What do you think. Do you believe in "aliens"? Spirits? Do you think there is life out there besides that on the earth?

I believe there is life out there not on earth. Not necessarily in the same galaxy, but there is so much space and so many things beyond the Milky Way that there has to be some other place that can host living things (even though we will never know for sure). I also believe in spirits, I believe that there are sometimes spirits around us of people from our past but that cant directly interfere with life... but have some ways of letting thier presence be known. I have had too many wierd yet distinct experiences to not believe in this.

Yeah, i feel the same way as you.

The world, the universe, is a very, very strange place.

My girlfriend says I look into everything I think about too much, but that is somthing that has crossed my mind a time or two. Outer space, it is kinda hard to understand how large and empty it could be outside of the Milky Way and how things would just stay in place. I guess I would have to see it to fully understand.

Yeh, it is very confusing. Philosophy and i have a love/hate relationship. It's hard to explain. Its like, when you think about this stuff, you get nowhere..and its frustrating...but then you think about why you are thinking about it. Idk.
The only thing that makes sense to me about the universe is anti-matter. It explains why the universe doesn't end (boundary wise). I Could never figure out how it was possible for something to "not end". And it was very frustrating, and rather creepy.

From what I have always understood is that the universe does end, although it is billions of light years away and ever expanding. I have read that it was all cause by the big bang theory where there was a single atom that exploded and yada yada yada and one day it would stop expanding and would under go something called like the big smash thoery or something where everything would all be sucked back in and compacted( kinda the reverse of the big bang thoery). But who really knows. IDK.

Well, given that we bascially don't understand anything in relation to outer space and the universe, I'd say there would be life, outside earth.

Not only this universe is considered infinite, there are also theories of "alternate universes" going around.... And goodness knows how many of these are out there!



I've heard of that theory in a movie... can't remember the name of it now... It also mentions that the big bang, and the "big smash" will happen over and over again, in precisely the same manner over and over again for all of time. Which kinda makes sense, if there will be such a thing as a "big smash".

But I don't think its gonna happen. The universe is expanding outwards, and the theory behind it is from the existance of anti-matter, which behaves exactly like matter. For it to happen, all this anti-matter would have to move towards the heart of the big-bang... and any reason why would it do so?

anti matter says this..there is a reflection of everything that exists. Which makes perfect sense to me..on how the universe goes on for ever..because theoretically, a reflection can go on for ever (or at least until the end)

If the universe does end..then whats past he universe....i know it doesn't make sense..but its kinda like when they thought the earth was flat. What..do you just fall off the edge into an non-existancy. And, how is it here. How did this atoms get there. Is the universe just floating in the middle of something that doesn't exist? Very weird.

Hi,

Perhaps you could look at it this way:
Existence and non existence; two polar opposites that co exist that support each other although they are inherently antagonistic.
The universe/dimension which we live in is expanding indefinitely. The scope of our knowledge has not been able to comprehend even much of that, much less the 'non-existence' which our universe is expanding into. Considering the such possibilities, the probability that life is being created/has been created/has advanced and evolved by some extent that we do not know elsewhere within or outside this universe is very very high.

Regards,
Momok =)

Well thanks for adding to the confusion. Your words do make complete since... only they just add more room for expansion of the conversation. But I think this converasation has the capacity of the universe... it could keep expanding and expanding with no definate end.... only until it collapses and isnt talked about anymore.

But I think this converasation has the capacity of the universe... it could keep expanding and expanding with no definate end.... only until it collapses and isnt talked about anymore.
lol.

Anyway, I just thought that it would be weird to discuss the possibility of extraterrestrial life without discussing the factors which influence the probabilities.

cheers,
Momok =)

Ever read the Revelation of John? It is very interesting and also makes sense. Definitely alot simpler plan than going into infinite nowhere.

No, I havent read it but have heard here-say. What does it state?

I can see this going from endless discussion to brutal debate within 12 hours.

lol..if I may para-phrase, it states that ET stayed home. Would like to see some cool type of transport vehicle though! Just for the awesome electronics and stuff.

