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Is the American press showing the photos of President Bush taken from behind during the first candidates' debate in which it appears as if he has been wired for sound in the same way that television presenters are wired into the control center?

That was the debate during which the candidates were stationery.

Bush wears $4000 suits, so the appearance of the bulge in the back of his suit that appeared whenever he bent forward is unlikely to have been a crease.

He was also remarkably hesitant and confused as if he couldn't talk and hear advice at the same time.

The photos are all over the newspapers here in the UK and are being shown on all of the TV news bulletins.

Eric,
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The whole thing is ridiculous. Americans need to pay attention to what matters, not little garbage like this. There is always some moron looking to dis-credit the other. American politics are at an all time low!

I disagree.

It is very serious IF you have a President, the most powerful individual on the planet, who can't answer questions on his own.

Here's the story:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...304242,00.html

Eric

The problem here is that the real moron is Bush and his (lack of) knowledge....
I agree with Eric

Anyone who has ever had experience in public speaking knows that the last thing you want is someone blabbering in your ear while you are trying to speak.

On top of that, thinking that president is going to have a huge *** block on his back to be an audio device where the whole world could blatantly see it is sheer stupidity. IF anything, a listening device would be placed taped to the chest or in, you know, your pocket

If anyone believes that he was getting feed from some headset taped to his back, that person is utterly and completely clueless. The end.

He was wearing a bullet proof vest- though he denies it.
But of course he denies pretty much everything

If he was wearing a wire, the people on the other end are dumber than he is and that is saying something!

Thanks Soul Harvester for telling these propagandists what is going on.

President Bush is a great leader, and I look forward to him leading us for four more years!

You cannot pay attention to these web sites. They all have agenda's. They want the other to become elected. This occurs on both sides of the fence, although it's more prominent with the democratic party right now, because they will do ANYTHING to become elected.

And when I say anyhting, I mean things like talk about the vice presidents daughter, saying handicap folks are going to walk, etc.... John Kerry thinks he's god I assume. He is making an *** of himself, and I for one cannot wait until he creeps back into his senate hole and hides. I live in MA and know his record, which sucks. He is a socialist, and hopefully after he looses the election, he will loose his senate seat.

Don't you watch "The West Wing?" It takes a huge team of people, who are ALL experts in what the political agenda of the party is meant to be, all working together and thinking very hard to make a Presidency work. Its a team effort from the beginning.

If you think otherwise, its because politicians try to hide this process, almost like a form of theatre.

As to thinking of someone as being "The most powerful person on Earth", that notion is stupid, out and out. There is no "one person" who is the most powerful. A lot of what our leaders decide and say is influenced by a multitude of factors. Behind the scenes, I think you would find that mega-corporations have been running things for years anyway. You will never really know the real reasons why we go to war, or ban fox hunting, or set tax at whatever level.

My high school principal, who is a local councillor, has an advisor. To advise him over cruddy little subjects like planning applications - a president is going to have THOUSANDS of advisors.

Whether or not President Bush is a great leader is rather irrelevant in this thread, so I won't open that can of worms. The fact that he is NOT a great speaker makes it even more believable that he did have a device telling him what to say. Honestly, I doubt he would have something that big strapped to his back if he were going to cheat.

Everyone says that he wasn't wearing a bullet proof vest, which I find kind of odd. What could that have been? I would imagine that with such a nice suit and a good tailor, it wouldn't have been a random crease in his jacket. Hmm...

Even if he is wearing a bullet proof vest - so what?

If I was him, I certainly would.

Someone hates Americans so much they drove 2 planes into a building full of people and killed over 4000 people including themselves.

So, someone certainly hates him enough to want to sneak in anywhere he is and kill him. He would be stupid not to wear a bullet proof vest. Get a grip and realise that.

Whoever winds up being the president of the united states is going to be wearing a bullet proof vest no matter who he is, or what he has to say on some moral issue or on taxation. Hell, probably every President since Kennedy has worn a bullet proof vest even to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.

