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A question about AMD

By Wallabe
Oct 20, 2003
  1. I just bought a ASUS A7V8X-X Motherboard and I wanted to know what would the best AMD processor to get with it and what all do I need to make it run smooth. I heard that you have to buy alot thermal protection for it.
     
  2. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 6,305   +52 Staff Member

    It might be obvious, but the faster the better. There isn't much more to it than that for the Socket A platform.

    What do you need to make it run smooth? Well, it should run smoothly without making it do anything. Latest drivers and updates are always recommended of course. Plenty of memory, a fast CPU, a big/fast hard drive and nice graphics card will certainly help.

    You don't HAVE to buy a 30lb heatsink made out of platinum with an regulatory thermal plasma grid fused on the side. The stock heatsinks should keep your CPU at operable temperatures.

    The fact is, any high-end CPU is going to generate a lot of heat. Whether it is a P4 or Athlon, you are going to need at least a half-way decent heatsink + fan.
     
  3. Wallabe

    Wallabe TS Rookie Topic Starter

    ohh k I still need to know what kind of procesor to buy. I was going to buy a 2700 until I saw that the motherboard can support higher processors. So which one should I buy?
     
  4. Steg

    Steg TS Rookie Posts: 422

    that depends on your budget
    if its fairly low (£70) then buy yourself a 2500+, if its higher (£150) buy a 2800+ or even (£300) a 3200+.
    Dont bother with a 2600+ or 2700+ - they only hold half the cache of the 2500+ or 2800+
    If you are into overclocking and/or silence then get yourself a Zalman CNPS 7000a (check the zalman site but it should fit on your motherboard). If you do go for this (or anyother good cooler) and a 2500+ & some decent RAM then you can easily overclock it to 3200+ simply by putting the FSB up to 200Mhz.

    Steg
     
  5. Wallabe

    Wallabe TS Rookie Topic Starter

    So if I buy a 2800 I could overclock it to 3200, right? I was wondering what all the 2700 had and now that you have clear that up I shall be looking for a 2800. Thanks alot Steg and Rick.
     
  6. young&wild

    young&wild TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,268

    The real question you have to ask yourself is how much you are willing pay. Do you really want to get the most out of your money? Or the just one of those people who feels that money aint a problem.
     
  7. Wallabe

    Wallabe TS Rookie Topic Starter

    Well I am a budget PC shopper like most people. I wouldnt pay $300 for a AMD 1700 not unless it came with a DVD-R and 50-Pack DVD Bundle. You see what I'm saying. I go to Pricewatch.com and a AMD Xp 2800 cost only $118 or could be different but none the less it is reasonable. I would have a hard time trying to buy a processor that cost $259 then one that cost under $230. I also have to calculate the cost of RAM I have one stick of DDR but with this motherboard and what I plan to do is not enough. I need to buy one or two more sticks of DDR. I have a 512MB 266Mhz stick already.
     
  8. Wallabe

    Wallabe TS Rookie Topic Starter

    Also do you need the same speed DDR Ram to make it run. I have a PC 2100 512 MB already and want to buy a PC2700 512MB. Would that run a conflict or would it be ohh k? Its going on my Asus A7V8X-X.
     
  9. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    Steg, some of the information you provided was incorrect. You can get a 2600+, with the cache of a 2500+/2800+. Take a look for yourself:

    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=1&submit=Go&description=2600+,barton

    Thats a 2600+ Barton.

    Wallabe, heres a little price comparason for you to realize whats best bang-for-buck:

    2500+ (1.83GHz) = $92
    2600+ Barton (1.9GHz) = $99
    2800+ (2.08GHz) = $175


    All these CPUs have 640KB of cache each. The 2400+ only has 384KB of cache, which will perform notably slower then a 2500.

    The 2500 is only 250MHz slower then the 2800+, and costs $83 less. So why would you go spend 175 dollars, when you could spend 92 dollars, on a CPU that will perform almost exactly the same. You could even OC the 2500+ 250MHz with the stock cooler, and there you have a 2800+ ;) The 2600+ is a whole 70MHz faster than the 2500+, and costs $7 more. Not really worth that $7 if you ask me, because thats $7 cheaper a SLK900 would be (SLK900=Best heatsink, runs about $50).

    Just thought you should see these figures, before going off and buying a 2800+ :cool:
     
  10. wicka_wicka

    wicka_wicka Banned Posts: 179

    If you're into overclocking you can't be into silence at the same time, unless you're a watercooler. A good overclocking heatsink would be a Volcano 12 Extreme.
     
