you contracted for an ad on a forum that cuzz's & flames, w/ n00bie d00dz saying your product sucks?


* Be mindful of our International Membership; use proper English & Grammar. Respect all races, creeds, colors, & genders.
* Women & Children frequent the boards, not to mention Julio's (the owner & administrator) girlfriend.
* Watch your language! (TOS is strictly enforced)

we need an all out crazy no rules room man..
When I ran a BBS on my c64c (argg) I had one of these bad boys and called it the Danger Zone.. There were absolutly NO RULES... Freedom of speech baby, all the way..

Originally posted by 3DS Crazyace
we need an all out crazy no rules room man..
When I ran a BBS on my c64c (argg) I had one of these bad boys and called it the Danger Zone.. There were absolutly NO RULES... Freedom of speech baby, all the way..

I have had the same thought. But perhaps that would have to be password protected and subject to age verification???

Originally posted by 3DS Crazyace
we need an all out crazy no rules room man
Why?

Originally posted by eof
Eitherway these forums seem like they lack any personality at all...they are not even that busy. Nothing like the [H]ardOCP forums or even the icrontic forums....=/
You registered yesterday. 3/5/2002 you posted this on the 3/6/2002. How can you base any personality on that?
If you don't like it here we aren't keeping you here, you are free to walk away.

Originally posted by Mictlantecuhtli

Why?

Because when lil' johnnies mom reads the objectional material he is viewing, the emails, letter writing, phone calls, & thread of lawsuit begin. Then there are public protest about moral decency & the corruption of todays youth. Bad publicity is the end result.

There's enough sites that do, 3DS doesn't. Besides aren't you interested in technology more than uncensored speech?

Eitherway these forums seem like they lack any personality at all...they are not even that busy. Nothing like the [H]ardOCP forums or even the icrontic forums....=/
if you stick around long enough, you will get to learn more about each member.
and maybe this is probably the opposite preference as any one else's, but i like it nice and quiet.

Originally posted by uncleel


Because when lil' johnnies mom reads the objectional material he is viewing, the emails, letter writing, phone calls, & thread of lawsuit begin. Then there are public protest about moral decency & the corruption of todays youth. Bad publicity is the end result.

There's enough sites that do, 3DS doesn't. Besides aren't you interested in technology more than uncensored speech?

I think he meant why do we need a crazy no rules room at all.
Not why do we need it instead of just allowing unruled behaviour throughout the forums ;)

I like the idea that IRC should be 'with less rules'.

Because IRC is real time, some subject can be disscussed more easily (sex, drugs and rock and roll). We should also try to moderate the channel, but not that strict as the forum (specially now things are running slow and we don't have watch out who is on the channel and who not).

About bad language on the forum: there is more than enought room on the net to do that so I am not really in favour of a 'no rule section'. Rules are needed to keep this thing controllable. We don't wan't chaos. He who doesn't agree: GO. But if you take time to check out and learn to know our community, you will maybe notice it's nice to be gentleman and get respect because you deserve it, not because they are afraid of you. Earning respect is not possible if you don't give respect. I do swear to, but I accept some people don't like it or that some people can't handle it, so I don't in an enviroment where I don't know if it's tolerable or not.

Btw, Unc several times states 'there are women and children visiting these fori'. Because men are allowed to be rude? :p :D (I do accept we, men, can handle it better and are better at it than they, women and children :p)

Originally posted by Arris
I think he meant why do we need a crazy no rules room at all.
Not why do we need it instead of just allowing unruled behaviour throughout the forums ;)
I think I meant that, too. I was asking why would this site need that kind of a forum.

Originally posted by ToRN
(I do accept we, men, can handle it better and are better at it than they, women and children :p)
i usually view it as "men are more tolerable to these things"

why not.

there is nothing wrong with expressing your honest opinions. thats the problem with the computer land as we know it, everyone is full of baloney kinda. just like when u read reviews, you know reviewers get the stuff for free usually, so they are usually going to give it a good score (not all the time, some reviewers are honest like myself hahha)... and, forums are for expressing your honest opinion. granted, people can be offended by your opinions, but that doesnt mean you should not be able to express them.

all im saying is somtimes things need to be said that are not appropriate for the general public (age wise also). that doesnt mean that your opinion doesnt count.

as you can see, i really support my right of freedom of speech.

It doesn't!