I'd guess even former US presidents (Bush sr. and Clinton in particular) still wear bulletproof vests.

It was under 3,000 not over 4,000 dead BTW. 2,997 or something like that.

Actually this was first reported in this country on Fox News which is a know conservative bastion, but to say that this is most prominent on the democrat's side of the fence is patently false. Rush "hydroco-stoned" Limbaugh preaches this kind of bs every day (when he's not in rehab), every week and every year- the reason there is not a liberal equivalent to Rush is that liberals won't listen to a narrow-minded hate monger like that.

I know, you are going to throw Michael Moore into this argument, but you know, if anything in Farenheit 911 were false, the Bushies lawyers would of sued him into the stone age- so far the only rebuttal to it I've seen is the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth- a pathetic attempt to redirect the argument and slander a soldier that actually had the courage to go to vietnam while our current President couldn't even fulfill the cushy gig his dad got him guarding Texas.

To bring this back on topic- This issue of the lump in the President's back and the way his supporters approach the argument is emblimatic of the entire administrations approach to government. When a question is put forth, rather than just answer it in a forthright manner they try to deflect it with nonsensical cries of "Sadam is now the threat", "I dont want the next (-11 to be a mushroom cloud","flip-flop!", 'you dont support our troops', 'the Iraqi people are better off today'

But what do you expect from a former cheerleader?

Farenhype 9/11 and Celsius 4111 are both documentaries/movies that thouroughly discredit and pull apart Farenheit 9/11. F9/11 was not a documentary and it did mix a lot of "truths" (ala lies) with "Fact".

I also see how you can hardly call Kerry a courageous soldier when he testified against his fellow soldiers, and he himself admitted to comitting war crimes, yet thinks this is all OK.

Every day, more and more vietnam veterans are coming out of the woodwork to vouch that Kerry is no leader, and is not trustworthy.

First I will address the talk show

Rush is popular, because folks listen. Obvoiusly he has an agenda, but folks like what he has to say. Libral talk radio cannot survive, and constantly looses money. This is because they have pretty much nothing to say.

Now for TV

Most prominant television stations are extremly biased towards librals. NBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN just to name a few. The FOX station tries to stay in the middle, and your remarks prove this to be true.

How about newspapers?

Libral. Pretty much all of the major papers are libral including: NYT, LAT, Wash Post, Boston Globe, just to name a few.

And now Bush vs Kerry

You may or may not agree with Bush; I certainly disagree a tremendous amount upon certain topics. That being said, at least he has ideas, values, and a stance. John Kerry IS A FLIP FLOP! I know librals hate when folks use this term, but it is very true. He will say ANYHING to get elected. I will give you an example: "If I were president, Superman would walk again". This is ridiculous, and is extremly low. This man has no substance, and he is a complete liar. He has no plans, and no stance on ANY ISSUE. He has been in the senate for 20yrs, and has DONE NOTHING! Go take a look at his voting record. There is none. He missed 80% of the votes pertaining to security issues in the last 3 years, yet he is going to protect us?

To sum it up: Kerry is a socialist. If you are a socialist, then he is a president whom you will feel comfortable with. I am not a socialist. I believe in democracy, and I believe I can run my own life. I do not need the feds to do it for me, to make decisions for me, to make retirement plans for me, to give me medical, to give me housing help, to feed my kids, etc.. I do things ON MY OWN! DEMOCRACY!!!! I will leave you with a last word from Kerry: " If we did not have social security, our country would fall to pieces." In other words, folks are to stupid to invest thier own money, they need government to do it. THAT AINT ME, AND KERRY IS NOT GOING TO BE ELECTED!

As much as I've disagree with you TS|Crazyass in the past I have to say I agree with everything you have just said. The propoganda coming from the left is borderline obscene. There is a radio commercial that I heard today with a girl telling a guy to vote for kerry (implied) because otherwise he will be drafted! The left is still saying Bush is going to reinstate the draft! How many bullets to you have to put into a dead horse?