  11. Justin

    Justin TS Rookie Posts: 1,595

    Don't overestimate the barton. Sure, a 2500+ with a much larger l2 cache, apps that are doing intense memory read/writes will have a good performance boost as opposed to a 2400+, but in raw number crunching, the 2400+ wins by sheer clock speed. L2 cache is not everything. I would rather overclock a tbred-b to 2300mhz then get a barton at 1.9/2ghz
     
     
  12. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    Well the 2400 runs at 2GHz. The 2500 is only 170MHz behind that. You wont notice a diffrence in performance (in real time) when comparing a 2GHz CPU against a 1.83GHz CPU. Not to mention, this 1.83GHz CPU we're talking about has 256KB more cache. Cache still really helps... Not to mention, you could OC a barton/2500+ to 2300MHz easy. They are very good overclockers ;)
     
  13. wicka_wicka

    wicka_wicka Banned Posts: 179

    I dunno, my 2100+ only OC'ed to 1851 (it was a Palomino, what do you expect?) and it seemed to raise my 3DMarks score quite nicely.
     
  14. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    Ofcourse, that was a benchmark. I said real time. You wont notice that the 2500+ takes 2 seconds longer then the 2800+ would.

    Also wicka, in another thread not to long ago, you said that Palomino's run cooler then TBreds. Inwhich case, why would you say
    :confused:
     
  15. wicka_wicka

    wicka_wicka Banned Posts: 179

    Palominos overclocking like sh!t dude...and by sh!t I mean very, very bad.
     
  16. Vehementi

    Vehementi TechSpot Paladin Posts: 3,199

    I got my 2100+ Palo up to 2036MHz with only a few stability problems after a pretty long time running. And it ran at 1936MHz perfectly stable and at great temps. My limiting factor was my RAM though.
     
  17. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 6,305   +52 Staff Member

    Not anymore. This was the case when the Tbred was first introduced, but I can honestly say my Tbred runs nearly 10*C cooler than my old Palamino (newer core) with the same heatsink.

    I can also overclock my Tbred some 350MHz beyond rated speed and it STILL runs cooler than my old Palamino 1700+.
     
  18. JackieChanIsGOD

    JackieChanIsGOD TS Rookie Posts: 83

    Yeah... i overclocked my 1800+ a whopping 100 mHz... hehe...
    You can EASILY get the 2500+ up to 2200 mHz... like, easy...
     
  19. Steg

    Steg TS Rookie Posts: 422

    tis true - palaminos didnt overclock very well at all - this is party to do with the fact that palaminos run on a 1.75v core by default and run VERY hot. With the bartons the core voltage dropped down to 1.65 and they ran considerably cooler (and faster :D)
    i hadnt seen anything on the barton 2600+ - soz - i didnt think they were going to do one

    Steg
     
  20. Wallabe

    Wallabe TS Rookie Topic Starter

    Ohh k look I see you guys are having fun with all this and what not. I have made my mind up to go with the 2800 333Mhz since it goes to the Motherboard And I'm getting 2 Sticks of 2700 DDR 512Mb for the hell of it. ITs really been a pleasure to have you guys discuss all the neat ways to cool a CPU.
     
  21. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    Why are you getting a 2800 when its ~200MHz faster then a 2500 and costs like $83 more?

    Not to mention if you are going to overclock, you could OC it a ton :confused: It just doesnt make much sence to me why one would get the 2800.. :blackeye:
     
  22. Wallabe

    Wallabe TS Rookie Topic Starter

    Agissi look both have the same core it doesnt matter which one I go with. The 2800 and 2500 both have the Barton Core. One just cost $70 more. The brite side of that is that I have the same motherboard as you there agissi. The Asus A7V8X-X. I want the 2800 because I can over clock it more with the amount of Ram I plan on getting and still be a safe range plus have better profomance then I would with the 2500. I just ask one question, What could I get and what would be better for my motherboard and someone already answered that one for me in a previous thread. I thank you for your input but seeing I dont have a problem spending the money and the plans to be above the 2 Ghz rim, the 2800 will be a wise choice for me at this time.
     
  23. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    Ok, whatever floats your boat, but I cant see a 2800+ being able to OC more then a 2500+ (ofcourse one could, but I think a 2500+ can go just as far if not furhter then a 2800.. but it is your money)

    As for your question.. I dont quite understand, what can you get for your mobo that would be better? You asking in general or wha :confused:
     
  24. wicka_wicka

    wicka_wicka Banned Posts: 179

    Highest 2800+ OC: 2545MHz.
    Highest 2500+ OC: 2810MHz.

    So if you've already bought a 2800+, you just wasted $70. At least you tried agissi...
     
  25. Wallabe

    Wallabe TS Rookie Topic Starter

    I didnt buy it yet and I siad I have the same motherboard as you agissi.
     
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