There are many just in the Prosumer, Content creator, Professional Market.
You can game on TR but that is not its market. The people building with this part will be generating an income from it.
AMD announces Threadripper 3990X: 64 cores / 128 threads for $3,990
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There are many just in the Prosumer, Content creator, Professional Market.
You can game on TR but that is not its market. The people building with this part will be generating an income from it.
When intel finally gets to 7nm I believe it will be faster. From what I've read there 7nm would be more more dense then TMSC 7nm. There 10nm is suppose to be close to what TMSC is currently offering. However by the time intel get there AMD will be on 5nm
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wiyosaya
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And a lot of people have completely tired of all the games sIntel is playing. sIntel just has to discover this themselves.
From what you have said in prior posts, perhaps a good self-examination would be in order?
wiyosaya
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However by the time intel get there AMD <- you can say that again!
lol will be on 5nm not sure why that didn't post.
wiyosaya
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But that arrogance will only take them so far. I've seen other arrogant companies suffer, at least one, Kodak, much more so than sIntel probably will.
yRaz
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Did you read my other posts in this thread?
dirtyferret
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Not sure which one you mean, the one where you incorrectly stated the rate of inflation in the US was 7% when it was actually 1.8%? Are you requesting that I correct all your incorrect information? I appreciate the generous offer bur frankly don't have the time.
EEatGDL
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Yes, Intel PR. Look, I worked at Intel until December 20, I read the quarterly reports and attended the quarterly presentations. What do you mean with that infographic?
Intel has no leadership in AI, and they [engineers] know it. The OpenVino thing is just marketing for their CLX Xeons.
Intel is not a serious player by any stretch of the imagination in the graphics market, outside of market share because of iGPs. It hasn't been and it won't be when they launch their dGPU.
What I said about fabs can't be pinpointed to anything in a financial report. Is just fundamental analysis and history repeating itself. If they miss again with 7nm deadlines, they will lose the remaining credibility. They are saying they can go there faster than it took them to get to 10nm.
If they miss it, I'm going bearish on 2023: $50b annual revenue (factoring growth in Mobileye segment, shrink in DCG, CCG, and neutral on NSG). Expect mass layoffs either on Q2'20 or Q1/Q2'21; regardless on what's happening with manufacturing.
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Morris Minor
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BOOM
hahahanoobs
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AMD is a component company. They've exhausted their core count strategy and now have to go head on with what has plagued them for decades - clock speeds, thermals and consistency.
Good luck, AMD.
Looks like they don't need luck. AMD has all of the top selling cpu's on Amazon. Intel doesn't even show up until 14th place...OUCH! Clearly it's Intel that has exhausted it's strategy and needs to do something for it's own processors to compete better on merit.
hahahanoobs
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English isn't your best language. Read what I said again, then look at what you wrote, then try again.
Yep. I read it, and I understood it. Perhaps it's your intent that I didn't read. The 1st sentence has nothing to do with the 2nd. They had higher clock speeds during FX...clock speeds aren't everything. Consistency...BLAH BLAH BLAH....that can mean anything. Thermals...meaningless by itself. What matters is the end result.
yRaz
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I say that because you brought up mobile and AMD doesn't plan on having competing mobile parts until the 4000 series is released. I don't know why people keep bringing up markets AMD isnt trying to compete in(yet) as evidence of Intel dominating them.
And you can go ahead and correct everything I'm wrong about in this thread. I'm looking for it now, but the number 7% cam from Paul Krugman talking about the bailout during the 2008 recession. While my information might be out of date or incorrect, I do have sources for everything I post.
The only thing they need to work on is consistency and with Lisa Su at the helm things are looking good.
Physics doesn't care for Brand loyalty Intel will also be dealing with Clock speeds and Thermals issues going forward.
There is a reason why these intel new processors on 10nm all have lower clock speeds and that will continue as they go to smaller nm's.
We will be see more increases to IPC and less clock speed increased unless we start making cpu's from a different material than silicon.
Squid Surprise
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Actually, the rate of inflation in the US in 2008 was only 0.1%.... the lowest in over 50 years...
2008 inflation rate at 0.1%, slowest gain in 54 years for consumer prices | US Inflation Calculator
The annual rate of U.S. inflation plunged to 0.1% in 2008, with consumer prices driven down by falling energy prices. The cost of living dropped for Americans as prices dipped for the third straight month, and showed the slowest 12-month gain since 1954, the Labor Department reported Friday. The...
www.usinflationcalculator.com
In the last 20 years or so, it has fluxuated between that and 4% at the very highest (2007), averaging about 2%...
