A GOOD router, but not TOO EXPENSIVE?

By agi_shi
Sep 11, 2006
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  1. I'm looking for a plain and simple, but powerful and stable router.

    This is the situation - I have an old crappy eMachines which I'll let my dad use to read news and stuff (and email and all that stuff that doesn't require power), and I'll use my new powerful (self-built) pc for games.

    Now the thing is, I want it to be stable AND powerful. Reading news doesn't really need that, but I want to be able to game (FEAR and other FPS games that require high-speed internet).

    What I mean is that I do NOT want ANY disconnections whatsoever. ANY.

    See, the reason is that when I am playing some game (or programming, that is my other hobby - plan on being a professional game programmer in a 5-10 years [when I'll be 18-23]) my dad or mom decides that they want to check their email and I have to stop the game for nothing...

    Note that I need a very STABLE but feature-less router. I only need to connect 2 computers to it, and DO NOT need ANY other features other than well.... routing. That is, no complex software or ports and anything like that. 4 or less ports is GREAT!

    Thanks!
  2. RealBlackStuff

    RealBlackStuff Newcomer, in training Posts: 8,165

    Check the "Billion" line of routers, cheap, cheerful, rock-solid
  3. agi_shi

    agi_shi Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 507

    Hmm... any specific routers you can recommend? Preferebly from NewEgg? (I checked on newegg, but Billion Series Routers turned up with nothing...)
  4. RealBlackStuff

    RealBlackStuff Newcomer, in training Posts: 8,165

    Newegg: get Netgear

    Get Billion from Taiwan or Australia or UK
    http://www.billion.com/
    Most of their products can run circles around the competition!
  5. agi_shi

    agi_shi Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 507

    Only Netgear router I could find had horrible reviews (disconnected people)...

    You see, what I'm scared of is:
    a) Horrible Performance [or]
    b) Horrible Stability - I DO NOT want it to disconnect me every 20 minutes...
  6. half_fish

    half_fish Newcomer, in training

    go wired man, screw those wireless routers----they always cutout. i just got a D-link EBS-2310 DSL/ROUTER to repleace the Netgear one that died....only $39 at Best buy

    I play UT-04,Fear, quake 4(yea i know I bought QUAKE while waiting for UT-07).....
  7. Tmagic650

    Tmagic650 TS Ambassador Posts: 20,684   +153

    "Cheap router with no disconnects"... Is there such a beast? I like Cisco/Linksys but D-Link is better than Netgear :(
  8. agi_shi

    agi_shi Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 507

    I never really wanted a wireless one - all I want is a simple way to split my internet connection. But ofcourse, to do that I need a router and then come problems. I don't really care what it looks like or how many features it needs - as long as it doesn't disconnect me (and can split into atleast 2 computers)...

    As for cheap, I meant as in non-hundreds of dollars for a router (no more than 60$).
  9. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 13,288   +281

    in the real world, this is an unreasonable expectation.

    there are many reasons for networking issues and whatever router you have in
    the link, it too may be a victim just like any other component.

    just like there's no such thing as absolute security, there's also no perfect network.
    Web servers go to great lenghts to provide fault tolerance and for
    continous connectivity, they install multiple NICs with different upstream connections
    and use round-robin DNS resolution to route traffic.

    you just don't get his level of service for $1.95usd
  10. Tmagic650

    Tmagic650 TS Ambassador Posts: 20,684   +153

    Amen to that jobeard ;)
  11. agi_shi

    agi_shi Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 507

    Not to be ignorant, but technically, what IS a router? Is it not possible to simply cut the connection in two...?

    I never get disconnected when I'm directly connected, so what's so hard about simply letting the other computer share the connection...?

    I must not be getting something....
     
  12. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 13,288   +281

    I'll get to this question in a moment.

    let's take web access to techspot.com as an example;
    here's the network path from my pc to the server:
    tracert techspot.com

    Tracing route to techspot.com [70.85.4.244]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:

    1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
    2 22 ms 8 ms * 70-32-240-1.ontrca.adelphia.net [aa.bb.cc.1]
    3 11 ms 11 ms * 24-48-219-209.losaca.adelphia.net [24.48.219.209]
    4 12 ms 11 ms * 24-48-219-5.losaca.adelphia.net [24.48.219.5]
    5 14 ms 14 ms * 24-48-219-97.losaca.adelphia.net [24.48.219.97]
    6 13 ms 11 ms * ae4-00-00.a0.lax91.adelphiacom.net [66.109.15.113]
    7 14 ms 18 ms * ae-1-0.c1.lax91.twc-core.net [66.109.3.145]
    8 45 ms 46 ms * as-0-0.c0.dfw91.twc-core.net [66.109.0.54]
    9 46 ms 45 ms * ae-0-0.p0.dfw91.twc-core.net [66.109.3.74]
    10 46 ms 46 ms * eq-dallas-1000M.theplanet.com [206.223.118.3]
    11 45 ms 44 ms 47ms vl31.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com [70.85.127.29]
    12 46 ms 47 ms * vl21.dsr01.dllstx2.theplanet.com [70.85.127.67]
    13 48 ms 47 ms * po2.car19.dllstx2.theplanet.com [12.96.160.36]
    14 48 ms 44 ms * f4.4.5546.static.theplanet.com [70.85.4.244]
    15 49 ms 53 ms 47 ms f4.4.5546.static.theplanet.com [70.85.4.244]
    Trace complete.​

    that's 15 systems to traverse, and at least three corporations! any one of
    them can go down and I get no server reply from techspot.com.
    if #2 link goes down, I loose access to the entire Internet.

    as to your question Router vs Direct connection, big differences here as you
    should expect by the difference in a $8.00 cable vs a $59 router.
    the cable is purely wires and the router has both hardware circuitry and
    firmware logic to perform:
    NAT translation
    packet filtering
    statefull packet inspection
    *most all also provide DHCP service* when coupled with the NAT,
    allows more than one system to share an Internet Connection to your ISP
    each of these features are not only useful, but well worth every penny.