ET rode a bike :D Bikes are eco-friendly = good

:D:D:D

I absolutely love to watch all of the UFO TV shows on History Channel and other such cable stations. For me, these shows open up my imagination to think about what would happen if aliens did show up at some point. However, I have to admit that, despite loggin many enjoyable hours watching these shows, I have not seen what I consider to be definitive proof that they exist. I also think that all the theories of the universe (Big Bang, etc.) are simply the best that we can come up with at this point in our scientific development, just like a flat earth that the sun circled about was the best that the best scientific minds of the day could come up with prior to Galileo and his telescope. Two hundred years from now, school kids will be laughing at what we believed was hard science...

Yeh, as you said, i have never seen anything that I can be 100% confident that "outer" life does exist. But I have heard stories, that are very convincing...If there is "outer life", and the universe is infinite, then that means there is infinite amount of life. Odd.

ET rode a bike :D Bikes are eco-friendly = good

:D:D:D


that made my day, lol. Aliens care about the ozone too? Yes I believe in other life forms, we have no reason to not believe this, we probably know about 4% of what's out there, that's how much has been explored with a telescope. and I doubt its even 4% being as though telescopes can only see so far. Sorry, too hard to believe that I was just dropped off to love computers by a higher power. I'll tell you what i said to my mother and she punched me in the chest, lol. "What if an arrogant SOB decided to write a book and dropped it in a whole one day, someone then found it years later, thought to be the basis of a "religion"" All I'm saying is that anything is possible.!

I have had that same argument with my mother. Just because someone decides to write something down doesn't mean it is true. Well...off subject..lets get out of religion as it will start a controversy.

I have had that same argument with my mother. Just because someone decides to write something down doesn't mean it is true. Well...off subject..lets get out of religion as it will start a controversy.

Well we can both say that we may think there are other life forms. Rather it be supernatural or natural?

Aliens; if you consider yourself a Realist, it's one of those things that can mess with you!

For all we know there may be life out there somewhere. We can't prove or dis-prove otherwise. Chances are that in some far-off Galaxy there is a planet near enough to a sun and the evolution process is in full-swing.

I like to think that is the case.

But spirits ... I don't hold much belief in this. Granted we can't prove or dis-prove otherwise, but Thinking from a realist's point of view once again I don't see how something like that is possible. We simply cease to exist after we die (in my eyes).

Take an Agnostic's point of view to life and religeon, in that if there isn't enough proof to justify the existence of something, don't believe it; but don't totally wave out the possibility of some divine answer. If a ghost did pop up and say hello, then believe it!

Life elsewhere in the universe : highly probable.

But then that would imply the existance of more than one god (unless the same god created life there too (perhaphs this time in more than 7 days)).

Spirits/ghosts : most unlikely. For one thing Saddam's ghost would have gotten George by now.

Actually, ET made the kid pedal the bike while he rode in the basket.

Thus proving that aliens want to be our overlords.

Ya think?

:)

Google comes to the rescue! (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=the+answer+to+life%2C+the+universe%2C+and+everything&btnG=Search)

What makes me think, is how people say that the universe never ends. That itself is confusing to think, especially since everything has an end right? Well, you start to think; does space end, and if it does, isn't it inside something else. I'm confused :suspiciou .......

But if it ends then whats after it? haha..doesn't make any sense but then it does. I mean is it just like an invisable wall.idk

Poverty of the imagination is what deprives us of understanding something that seems very complex. Of course, we must preserve humility in order to realise that our current knowledge is not adequate for us to comprehend certain concepts beyond our understanding. In the meanwhile, all we can do is attempt to progress this understanding and knowledge linearly, slowly and surely.

Regards,
Your friendly momok =)

What makes me think, is how people say that the universe never ends. That itself is confusing to think, especially since everything has an end right? Well, you start to think; does space end, and if it does, isn't it inside something else. I'm confused :suspiciou .......


That is what I always thought.

I hope there is more life in the universe. A lot of stuff that Sylvia woman said that comes on Montel on Wednsdays seems pretty true, but I am not some extremist. She said we'd see aliens in 2010, and that is what I am waiting on. I hope they're green! :p

She also said Shawn Hornbeck was dead..and he was found alive a few years later.

