AMD Bulldozer FX 8150p vs Intel i7-2600k for gaming

[SKYSTAR]

i think you are using the wrong metric. Gaming is overall very GPU dependent and unless you are going to play at a very small resolution, any reasonably fast quad+ comparison is going to yield this result.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/phenom-ii-x4-980-be-processor-review/15

in this review even in low resolution(1024x 768) intel i7 2600k surpass amd phenom ii x6 with 42 fps so from that i can Conclude that both cpu and gpu play a huge role in gaming.

 

[SKYSTAR]

i bought an amd cpu not because it's superb performance vs intel cpus but because the only advantage for amd was that you can have a better cpu at an affordable price
but if AMD 8150p doesn't surpass i5 2500k in gaming performance , this advantage will disappear so intel will be in the lead for performnce and value

 

[red1776]

First of all, it's not "even at low resolutions" its "only at low resolutions" was the point I was making. Unless you are playing at a tiny 1024 x 768 resolution, I think you are expecting a result in gaming that you will not get by upping your CPU from a AMD to an intel.
Secondly,

i bought an amd cpu not because it's superb performance vs intel cpus but because the only advantage for amd was that you can have a better cpu at an affordable price

Umm...When was the AMD 'better' or 'superb' at gamimg or anything else than the intel's?? the i7/i5 9xx's /8xx beat the Phenom II's and Athlon II's just as the i7/i5/2xxxx do now. If the FX 8150P priced $70.00 less than the i2600K, comes in second performance wise, it will be status quo. I dont see this magical "better than Intel' that you think will be whisked away if the 8150 does not beat the i2500K

this advantage will disappear so intel will be in the lead for performance and value

actually , if the 8150P does come in second, the PP situation will stay just about the same.

Your whole premise is that as of right now, you get a "better" and "superb" CPU for less money with AMD (with current CPU's). Then you point out that Intel gets more FPS at low resolution (with current CPU's). Then say that the AMD advantage will "disappear' (over Current CPU's) if the next generation does not beat the Intels...They are either better...or they're not.
If the new AMD FX 8150P (the flagship) comes in second to the i2600K (Intels Flagship) and the 8120P comes in second to the i2500k, you will have the same situation in the PP hierarchy you have now...which according to you is "better" and "superb'. actually, it would be even better than it is right now as a few Intel models beat the current AMD flagship (1100T)

SKYSTAR said:
then i will say Fu<k you AMD and forever.

...I think your CPU rage is blinding you

 

[dividebyzero]

but if AMD 8150p doesn't surpass i5 2500k in gaming performance...

>I doubt there will be much in it either way - most gaming benchmarks should be within a few fps. There will probably also be instances where Intel's CPU's are significantly faster ( higher number of instructions per clock cycle for the most part).
>The 8120 likely has more appeal in any case (lower cost, equal OC ability)
> Don't look for Intel to chop prices, so AMD will dovetail their SKU pricing within Intel's existing pricing structure. AMD can't afford a price war with Intel, and Intel can't afford for AMD to go under ( monopoly regulations, Abu Dhabi billionaires ready to buy/restructure/cash-infuse*)

this advantage will disappear so intel will be in the lead for performnce and value

Sorry to burst your bubble, but AMD's supposed performance/value is largely a myth now. Core i3 is generally a better performance option than Athlon II/Phenom II. At this stage all AMD is concerned with is getting closer to where Intel is now.

that's enough trolling for now

Thanks, I was getting sick of the hyperbole

right now i am in amd side but if AMD 8150p doesn't surpass i5 2500k in gaming performance ,then i will say Fu<k you AMD and forever.

HEY ! I thought you said you were through trolling ???

@red
U got a good source for freshly ground teff ?
Like most sourdough's Injera require a strong/robust starter - your climate may work against you if you have wild temp extremes. Air-con is a big no-no also. Good quality wild yeast starter, some plastic buckets and an out-of the-way place - REMEMBER TO FEED THE B1TCH**

* Assuming x86 cross-license is transferrable in a take-over/acquisition situation...if it isn't...nice knowing you AMD.

** B1tch = Starter in kitchen lingo

 

[red1776]

**** do you really think the 8120 will have the same OC-ability as the 8150? I was betting that it didn't with all the problems and attributing part of the delay to the extra careful 'binning' they were doing as a result. Maybe I will save a few bucks since I dont think it will be in my system for more than 4-6 months.

@red
U got a good source for freshly ground teff ?
Like most sourdough's Injera require a strong/robust starter - your climate may work against you if you have wild temp extremes. Air-con is a big no-no also. Good quality wild yeast starter, some plastic buckets and an out-of the-way place - REMEMBER TO FEED THE B1TCH**

* Assuming x86 cross-license is transferrable in a take-over/acquisition situation...if it isn't...nice knowing you AMD.

