AMD admits to struggling with HD 5000 demand

[vimes1150]

I got a 5750, but I plan upgrading to 5850 mid-next year - hopefully by then the shortages will be solved, and prices lower.

 

[OneArmedScissor]

You ding dongs with your conspiracy theories need to keep up with the news better.

TSMC has had poor yields with 40nm from the very start, and it never really got better. 40nm GPUs have been used in a handful of cards since about March, and there was never enough supply of a single one, for either company.

Nvidia has never been able to keep their supply up, either, which is why they don't rely on 40nm for anything but low end/small/simple chips and up to midrange mobile cards, which still aren't really that complex compared to mid to high end desktop cards.

Look at the GT 240, which only just came out. It's not even as good as a 65nm 8800GT from two years ago. Do you really think they wouldn't be selling a revamped version of the 9800GTX+ if they had that option?

 

[JMMD]

My 8800GTS is still running strong. I haven't had an ATi card for a long time, always gone with Nvidia. This new series is very nice though and could be the one to make me convert over.

 

[harby]

Such a shame really. AMD has (had?) a great chance to flood the market with dx11 cards by the time nV introduces one in 2+ months from now. I hope they solve these wield issues and up the production because they really deserve it imo. If it wasn't for the 4xxx series we'd still be paying 250+ dollars for a mainstream card and 400+ for an enthusiast version instead of todays prices.

 

[Basher]

I feel really bad for AMD... this was the biggest chance they've had to cash in on their innovation and quick thinking, and now they've potentially lost out on huge profits due to this shortage.

 

[manintech]

I want to know how much profit they can make on such an expensive card

 

[mattfrompa]

Vrmithrax said:
Well, look at it this way... Would you rather have your products sitting on shelves collecting dust while your competition sells their superior product constantly, or be the biggest demand right now and unable to keep the product in stock? AMD may be having supply issues, and sales shortages, but at least they know they have a hot product, and the competition is scrambling to meet the challenge.

The tipping point will be if AMD can't get enough product out there, frustrates too many consumers itching to buy, and then nVidia hits the market with even an inferior (but close in performance) product. If they haven't fixed their supply problems, they may throw the advantage back over to nVidia again, basically shooting themselves in the foot - maybe even both feet, in that case.

Agreed, this is a problem a manufacture wants to have, but as you pointed out it is important for AMD to rectify the situation before consumers are off put from making the purchase at all, and inevitably give their business to their rival. Although I don't know if I agree that nVidia will produce an inferior product to combat ATI's offerings.

 

[kaonis92]

Seriously, who would pay for a 5970?? Even if you have a multiscreen configuration this card I just an overkill (it costs more than double the 5870 while offering about 40-45% in performance). I would rather buy a 5870 and in the future I'd consider an upgrade with a second 5870

 

[fref]

What I'd really like to see at this point is an article that says "Radeon 5000 series shortage finally over!" I have two of these on order, and I've been waiting for over a month now.

 

[buttus]

Blame TSMC for AMD's difficulty in getting cards out. Frankly I think there is a conspiracy as Nvidia benefits HUGELY from this shortage and they gain valuable time in trying to get a DX11 card out. It's awefully suspicious that during Christmas the biggest consumer purchase time of year, that TSMC should suddenly have chip yield issues when AMD has the overwhelming and commanding lead over Nvidia.

 

[kodrutz]

I've been using Radeons for a pretty long time now, starting with a 9200 64MB/128bit, then jumping to a X1950 Pro, and replacing it with a HD 4770 after some time. The funny part is that the system using that card had to face some electric shock and the PSU and HDD are gone, so now I am on the NVIDIA camp, using an old Athlon XP 2000+ with 512MB of memory, 8.4GB Seagate HDD and a GeForce 4 MX440 64MB/64bit, all powered by ZenWalk Linux.

Well, this may be almost antique hardware now, but it really gets the job done (working on a big online research/data entry/content editing project now on a pretty tight schedule, and can't afford wasting time on setting up all my Windows software again...).