I don't believe in psychics, but that's not the point. She may have some good points that have nothing to do with her "work" .

Woops I didn't explain it correctly. I don't believe in psychics either, but I HOPE she was right. But you see, if "aliens" did come, if they are more advanced, imagine what they could teach us if they didn't fry us and study us first ;).


A little off-topic, does anyone else realise that when people "hear" loved ones that died, it is all in there head? My mom died when I was 4 due to lung cancer (no not smoking, she worked in to many enviromentally-unfriendly places) and neither me nor my dad hear her. Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

Could just be your experience? My father was killed in a car accident when i was 14..and although i dont "hear" him..i feel there are signs of his presence.

I used to think that people say they "hear", or "see" there lost ones..only to comfort themselves, but i feel alot different about it now that i have personally experienced it.

Also, i think are image of aliens are are far off from what we expect. Probably even unconceivable to the human mind.

mopar man, sorry to hear about your Mom. My Dad passed away a few years ago and, while I do not 'hear' him, I do occasionally feel as if he is looking out for me...

My belief is that we are not alone even in our own galaxy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way). Of the 200 to 400 billion stars here in the Milky Way chances are fairly good that at least one of those stars harbors a planet that has the climate to support life.

It would be exciting to have it proven without a doubt that alien races exist by having one of them visit us, peacefully of course. If they had evil intentions my feeling is that we wouldn't fare very well, mainly due to the fact that they have harnessed the energy for interplanetary travel.

On the subject of spirits, I cannot say if they exist or not. I personally have never had an 'experience', so I feel that I can't form an opinion on this subject. It would be intruiging to see if the feeling of 'someone' being there with you is a construct of our memories of the person being felt through our subconsious or unconsious mind (no, I don't mean when you are knocked out) are infulencing our consious mind.

Sorry for you losses twite and netcablesplus.

I do not hear her or anything, as I said, but I do feel her in that way also. I was talking about the people that "hear his/her voice".

nickslick74, same here with the alien. I believe it has to do with the memory of the person in your subconsious. I have always believed that your subconsious knows a LOT more than your consious does. I know a guy that swore up and down that the creators of the triple blade razor stole his idea. Yet, he got the idea AFTER they come out. He claims he thought of it while shaving, but if you think about it, he probably heard it on a commercial, while not really hearing it but his subconsious did. Understand?

Have you guys seen the alien interview documentary? It can be found on youtube; its 7 parts/1 hour long. I find it very convincing, and I'd believe there is definitely intelligent life out there in the universe.

What makes me think, is how people say that the universe never ends. That itself is confusing to think, especially since everything has an end right? Well, you start to think; does space end, and if it does, isn't it inside something else. I'm confused :suspiciou .......

Every new beginning comes from some other beginnings end :grinthumb
(I know who I want to take me home ... blah blah blah! It's a song, I know that much!)

I reckon everyone should believe in the supernatural world, be it religions, or just plain spirits.

Lets say you don't believe in them nor keep them happy, and they exist: you die, and you piss all of them off, and your afterdeath is a horrible experience.

Lets say you believe in them, and you keep them happy, and they don't eexist: you die, there is no such thing as spirits, and you DON'T become a spirit (because they don't exist), and therefore there is no such thing as an afterlife, and things will not be any different to you NOT believing in them in the first place.

Indeed ...

Although there is a difference in saying you "believe" in something.

To say you believe in something can mean that this thing you believe in exists 100%, or you could also argue that to say you believe in something means you do not know if this thing you believe in exists (what the?) ...

A childs mum believe's her son can win a running race. It doesn't necessarily make it true ... know what I mean?
You could say that you believe what your friend did because you saw it, thus making it true.

To say you believe in something which cannot be proved or dis-proved doesn't necessarily make the beleif true.
All those who believe in this "God" thing say it like they know it exists ... when they don't.

Aliens on the other hand make you think of what is required for the creation of life.
God-people would have to say a supreme being of sorts (a God), whereas the realists would take the evolution path.

I love the saying; "I don't know and neither do you". Pretty much sums up my thoughts on these kinds of subjects :D