AMD admits to struggling with HD 5000 demand

By Justin
Nov 25, 2009
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  1. klepto12

    klepto12 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,364   +9

    lol well all i know is the 40nm process is not a new process which means that they should not have problems on yields with it in turn that points a finger in the general direction of the bigger company aka Nvidia catch what im saying?
  2. danteoz

    danteoz Newcomer, in training Posts: 41

    I'm definitely looking to get one HD 5000 series card the eyefinity and dx11 will be nice, plus 1GB GDDR5 instead of the 512MB on my HD 2600xt
  3. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,867   +74

    oh i was having a spot of fun guest, but i am serious. I will bet that within two weeks before, or the week of Fermis launch that this 'bad yield' will go away. if TSMC was having yield problems, they would have known it long ago. just watch, when Fermi is launched, 40nm cards will be superfluous. :)
  4. Adhmuz

    Adhmuz TechSpot Paladin Posts: 893   +98

    I kinda like were Red went with this, the whole Nvidia is controlling the 40nm wafer supply to keep ATI from getting to much of a lead. But if they were that clever they would cut the price of their current stock as to be "competitive" with what ATI came out with. I know Nvidia doesn't understand competitive pricing but maybe just maybe someone will tell them one day and they could lower there prices. It only makes sense, your going to get a 5850 for $300 oh wait its out of stock, well the GTX 285 is now only $250 well thats not such a bad deal. But I'm just dreaming here I guess.
  5. ET3D

    ET3D TechSpot Paladin Posts: 948   +28

    I just got a 5750, too. I think the shortage is mainly for the 58x0 series, which makes sense, since these has twice as many transistors as the 57x0 so get lower yields. NVIDIA has an even larger chip, so suffers even more from this.
  6. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,783   +638

    Hiya red1776 - I logged in this time (no fun being "Guest"). While TSMC might value nv as a first tier customer, I'd be pretty certain they wouldn't crap all over AMD/ATI regardless of the fact that they will lose at least a portion of their custon to GloFo in future. Might it not be more reasonable to suspect that when ATI ordered their wafers that they thought nvidia might launch Fermi on time and would be looking at splitting potential GPU sales- so simply ordered less to ensure that they weren't carrying excess stock in Q4 (thus improving accounting numbers), and secondly underestimated demand, especially in light of having the DX11 playing field for themselves. Logical or no ?
  7. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,867   +74

    Hi dividebyzero, and welcome to Techspot :)
    I absolutely do think your position is well thought out and completely plausible, as a matter of fact, i had the thought that AMD would choose to launch now (even with limited supply) to make the bottom line look better at the end of fiscal. so yes I have had the same line of thought. the thing that bothers me (and gets me to my conspiratorial theory) is that 40 nm is not new to TMSC. I really think that shortly after the Christmas season, and when Fermi is about to go public, the 'bad yield will go away.
    tell ya what, after Fermi launches, if i am wrong....I will buy you a beer! :)
  8. Puiu

    Puiu TechSpot Addict Posts: 1,022   +87

    Even with few products on the market, they are making a lot of profit now. The cards are selling as fast as they are making them and they also sell them for a higher than expected price. But they need to increase yields by the end of this year or at least by the end of January or NVIDIA will be able to catch up to them fast. It all depends on how fast and how good Fermi is.
  9. TomSEA

    TomSEA TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,319   +370

    You "guest" slash "real guys" are cracking me up... ;)
  10. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,783   +638

    It will be interesting for sure.
    My reasoning revolves around the supposedly published material regarding 40nm yields- I think the figure bandied around is 40%- if this is the case (and assuming nvidia/AMD are split equally on wafers) then even with a 100% yield that would mean 2.5 times the HD5xxx in the OEM/retail channel. Would this satisfy demand ?
    Secondly, TSMC are themselves quoted as saying that their yields are around 60%* (inferring 1.7 times the availability at 100% yield-which is definitely under the consumer demand) (* source EETimes et al).
    Lastly, I'm pretty sure the Altera FGPA contract with TSMC is also 40nm and they haven't reported yield issues, so I agree with you that the yield issue is most likely a bit of a whipping-boy- I just find it a little easier to believe that AMD under-ordered due to the sea of red ink they swim in rather than nvidia putting the squeeze on TSMC, especially as the 40nm GPU market accounts for approx 4% of TSMC's business. If nvidia can do that then what could Altera, Broadcomm, Qualcomm, Marvell, LSI etc do ?
    Anyhow, as you say, time will tell. I (and everyone else I think) need both the products and the competition that it brings.Have a great thanksgiving.
    And TomSEA...glad to oblige!
  11. sky_could_fall