It's not since the late 70s early 80s that the inflation rate was ever over 6-7%....
Historic inflation United States – historic CPI inflation United States
Historic inflation United States – Historic CPI inflation United States
www.inflation.eu
EEatGDL
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Look, you are free to think and say whatever you want, that doesn't make you right. For more than five years I saw Intel canceling and dropping the ball in projects left and right and recycling the same architecture. Losing leadership in many areas it was the historical king.
AMD will not single-handedly kill it, but between Qualcomm, AMD, NVIDIA, RISC-V initiative, Samsung, and TSMC will slowly crush it in the next five years. We can have a lot more real and grounded discussion in a few years; now you can cling to past successes like Intel does. Like for real, you're hilariously close to the wording and arguments internally used to sell the Kool-aid.
I see more benefit coming to the x86 ecosystem from AMD in the next years, than Intel. Intel will continue delaying 10nm and launching 14nm in desktop until 2021.
* Intel lost the technology and market share lead in fabs during 2019 to TSMC. Trend will continue and technology gap will continue to grow.
* HEDT performance leadership was lost in 2018, obliterated in 2019.
* They gave away 5G modems in 2019. I don't believe they will be able to compete in 5G edge computing.
* Intel is absolutely irrelevant in the ADAS space, just marketing, just an attempt to sell their Goldmont (Atom) SoCs.
* Intel's security is a mess, you can thank them now for enabling the piracy of 4K Blu-ray in the near future.
* Intel just lost leadership in mobile CPUs. I expect them to lose Apple in this space in this year or the next.
* I expect Intel to lose mainstream desktop performance leadership this year.
* Intel dGPUs will launch DoA [if not canceled] as a value and performance proposal. Probably useful for niche scenarios.
* Intel will absolutely lose any remaining leadership in server performance on 2021.
amstech
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I would be highly surprised if Intel didn't come out with something better within 18 months. I enjoy watching AMD slap them across the face, they needed the wake up call, but it is not their fault that until Ryzen, the competition sucked.
AMD's been the hot CPU for about 18 seconds, but if you compare Intel to AMD core for core, they are about even across all benchmarks (not including games), like if you compared the 8/16's (9900K and 3800X)...in fact Intel wins a few benches.
It's only when AMD outnumbers them in cores they pull ahead, and that crown will be short lived.
AMD's been the hot CPU for about 18 seconds, but if you compare Intel to AMD core for core, they are about even across all benchmarks (not including games), like if you compared the 8/16's (9900K and 3800X)...in fact Intel wins a few benches.
It's only when AMD outnumbers them in cores they pull ahead, and that crown will be short lived.
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cliffordcooley
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I don't know! I was kinda expecting a response to Ryzen from them before now. If Intel doesn't get a grip on sub 10nm die, their ship will sink. I'm beginning to think they would rather sink, than contract from other fabs.
yRaz
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Well I stand correctedActually, the rate of inflation in the US in 2008 was only 0.1%.... the lowest in over 50 years...
2008 inflation rate at 0.1%, slowest gain in 54 years for consumer prices | US Inflation Calculator
The annual rate of U.S. inflation plunged to 0.1% in 2008, with consumer prices driven down by falling energy prices. The cost of living dropped for Americans as prices dipped for the third straight month, and showed the slowest 12-month gain since 1954, the Labor Department reported Friday. The...
In the last 20 years or so, it has fluxuated between that and 4% at the very highest (2007), averaging about 2%...
It's not since the late 70s early 80s that the inflation rate was ever over 6-7%....
Historic inflation United States – historic CPI inflation United States
Historic inflation United States – Historic CPI inflation United States
Lol. You diss on AMD saying they've been the hot CPU for 18 seconds and yet you want people to wait 18 *months* for Intel to have something to compete, and have the gall to call that wait "short lived".
Excessive use of hyperbole drains any value from your arguments.
Squid Surprise
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Well, dissing aside, 18 months isn’t that long.... AMD spent many years being pulverized until Ryzen came along. Intel has far more resources, so why assume they’re “dead”?
its really only the fan boys saying intel is dead.
They are most likely children anyone that understands a business, the market place and with simple google search of intel resources know that is far from the truth.
But let AMD have their time its been 10 years after all.
cliffordcooley
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That's what I'm saying. The last five years we have been asking AMD to come on and compete. They did and now here we are. Assuming they will keep it up when Intel gains traction again. That will be interesting times for us all.
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