Then you have many of the consorts for Kerry's campaign such as Al Sharpton.

Fact: Al Sharpton is stating that the Republican party is working to steal the black vote and working to suppress the black vote.

Fact: It was only a scarce few years ago that Al Sharpton said the exact opposite: That the democratic party was suppressing the black vote by ignoring it.

There is too much hypocrisy. There is no more Democratic party. It has become the Socialist party.

I know it is pointless to try to change your minds. This pig-headed determination has become a hallmark of the Republican party. The steadfast refusal to admit you are wrong, even in the face of overwhelming evidence has somehow become a virtue in this President.

Dub-ya has been wrong on the economy (massive tax cut for the rich acutally lost jobs), wrong on education (no child left behind, an unfunded Federal mandate has bakrupted my local school district and forced the layoff of 50 school employees including 20 teachers), wrong on the war in Iraq (No wmds, Halliburton, No allies, back door draft), wrong on energy (His buddy Scalia on the supreme court blocked the release of the transcript of Chenney's meeting with Enron officials during which the administrations energy policy was set, gasoline and natural gas prices are at all time highs), wrong on the Environment Because of Republican backed legislation EPA fines can now be directed into the state's general fund rather than directed towards clean-up efforts) wrong on health care (premiums up 57% in the last 4 years/ seniors now forced to SNEAK into canda to get cheaper meds)- the list goes on...

As for Kerry's war record- Do you honestly mean to tell me that you believe that Dub-ya better served his coutry during that time? You guys talk of hypocrisy, but can you really say that a silver-spooned-draft dodger is better equipt to lead this nation during a war that has all the hallmarks of becoming ANOTHER Vietnam? Kerry served- Bush didn't. Kerry came back and spoke out against the war because he saw first had what an atrocity it was.

The Swift Boat Veterans for TRuth are backed by a man named Paul O'Neill (and funded by Bob Perry- a major Bush campaign supporter for govenor and Presidnet), a Vietnam vet who was tapped by the Nixon PR team to be the public face of the campaign designed to counter Vietnam war criticism; Kerry putting them in a difficult spot as a man who was there - a soldier who was confirming the war was a disaster and the establishment had no clue what they were doing-

Sound Familiar?

It should because its come full circle and he's doing it again!

But don't worry about Georgie, I'm sure his daddy will get him a nice cushy assignment back in Texas like he did during the last war. puke:

First economy:
The economy has experianced an extreme surge in growth. You are not being truthful by saying its not. The economy dipped into recession due to Clinton. It happened three months when Bush was in office. Also, the airplanes hitting buildings had a little somthing to do with it also. Tax cuts are good, economy is growing. That being said, there is more work to do. It's not perfect.

Next Iraq
If you were president and the CIA, along with intellegence from 20 other countires tells you there is a threat, you would deal with it also. I konw I would. Kerry would wait until the UN passed some lame resolution. We signed the resolution, along with the other others. Iraq was not following through, so we went in. It's what we said we were going to do. Also, The Iraq war is now a mess. I think everyone can admit to this. Is Kerry going to change anything? NO! He has no plans to change anything. If Iraq is your reason for voting Kerry in, you obviously do not konw his stance on it. Not a big deal, sense nobody else does either.

Education
No child left behind is a good program. The federal gov is not fully responsible for your problems with the local school. You school is run by the town, which it should be. No child left behind is a program which offers federal aid to schools. You cannot blame the administration for problems with your towns budget. It's raining here today, is that Bush's fault? The feds should not run our schools or our lives!