    To share more systems, you might try ICS on Windows, but in my opinon, it stinks
    and you would be better off with a simple router. Why?
    Use DHCP to configure all systems automatically instead of manual settings
    which not everyone can do easily,
    NAT is a defacto firewall that adds another hurdle to the jerks to climb over,
    Each system can run independently from the others, and
    A router will reduce IP traffic to only the absolute required traffic (which is a feature of all switches that is missing from all hubs )​
  13. Tmagic650

    Tmagic650 TS Ambassador Posts: 20,684   +153

    A Router is just that, it "routes" a single Internet connection to several computers at once. I have a wired Motorola 4-port router. This 4-port router allows me to have 4 computers connected to my Cable Internet modem all at the same time. I have enabled Internet connections and file sharing between all 4 computers, and my single USB HP printer is shared by all 4 computers. You can also link routers together... 8, 16, 32 ports
  14. Betageek48

    Betageek48 Newcomer, in training Posts: 26

    A GOOD router, but not TOO EXPENSIVE...

    I too, have been in this game for bit (will do my intro post soon) Online with Comp-U-Serv back in 1979 on COMMODORE Vic20. I laff when I think of the 8kb of system ram with a 16kb expansion card!
    Anyway, I have come to offer my opinion of the USRobotics MAXG routers. They are stable, simple to setup, and have referred them to several gamers who have said nothing to me in the way of complaint. I have yet to see it drop out for any reason.
    I have seen them at Sam's Club in a kit, that includes a router, a simple setup CD (which I did not use to set it up although I did look it over.) power supply and a short length of Cat5 cable. There is also a wireless PCMCIA card for a laptop, and the whole thing goes fot about $85 bux. PC cards can cost upwards of $50 bux alone, which is why I feel this is a good deal. If you look you can find them sold w/o the PC card at a very good price.
    I setup many computers on my bench thru this router and have yet to see any of them get infected by the various threats out there. Not that it won't happen... but, it just HASN'T.
    Sorry for the wordiness of this post, but I feel that the USR MaxG routers are worth the money and good enough to occupy space on my crowded bench. They beat the rest of them(allowing for the 2-3% or more of product that comes off the line bad to start with, but they all have that) hands down. IMHO
  15. F1N3ST

    F1N3ST Newcomer, in training Posts: 1,088

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833127013 I have used it for a year. Never cut out, unless i cut the power. 40$ Kinda expensive but theres a 10$ rebate if you hurry. And i game like 1-2 hours a day, and is very reliable. Another trusted brand is Lynksys, but i ahve had a few problems with them.
  16. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 6,304   +52 Staff Member

    I can give you a horror story about every single brand on the market... multiple horror stories infact.

    Don't buy according to brand - its a huge mistake - buy according to model. Look at reviews etc..

    I can tell you that you'll miss a lot more than you'll hit for sure. I'm convinced the only somewhat reliable router is a full blown computer. :)
  17. korrupt

    korrupt Newcomer, in training Posts: 1,060

    I second f1n3st. I have used that router for over 3 years now and I have never had A SINGLE disconnection. Never, not once. I use my pc apporximately 8 hours per day, so in almost 10000 hours of operation, not one disconection is pretty bloody good:)

    Regards,

    Korrupt
  18. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 13,288   +281

    IF there's only two systems, in the same room, then by all means, just get a cross-over cable between the two NIC cards and the
    config will be simple!
  19. Tmagic650

    Tmagic650 TS Ambassador Posts: 20,684   +153

    I had forgotten about this option, but it should work. He will have to enable printer and file sharing too, and run the Internet Connection Wizard
  20. agi_shi

    agi_shi Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 507

    So..... how will this work then? And what is this "crossover" cable you speak of?

    My pc and my other pc both have onboard networking though, so will that suffice (I never found anything wrong with onboard NICs, so I don't have a seperate card)...?

    Please do explain, I am interested in this "crossover" cable thing....

    Because, like I said, all I want is a VERY simple AND reliable way to get my 2 computers to use one internet connection. No printer sharing or anything like that is needed (although printer sharing would be nice, I do not NEED it)...

    Thanks!
  21. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 13,288   +281

    a special wiring so that the 'read' wire on one end is connected to the 'write' connector on the other end.
    you will need two in one of the machines .. see below
    you will be wired like this;
    modem --- {wan}system(A){lan} ---{lan}system(B)​
    system-a needs two nic cards, one to the modem with a regular ethernet cable(usually grey),
    and the other to system-b with the cross-over cable(frequently blue or red)
    which should be clearly marked as such.


    the wan-side address will be set by your ISP.
    system-a needs to have ICS enabled and that will force system-a{lan} side
    to be 192.168.0.1. you add
    a mask of 255.255.255.0
    dns from your wan side
    and copy the wan side gateway address

    on system-b, set tcp/ip parms as
    ip 192.168.0.2
    mask 255.255.255.0
    gateway 192.168.0.1
    dns 192.168.0.1

    system-B must be able to ping 192.168.0.1 as well as your
    wan side address

    file/print sharing will be easy from there.
  22. Tmagic650

    Tmagic650 TS Ambassador Posts: 20,684   +153

    Your 2 computers are ready for a crossover cable. Just make sure you specify a "crossover" network cable, and not a "straight" network cable. A straight cable is used between a router and a computer. If both computers are running XP, connect the crossover cable between your 2 computers and turn them on. Go to Control Panel, Network Setup Wizard and follow directions. You will see a check box for File and Printer Sharing. You can decide what you want to do with it then
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