** B1tch = Starter in kitchen

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Well i am assuming that i do. i get it (teff) from an authentic Ethiopian/ east African store in Mpls < thats Minneapolis BTW . i am getting the good 'sour' taste, but the density just sucks. I think the temperature thing may be it. We are having a long stretch of 30c weather right now, so i will try it again. I buy stacks of Teff injera from the place but the failure I have been met with in making my own is getting personal:haha:

** B1tch = Starter in kitchen

So is the teff sitting in the bucket the B1tch? or am I the B1tch?:haha:

BTW, its about harvest time for my pepper garden...Jalapeño/chili/banana/Cayenne. any ideas on a good pepper-heavy recipe?

 

[SKYSTAR]

hello guys
all we know that FX 8150p ($230) will not be faster than i7 990x ($1000) ,so i searched in the web and i found a great review.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-2600k-990x_4.html#sect0
in this review i5 2500k($ 216) beat i7 990x ($1000) in gaming performance, from that i can conclude that i5 2500k($216) will apparently beat FX 8150p ($230), so i5 2500k will be the best choice for gaming (with only $216 you can get a cpu that surpass the $1000 cpu) , anyway i5 2500k will be (cheaper and faster)=(better) than amd FX 8150p

 

[dividebyzero]

**** do you really think the 8120 will have the same OC-ability as the 8150? I was betting that it didn't with all the problems and attributing part of the delay to the extra careful 'binning' they were doing as a result. Maybe I will save a few bucks since I dont think it will be in my system for more than 4-6 months.

If the lower binned parts are castrated to the point where only the top bin can achieve ~5G on air, then AMD are toast. The FX-4xxx won't be far off in stock form, so you would think that 25-30% OC should be attainable across the board

Well i am assuming that i do. i get it (teff) from an authentic Ethiopian/ east African store in Mpls < thats Minneapolis BTW . i am getting the good 'sour' taste, but the density just sucks.

How so? Too soft...soggy...?
Most sourdough flatbreads I make are more middle eastern/sub continent (Sangak/Naan/Paratha) and we have a wood-fired oven for that sort of thing (+ pizza's of course). Had a quick browse and found this. Had a quick look at the video links and it looks reasonably competant.

I think the temperature thing may be it. We are having a long stretch of 30c weather right now, so i will try it again.

Mix may be over-proving and producing air pockets right up through the cooking process if the Injera is sloppy/breaking up when cooked -trapped water vapour.

BTW, its about harvest time for my pepper garden...Jalapeño/chili/banana/Cayenne. any ideas on a good pepper-heavy recipe?

My personal taste runs to SE Asian foods rather than African. All my extra chillies go into making masala's (Goan and Madrassi more often than not), and of course, you can't get too adventurous with the spices and hots in a restaurant enviroment.
I'd probably suggest Thai or Caribbean cuisine for using fresh peppers, and maybe experiment with spice rubs/mixes (variations on Harissa etc), chilli jams/marmalades - handy if you like pizza's/calzone- use the Injera starter and a good quality olive oil to make the dough, stir through chili jam/dried and/or smoked peppers then wrap it and toss it in the refrigerator - pull off a hunk whenever you feel like it and whip up calzones at short notice. The dough keeps pretty well in the fridge and can pull double duty as dumpling dough ( asian style- minced pork, scallions, spices, chillies, lemongrass...or whatever, roll out small rounds, spoonful of filling, close the dumpling around the filling, poach in asian themed soup, toss in some straw mushrooms and you're good to go - that sort of thing.

...in this review i5 2500k($ 216) beat i7 990x ($1000) in gaming performance

People don't buy a $999 CPU for gaming. The 990X is bought by people who:
1. Need the productivity levels it offers in content creation applications, but don't need/can't afford Xeon
2. Live to benchmark
2a Want/need bragging rights because their life revolves around things that run off electricity and the internet.
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657. Gaming

from that i can conclude that i5 2500k($216) will apparently beat FX 8150p ($230)

You shouldn't be concluding anything until the reviews are in... For instance:
990X handily beats 2600K in AvP once you crank up the processing levels for example

so i5 2500k will be the best choice for gaming (with only $216 you can get a cpu that surpass the $1000 cpu) , anyway i5 2500k will be (cheaper and faster)=(better) than amd FX 8150p

If ALL you use a computer for is gaming, then you could well be right. Very few people I know of use their computer solely for gaming.

 

[red1776]

The FX-4xxx won't be far off in stock form, so you would think that 25-30% OC should be attainable across the board

It was the 100Mhz only boost and the alleged yield issue that gave me that thought. i like your theory better.

How so? Too soft...soggy...?