If your intention is to build a professional website & to attract reliable advertisers, then your forum should be as professional appearing as your homepage.

Why should 3DS lower it's standards to imitate a slackercentral.com, when they all should be emuating 3DS?

Judging by the language of many of our newcomers here for the contest, many other forums have accepted a lazie faire attitude.

Free Speech as defined by the U.S. CONSTITUTION:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech , or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Considering from the time of the Revolutionary War all the lives that have been lost in defense of this freedom, it is blaspheme to infer that "freedom of speech" means some n00bie d00d has the right to say "XXX" on a public forum.

Sorry for being so nit-picky but it's laissez faire. I apologize once again.

Originally posted by 3DS Crazyace
why not.
...
as you can see, i really support my right of freedom of speech.
i think the point that people are missing is that, you're free to express your opinions honestly about almost anything, but in a polite, logical and mature way.

ie.
if you don't like nvidia, say:
"i don't like nvidia cause blah blah blah"
not:
"those nvidiots are a pain in the ***. they're a pile **** who can't even **** blah blah blah..."

i used "almost" because we want this place to be peaceful and not turn into a hatred extremist site...
ie.
******** Thais! :evil:
**** the Americans! :evil:
Islam ****! :evil:
and so on...

I agree, but I disagree.

I would say it in a polite manner, but thats just me, not the rest of the world.

Why should you tell someone how to express themself? It's not about demoarlizing the website, it's just about saying what you want.

Why should people always have to be politically correct and say things polite? What if they are angry, their emotions are taking control, and they might not be polite. This type of behavior is obviously not cool for regular audiances, but for a forum controlled for by age, it would be ok. Mabey someone needs to let out some steam from time to time, I know I do.

I would put forward the notion that there is a big difference between being politically incorrect, and being vulgar.

There is enough vulgarity on the internet as it is. Just take a look at the XXX spam you get thrust into your mailbox on a regular basis.

Above all, I see 3DS as a place for intelligent discussion. That that discussion be marred by vulgarity is quite frankly distasteful and distressing.

Originally posted by Phantasm66
between being politically incorrect, and being vulgar.

Tact: the art of describing to someone of their impending visit to Hades in such a manner that they anticipate the trip.

Originally posted by 3DS Crazyace
What if they are angry, their emotions are taking control,
there you have it. the problem. when people get angry, they tend to lose control, and it'll make the forum out of control.

ok, so you and some members would express their thoughts in a polite manner, but how about some others?
and how should we label the forum? "You can express your feelings FREELY here"? then some people'll come in and start #&%()@#&. and then there'll be a debate about free speech and everything again (as it happened to Gen. Disc.)

but what if we limit the age of who can enter? what if a kid cheats (cause he/she want to know why it's a restricted area for kids)? parent notification? i'll just apply for another e-mail at hotmail and use it as my (fake) parent's. easy.
i think it'll be really hard to keep things in control.

.02

I'm going to try this patch I got off the home page of 3DSpotlight because I get an intermittent error report but wrote it off to having Linux, XP, and Win98 on the same disk.


Windows XP Patch: System Recovery Error Appears After Every Reboot
by Thomas @ 8:12 AM - [Comments]
Microsoft has released a patch that addresses the "System has recovered from a serious error" issue in Windows XP, & is discussed in Microsoft Knowledge Base (KB) Article Q317277. Download now to prevent this message from occurring each time the machine boots.

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Windows XP Home Edition & Professional

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If you want freedom of speech online then go pay for your own server to post it on, heh.

Other than that my thoughts are that no-one






Thanks for listening.

I was gonna start a thread but I beleave my thoughts fit here. 3DS is for me a great site to visit. I'm newly registered but have been comming here for over a year. A lot of the tweak guides have been of great help and being new to this stuff I don't need to hear a lot of ranting and get flamed for questions asked. As far as the language thing, with this tech stuff sometimes you just can't help but let it rip but I knew when I signed on what the rules were and I accepted them and will abide by them. On another note I hope you run another tweak guide for nVidia cards now that nvmax is out of business.

Originally posted by farmer
On another note I hope you run another tweak guide for nVidia cards now that nvmax is out of business.
I know, that's terribly annoying to me. I plan to do one minor enough update soon to the guide for that final version then I'll get looking for another utility.

I don't really like the others that much though. One doesn't work with all the drivers & I think another has crud 2000/XP support.