Halliburton
The work needed in Iraq could only be done by this company, because ther are no others that do the type of work they offer. They actually do a terrific job might I add. Cheny recieves money from them because when he retired, instead of taking a lump sum, he took yearly payments. Everybody assumes he is still on the payroll, but it's normal for CEO's to receive payments like this

Health Care
Bush has the right plan to attack healthcare. Let me go over what Kerry wants, and you decide. He wants a national system, ran by the goverment (yet he denies this). This will be free for poor folks, so it will be funded by taxpayers). There will be a premium for us, yet others get free care? Bull. That is socialism.
Talk to folks in Canada about thier gov. ran health care. Have you ever been to a hospital in Canada? I doubt it. If you have, you would want to stay away from gov. ran plans. What happends is the industry becomes non-competative. When this occurs, they no longer give a crap, and you are left with dirty hospitals and poor health care.
I was in Canada on a vacation, and my son became ill. After going to two hospitals, I decided to head home, because they were filthy. Is this how you want your health care system ran? The goverment has NO BUISNESS running my health care or money, but it does have a responsibility to make it affordable.

And let me just mention this. If you are a socialist and believe in that type of government, Kerry is right for you. Everybody believes in different things. Under Kerry you will pay more tax, pro-abortion, grow government, new social programs for poor, programs for afirmative action, give illegals licenses, promote gay marriage, increase welfare, short jail sentincing, no death penalty, and the goverment will want to control your life. These are not opinions, these are things librals believe in. I personally dont, but you might. Doesn't make you a bad person. Damn, I wish I had spell check

The Republican mantra like defense is beginning to sound like a Monty Python skit- "The Economy sucks!" republican response- "no it doesn't- it's just a flesh wound!"

False- The economy was fan-freaking-tastic under Clinton- remember the days of budget surpluses?


This sounds like you lifted it strait from one of his speaches. I agree tax cuts are good, but when 90% of them go to the to 2% of earners and it creates huge deficits that the middle class will also pay for, its just plain wrong. But dont take my word for it- Ten nobel prize winning economists said it sucked

Oh, you mean this 'intelligence' - that our buddy Tony Blair (of whom bush must have frollicking in women's undergarments) supplied. Read the link- even if their intelligence was accurate (which it wasnt) it still did not constitute a threat.


One question for ya- How could they produce weapons that we are now totally and completely sure they did not have?



Actually Bush said he'd use force as a LAST resort and to sum up Iraq, Ill agree it is a mess. Bush has killed way more Iraqui civilians than Sadam ever did and now there ARE al Qaeda terrorists in Iraq . There are no jobs or infrastructure and the oil flow has been reduced to a trickle. Who in the world is better off because of the Iraqi situation other than Halliburton?


No child left behind is an Underfunded Federal Mandate- it put responsibilites on the local school district and promised funds to pay for it and never came through. You are uninformed here.

On Halliburton
[PHP]The work needed in Iraq could only be done by this company, because ther are no others that do the type of work they offer. [/PHP]

Wrong! They are a consortium of pipeline workers, truck drivers, construction workers- there is no magic to what Halliburton does. Why did they get the work? Who else can underwrite a $15 Billion bid for a contract that the Bush administration conveniently refused to break up or bid out.



Huh? They do a terrific job of ripping off the American tax payer .

As far as your comments on Health care, we already pay for those that do not have coverage with our inflated premiums.


The United States pays triple what Canada does per capita . So we could cover everybody, cut what we pay in half and still have millions for some mops and pails. Actually I don't really care if Kerry covers everyone as long as he stops the drug companies from screwing my grandmother on her meds.

I'm not a socialist- Im a regular, middle class Joe that pays attention to what's happening in the world. And I dont think you are a bad guy either- just dangerously misinformed.

I am misinformed because I disagree with you?

I imagine you are informed because you read the NYT right? Or better yet, you visit CNN.COM daily? I must say I do enjoy a good political discussion, but when folks think they are right about everything, it gets bland.
You are WRONG about the economy. CNN
You are WRONG about the tax cuts.
FACT CHECK
You are WRONG about going into IRAQ. Whay the hell do we have a UN if nobody is going to support it?
You are WRONG about Halliburton. Cheny does NOT make any money from them. FACT CHECK
You are WRONG about no child left behind. If you would like to read more about it try this: USGOV