 

[ken777]

This is sad. The 5800's were released 2 months ago. I just checked newegg and there isn't a single 5850, 5870, or 5970 in stock.

 

[claycc]

It's too bad ATI is missing out on a huge opportunity to eat away at Nvidia's market share. Nvidia will be releasing their new cards in the coming months which means more competition (and hopefully better prices for us).

 

[red1776]

I've been using Radeons for a pretty long time now, starting with a 9200 64MB/128bit, then jumping to a X1950 Pro, and replacing it with a HD 4770 after some time. The funny part is that the system using that card had to face some electric shock and the PSU and HDD are gone, so now I am on the NVIDIA camp, using an old Athlon XP 2000+ with 512MB of memory, 8.4GB Seagate HDD and a GeForce 4 MX440 64MB/64bit, all powered by ZenWalk Linux.

Well, this may be almost antique hardware now, but it really gets the job done (working on a big online research/data entry/content editing project now on a pretty tight schedule, and can't afford wasting time on setting up all my Windows software again...).

:haha::haha::haha:

 

[klepto12]

i am building a new i7 system around tax time and im just hoping that ati gets everything straight so i can have my 5850's in crossfire for the best system i would ever own

 

[Decimae]

It seems like the fermi isn't coming any time soon though.
I'm not getting a 5xxx because I just(1-2 months ago) bought my 4870 factory OC'd, and DX11 doesn't seem like a great reason to upgrade.

 

[Arthurik_jan]

I just checked one of the most famous retailers we have in C & E Europe and this is what I came across: http://www.alza.cz/EN/graphic-cards/ati/pcie-express/18849547.htm.

Although I am sitting on a 8800GT myself, all of the PCs I've built for my family members and friends contain ATI graphics.

 

[jerry53]

cool ati is coming up as a supreme waited a lot oftime to see this hope i can have this baby for my new build

 

[lewislau957]

It kinda does suck for ATI, that they just can't produce enough cards. But then again, it might be a good thing, since they can keep the prices of their cards high, and their product remains desirable. It's economics, better to limit the supply =).

 

[Kcircyrd]

"I prefer Radeaon, their cards tend to be cheaper than those by NVIDIA,"

Err, isn't that ATI?

 

[claycc]

It kinda does suck for ATI, that they just can't produce enough cards. But then again, it might be a good thing, since they can keep the prices of their cards high, and their product remains desirable. It's economics, better to limit the supply =).

I think the lack of demand is hurting more than it is helping. Less people are able to get their hands on ATI cards which means more people will be tempted to wait and see what Nvidia comes out with in 2010.

 

[topcoach]

My main reason for upgrading to a 5800 series video card is so I could run 3 monitors off of 1 video card. I don't play games much, but having lots of screen space is important for me. I'm running a 28" screen in the center (1980x1200) and 2 24" screens (one on each side 1980x1200 in portrait mode). Does anyone know if this configuration will work.

 

[hathost]

With all the supply problems being caused by TSMC I'm betting that AMD can't wait for GF to get their production up and running so the can get more product to market. I picked up a 4890 card months back and am not particularly affected by this problem fortunately and I'll be waiting for the next generation of cards coming out before upgrading anyway. I definately don't see why they didn't keep the bus size 256 though for the 5770. If they release something similar to the card I have now price/preformance wise I would consider it though since the idle and max power as well as temps are much better than the card I currently have. Can't wait to see NVIDIA's product so we can get the prices down as well.

 

[Orionlocke]

Thats no joke about the shortages. I've been keeping a look out on the online stores for the 5870 and the new 5970 but they have been sold out for weeks. Evey time I look everything is out of stock. Crazy! I've always liked the ATI cards, it's nice to see them compete (and own right now) the top spot for performance with the high end 5000 series cards!

 

[Heretic]

Honestly, I think it's good business practice to release things on time. The few that get it on time will take it and review it and more people will be able to decide if they want these or not. As far as the shortages go, this is just a step in the advancement in science and technology. Not everything works out the first time around. They have lots of time to get their process sorted out to prevent future shortages.