NVmax should be just fine though for several months anyway. Hopefully someone will keep the original going since they released the source

This reply comes after much thought. Just 2 days ago My idea of this forum was a place to go when you needed help or could offer help and no one on this site judged you because you were new, but after a post I made last night my opinion has changed to one of disappointment. 3DSThomas, you seem to be a class act. You came back with an answer to me when you didn't have too and you treated me as an equal. Uncleel, you don't even come close. It's like, how dare you!! I have a Dell system, an OEM system. Does this prohibit me from being a member on this site? I would guess a large number of your members don't have custom rigs. can they not have questions and expect an answer without being made to feel beneath you? This will probably get edited but I think the staff needs feedback from members even if they are new!!

Your entitled to your opinion but I think you've gone way overboard on your personal asumptions. Your post in question is here.
--> GF4 Ti & Power Supply question http://www.3dspotlight.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1033 & I was 1st to reply w/ an answer, info, & links.

My 2nd post (separated from the 1st on purpose) can either be taken as humorous or factual; "actually" comparing the psu's from machines that come w/ Gef4's as standard, was my intention.
A PSU is as important, if not more so, than any other component in your system.
But since you brought the subject (assumption) up, the truth is, many a "named" systems do short for their profit margin. Many a person has learned, usually from their kids, that the named systems you buy has limitations. I bet your system will be custom. I learned the hard way myself.

Originally posted by farmer
This will probably get edited but I think the staff needs feedback from members even if they are new!!

You won't get edited just for disagreeing with someone by me.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion here. Its the manner of the expression of that opinion that determines whether something gets axed or not.

I.e.:

I disagree with you and think you are wrong because... blah, blah, blah, is fine.

Not:

Man you are a total @:!:"@£:S:X:?EWL. Get yourself to :SLDLDNC*(£$*$($($$....

I like to think of 3DS as a democratic organisation. Everyone is entitled to a say and I am shocked that you perhaps thought that you would get deleted just for disagreeing with someone.

I think you've taken your opinion of uncleel a little far farmer. I read the same thread and I think he was just joking in all honesty. Uncleel is well-respected around here, and I don't believe he would intentionally put someone down (especially for having a Dell). There is nothing wrong with your current system, Uncleel was only suggesting that you try and build your next system because alot of the big companies short change you on what you get, and the system is not overclockable at all. Granted, alot of us built our own systems so we know the big differences between home built and store bought. My two roomates both got their machines from the store and they have parts that are really hindering their systems (i.e. built in video and audio, no room for expansion, etc.).

I personally came extremely close to buying a Dell computer myself before decided to build my own so I know where your coming from. Dell makes good computers, but alot of the members here are hardcore gamers and look to sqeeze every FPS they can out of their systems. This can only be done by building their system part by part. The great thing about building your own system is that you can get the best of all the different parts in your system. For example, I have a Enermax Whisper 350W PSU, Athlon 1.4, 512 Crucial DDR, 2 60GB IBM Deskstars, GeForce 2 Pro, Creative Audigy X-Gamer, NetGear NIC FA312, 19" monitor, etc. etc. and I only paid around 1200 dollars for it. I tried to build a system similar to it at Dell and Micron and at both sites it cost me over 1700 dollars! So the best perk is that you can save lots of money by building your own system also, provided you want to take the risk.

I hope you stick around the 3DS forums and understand that no harm was meant by Uncleel's comments, as he posted earlier.

Originally posted by Phantasm66


You won't get edited just for disagreeing with someone by me.

Now, if you post something that I do not like, you might certainly get an argument out of me, telling you exactly why. But I would not dream of deleting your post on the spot simply because I didn't like its tone or I thought that you were wrong in your opinions about some matter.

You sure can't disagree w/ the info you recieved, it was sound!
Just don't get to personal :blush: I'm not that kind of guy :o

As a matter of fact I've recommended Dell, Gateway & Micron to family members because it suits their needs ( & I'm not around to help) plus the warranty factor. I also did not recommend one to a close friend because on on-board vid would not suit his family needs,especially 10-12 yr olds playing online.

By the same token I vehemently disagreed w/ my office's decision to buy our most recent (5) computers from Compaq (lowest bid) however the business manager liked the "pretty colors." We have a PC maintenance contract now so don't have to worry about any repairs. Sure enough they were there fri. night, replacing the 2nd motherboard to fail in 3 months.

