AMD admits to struggling with HD 5000 demand

While I'd love to have a 5790 I don't see it being financially feasible for myself. Maybe a 5750/5770 in the new year when the prices drop a bit.

I just got myself a 5750, it seems that there is no shortage at my place here for the 5000 series but I cant get any 4800 series that I planned to get initially.

Still waiting for the card to mature first. No real incentive to invest in one now since there's not a lot of DX11 games out there yet. My 4890 still able to support me for my gaming needs. ^^

A number of us, myself included haven't had much luck with spare cash for this sort of thing. I'm still using a 9800 gtx +. It serves me well enough but it's showing its age a little bit in terms of framerates on newer games on higher resolutions and detail level. I personally would LOVE to get my hands on a monster like the 5970. I don't even care if DX11 is supported or not with most games yet. I just need a new powerhouse to support me until games that DO use it come out.

But again, like many have already said, none of us are getting one until AMD starts making some better business choices with their card supplies. If they can make a push and get a big supply out to the market in time for the holidays, they're going to rake in a TON of dough and then they can improve their manufacturing and make their 40nm process easier. Whether it's by researching more efficient techniques, or by getting another factory to make these things, it'd be a step in the right direction for them.

I've got a 4850 and I'm pretty happy with it, however Crysis tells me it would seriously love a 5850 =)

lol well all i know is the 40nm process is not a new process which means that they should not have problems on yields with it in turn that points a finger in the general direction of the bigger company aka Nvidia catch what im saying?

I'm definitely looking to get one HD 5000 series card the eyefinity and dx11 will be nice, plus 1GB GDDR5 instead of the 512MB on my HD 2600xt

oh i was having a spot of fun guest, but i am serious. I will bet that within two weeks before, or the week of Fermis launch that this 'bad yield' will go away. if TSMC was having yield problems, they would have known it long ago. just watch, when Fermi is launched, 40nm cards will be superfluous.

I kinda like were Red went with this, the whole Nvidia is controlling the 40nm wafer supply to keep ATI from getting to much of a lead. But if they were that clever they would cut the price of their current stock as to be "competitive" with what ATI came out with. I know Nvidia doesn't understand competitive pricing but maybe just maybe someone will tell them one day and they could lower there prices. It only makes sense, your going to get a 5850 for $300 oh wait its out of stock, well the GTX 285 is now only $250 well thats not such a bad deal. But I'm just dreaming here I guess.

I just got a 5750, too. I think the shortage is mainly for the 58x0 series, which makes sense, since these has twice as many transistors as the 57x0 so get lower yields. NVIDIA has an even larger chip, so suffers even more from this.

Hiya red1776 - I logged in this time (no fun being "Guest"). While TSMC might value nv as a first tier customer, I'd be pretty certain they wouldn't crap all over AMD/ATI regardless of the fact that they will lose at least a portion of their custon to GloFo in future. Might it not be more reasonable to suspect that when ATI ordered their wafers that they thought nvidia might launch Fermi on time and would be looking at splitting potential GPU sales- so simply ordered less to ensure that they weren't carrying excess stock in Q4 (thus improving accounting numbers), and secondly underestimated demand, especially in light of having the DX11 playing field for themselves. Logical or no ?

Hi dividebyzero, and welcome to Techspot
I absolutely do think your position is well thought out and completely plausible, as a matter of fact, i had the thought that AMD would choose to launch now (even with limited supply) to make the bottom line look better at the end of fiscal. so yes I have had the same line of thought. the thing that bothers me (and gets me to my conspiratorial theory) is that 40 nm is not new to TMSC. I really think that shortly after the Christmas season, and when Fermi is about to go public, the 'bad yield will go away.
tell ya what, after Fermi launches, if i am wrong....I will buy you a beer!

Even with few products on the market, they are making a lot of profit now. The cards are selling as fast as they are making them and they also sell them for a higher than expected price. But they need to increase yields by the end of this year or at least by the end of January or NVIDIA will be able to catch up to them fast. It all depends on how fast and how good Fermi is.

You "guest" slash "real guys" are cracking me up...

It will be interesting for sure.
My reasoning revolves around the supposedly published material regarding 40nm yields- I think the figure bandied around is 40%- if this is the case (and assuming nvidia/AMD are split equally on wafers) then even with a 100% yield that would mean 2.5 times the HD5xxx in the OEM/retail channel. Would this satisfy demand ?
Secondly, TSMC are themselves quoted as saying that their yields are around 60%* (inferring 1.7 times the availability at 100% yield-which is definitely under the consumer demand) (* source EETimes et al).
Lastly, I'm pretty sure the Altera FGPA contract with TSMC is also 40nm and they haven't reported yield issues, so I agree with you that the yield issue is most likely a bit of a whipping-boy- I just find it a little easier to believe that AMD under-ordered due to the sea of red ink they swim in rather than nvidia putting the squeeze on TSMC, especially as the 40nm GPU market accounts for approx 4% of TSMC's business. If nvidia can do that then what could Altera, Broadcomm, Qualcomm, Marvell, LSI etc do ?
Anyhow, as you say, time will tell. I (and everyone else I think) need both the products and the competition that it brings.Have a great thanksgiving.
And TomSEA...glad to oblige!

I`m a Radeon user too. I have 4770 and I`m very pleased with it. I think AMD didn`t count that there new GPU would be soo popular. If nVidia doesn`t come up with "famous" Fermi they will be loosing lots of bucks because the Xmass fever will be over when they finally put Fermi in the market.

I have a 3870X2 and when I bought it it was the same issue. The card was unavailable on the market so I had to wait weeks. By the way Nvidia's situation was the same. The 9800GTX and GX2 were the brand new cards at that time but it appeared only at reviewer's sites not in shops.

I've got a 4850 and would love to get my hands on a 5850 or 5870. Probably won't have enough money until next year, though.

This is not good for AMD at all! These are some of the best cards around and they need to sell as many as possible. Nvidia will soon bring out a better card which means all the sales for the 5000 range will move to the new Nvidia Series!

I'm very curious as to what Nvidia has in store... no
one can be sure it will beat the 5970, so even if its short on stock it might
sell well after nvidia launches their cards as well