    sky_could_fall Newcomer, in training Posts: 17

    I`m a Radeon user too. I have 4770 and I`m very pleased with it. I think AMD didn`t count that there new GPU would be soo popular. If nVidia doesn`t come up with "famous" Fermi they will be loosing lots of bucks because the Xmass fever will be over when they finally put Fermi in the market.
     
  12. PNagy

    PNagy Newcomer, in training

    I have a 3870X2 and when I bought it it was the same issue. The card was unavailable on the market so I had to wait weeks. By the way Nvidia's situation was the same. The 9800GTX and GX2 were the brand new cards at that time but it appeared only at reviewer's sites not in shops.
  13. Styl

    Styl TechSpot Member Posts: 61

    I've got a 4850 and would love to get my hands on a 5850 or 5870. Probably won't have enough money until next year, though.
  14. Razerblade

    Razerblade Newcomer, in training Posts: 117

    This is not good for AMD at all! These are some of the best cards around and they need to sell as many as possible. Nvidia will soon bring out a better card which means all the sales for the 5000 range will move to the new Nvidia Series!
  15. Nirkon

    Nirkon TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 243

    I'm very curious as to what Nvidia has in store... no
    one can be sure it will beat the 5970, so even if its short on stock it might
    sell well after nvidia launches their cards as well
  16. Elohim83

    Elohim83 Newcomer, in training

    To the bosses at ADM: Less apologinzing, more producing the units.
    Get to it gentlemen.
  17. Afenix

    Afenix Newcomer, in training Posts: 51

    I'm already waiting a month for my xfx 5870... Seem's that i'll get it only after the new year :(
  18. slh28

    slh28 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,925   +170

    I don't think it's a big deal that AMD have supply shortages in the run up to Xmas, I mean a graphics card isn't exactly a stocking filler for your family & friends, but something that you buy for yourself. But what would be a problem for AMD is if the GT300's turn out to be faster and come to the market sooner than expected.

    Still, I guess it's good that AMD aren't raising their prices because they have no competition in the high-end segment, which is not something that could be said about NVIDIA over the last few years...
     
  19. klepto12

    klepto12 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,364   +9

    i agree about ati needing to get a fire under there butts and get these video cards rolling so people can enjoy them but also so we can have price wars on the video cards that are out now. i mean who wouldnt want to pick up a gtx 295 for $300? or a 4870 x2 for $200?
  20. Inioch

    Inioch Newcomer, in training

    Everyone knows the itch to get a new card every time a new generation comes out.
    I've been trying to keep myself from buying one, since my 4870 is still good enough for the things I play.
  21. yorro

    yorro TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 243

    Good news for people who are still stuck at 06-07 cards.
  22. Afenix

    Afenix Newcomer, in training Posts: 51

    Battleforge already got a dx11 patch.
    Stalker: call of prypiat is already on his way
    just like DiRT2
    Alien vs Predator
    DICE is working on the new frostbite 2 engine

    DX11 is coming sooner than you think :)
  23. BlackIrish

    BlackIrish Newcomer, in training Posts: 84

    I'm in the same boat as you are - the only problem is that I can't buy the new card (even with the inflated price) because what would I do then with the old 4850 card? If I sell it, I would get like what, $60-70?
  24. Serag

    Serag TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 179

    @ yorro
    completely agreed!..since I am one of them..
    too embarrassed tho to say which card I still use...
  25. muljator

    muljator Newcomer, in training

    it's interesting to see that even western countries have supply shortages for hardware once in a while. for us 2nd grade citizens of the world (croatia, europe) it's a every day reality. the funny thing is that we actualy have enough of 5000 series on the market. even 5970, probably becouse nobody wants to buy them at prices of 900$.
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