Originally posted by Uncleel:
Many n00bZ were blaming Athlon instability for post problems, system crashes, random crashes/lockups, when in fact they failed to heed (or read) AMD's power supply requirements.
maybe that "n00bZ" word is the problem. not too many people would like to be refered to as a n00bZ, especially spelled like that.
i understand that you have no intention of referring to farmer, but it could be thought so...

farmer asked about PSUs...
you say "n00bZ failed to heed AMD's power supply reuirements"...

maybe you should try to use other words... or at least not l33t spelled... since it may offend the more serious readers...
cause honestly, it did bug me too, when i was new. sometimes, i didn't know which one is a joke and which isn't, because of my unfamiliarity with the western culture/jokes and you didn't put " ;) " in the end.

Originally posted by uncleel
it is blaspheme to infer that "freedom of speech" means some n00bie d00d has the right to say "XXX" on a public forum.

Sounds kind of hypocritical in a way.. Who are you to choose who gets to say what according the constitution of the U.S in an International forum?

All in all, this isn't about free speech though. This is not a governement operated/owned website. This is a privately run operation and whatever the rules, they are final and undeniably clear.

I'm all for free speech. I would like to be able to use whatever language I please, but we are trying to keep the forums respectable and "safe" for the viewing audience. Granted, "safe" and "respectable" are open to interpretation... By general standards, however, I believe it is widely accepted that vulgarity is indeed vulgar, rude and inappropriate.

Just as a side note, I do not take any offense to vulgarity itself. I personally don't see what makes things like "crap" acceptable when other alternatives are not.. But so is the spiral of life.

The point is, we are just trying to keep this place clean so it is sensible, useful and on topic for the most part.

In the history of 3DS, the worst offenders have always claimed they have a "right" to Freedom of Speech. None can explain the meaning of this Constitutional protected right & how it allows them to use of profanity. None can explain why they agreed to 3DS's terms of service, yet they alone are exempt from the rules.
I consider these persons ignorant, rude, immature, & uncaring for the feelings & sensibilities of others.

Years ago I stopped & walked out of my sales presentation when a dept. head we were pitching to started using profanity. This was his habit, I suppose, to intimidate people & cut to the bottom line. Later one of their "higher ups" apologetically called our office & asked us to return, thinking they had upset a religious conviction.

I declined & explained it wasn't a religious reason. It was logic. This person as a representative of their company, would indicate they could not or would not comprehend the sevice package we were offering, therefore the cost was irrelevant. The sale was a waste of time.

Within five years that company closed. :dead:

Rights as dictated by the Constitution of the US are only good until you use that right to infringe upon someone elses right. Profanity is considered to be an infringement upon someone's rights. Which has little bearing anyway because as has already been said, this is a private run site that has rules and they have to be followed.

I am kind of a getting a little sick of this particular argument, however in my book:

Don't come on here and use sexual swear words, post adults only content, XXX, nazi, racist, etc....

I can live with "damn" "hell" and "crap" - I've heard this words on BBC morning news and seen some of them posted on the main 3DS page...

We all know the kinds of things that are just plain not acceptable to anyone here. A mature and sensible mind should be all that it takes to work that out.

Whilst in the past some editing here has, in my opinion, got somewhat out of hand, as a moderator I can assure you that many times have members posted using language and imagery that is just plain offensive and / or unsuitable for minors.

Keep it PG. (Or at a push 15 cert). That's all I ask. No one is asking you to be all "golly gee!" and "gosh!" but keep the sexual swear words and four letter words and explicit references for somewhere else.....

I agree that the site does have it's rules and they must be followed. If you dont like the rules, there are many other forums to swear in. Hey, even I don't agree with all the rules, but it is a privatly owned site. Heck, if I owned a site you would have to be 18 just to read the first page! hehehe.. But that's just me...

[i] Heck, if I owned a site you would have to be 18 just to read the first page! hehehe.. But that's just me... [/B]

Gee golly willikers.. You must be an awfully rude man, gosh darn it! :p

Originally posted by Rick


Gee golly willikers.. You must be an awfully rude man, gosh darn it! :p

Golly!

Hehehe Rick that sounds like a line from "The Wizard of Oz"!

http://thewizardofoz.warnerbros.com/img/photo/22_ph.gif

Did you know Judy Garland was a drug addict and an alcoholic??