No, those are about spot on. i guess a better way to put it is the air pockets (or lack of them) I have been assuming that its not 'rising/curing' correctly. The taste is good-texture bad. I dont know about you, but I am a texture eater so it doesn't fly with me.

The harvest is excellent. i went out about an hour ago and discovered alot more than I thought. The Jalapeño plants are going nuts 40+ per plant , so i will try all of the above. (I think I just drooled on my keyboard Thanks Chef.

*******I just had a read of the link. it has to be that I am doing this in the wrong temp, or need to change the recipe for my altitude. everything else is on par. I think a bit more patience is in order*****

 

[SKYSTAR]

hey is there anyone saw the review that i Added it in my post , please give me a replay or a comment.

 

[red1776]

all we know that FX 8150p ($230) will not be faster than i7 990x ($1000) ,so i searched in the web and i found a great review.

We do? If you have inside info...please share. It might turn out that is the way it is, but that is some faulty logic you have going there. I would actually take your bet from those numbers that the 8150 will beat the i990 in gaming. What I dont understand is why a few scant days before having conclusive numbers and benches, you are so eager to force your extrapolation and conjecture. if you want a i2500k, then get one. but you (we) know very little to nothing about the 8150 performance. AMD is billing this release as a gaming CPU , so it is every bit as likey that it will perform right on par with Intels top offering in the gaming dept.

 

[SKYSTAR]

are you saying that amd 8150p will probably beat i7 990x???

 

[dividebyzero]

i guess a better way to put it is the air pockets (or lack of them) I have been assuming that its not 'rising/curing' correctly. The taste is good-texture bad. I dont know about you, but I am a texture eater so it doesn't fly with me.

If the density is good but the texture ("airiness") isn't there then it's usually down to a not-aggressive/not active enough starter, overworking the batter just before cooking or too cold an oven/overcooking - I'd discount the latter if the cooking time is about right.
Maybe ask the Ethiopian shop if you could have just a little of their starter...tell them you'll look after it, feed it, care for it and maybe put it through college if need (knead) be. If you beg they might help you out. Not all yeasts are created equal and they may have a goodie.

are you saying that amd 8150p will probably beat i7 990x???

No.
He's saying you can't make a definitive statement until all the evidence is in.
People who confuse assumption with fact often end up looking like fools (ancient New Zealand proverb)

 

[red1776]

are you saying that amd 8150p will probably beat i7 990x???

There has to be a language barrier at play here...

I think its more likely than plausible yes. i would take that as a bet on even money.
here's why;
the i990x loses to the 2600K and the 2500K in these benches. AMD is billing this as a gaming CPU. I don't believe they would let the flagship out of the door if it could not beat the third place, last gen , CPU from Intel. If thats the case it's a disaster for them. That of course is my speculation/guess, but I think it even more likely than your 2500K>i990x>8150P scenario. If you are going to extrapolate and guess, you can just as easily come up with a scenario the opposite of what you did.

I don't have a proverb handy, and I like this one:

No.
He's saying you can't make a definitive statement until all the evidence is in.
People who confuse assumption with fact often end up looking like fools (ancient New Zealand proverb)

 

[red1776]

Maybe ask the Ethiopian shop if you could have just a little of their starter...tell them you'll look after it, feed it, care for it and maybe put it through college if need (knead) be. If you beg they might help you out. Not all yeasts are created equal and they may have a goodie.

:haha::haha:

Thats a great idea, they make it on site...and its awfully good.
I bet he would let us borrow a cup of starter...and the guy is awfully friendly....to my wife...hmmmm

 

[SKYSTAR]

do you think that this review is true,
http://lenzfire.com/2011/07/bulldozer-sample-vs-core-i7-990x-in-sli-test/

 

[dividebyzero]

do you think that this review is true,
http://lenzfire.com/2011/07/bulldozer-sample-vs-core-i7-990x-in-sli-test/

Who knows. I believe PCTuning is something to do with Obrovsky (OBR) - who recently suckered more than a few web sites with false Bulldozer benchmarks.

It was the 100Mhz only boost and the alleged yield issue that gave me that thought. i like your theory better

I kind of thought that the limited turbo on some of these parts was down to the power envelope/cooling. CPU speed rarely, if ever, comes free:

136 watts is probably pushing it a bit if your presenting your user with a stock AMD heatsink.

 

[red1776]

do you think that this review is true,
http://lenzfire.com/2011/07/bulldozer-sample-vs-core-i7-990x-in-sli-test/

I've not the foggiest idea, but I have learned to look for things like this;

From the review;
This test has been carried on with B1 stepping of AMD Bulldozer and now B2 stepping has come. We have also reviewed the performance of B2 stepping of AMD Bulldozer which gives a better performance than B1 stepping AMD Bulldozer.

well B1 was rejected, we know this as there is a B2. and 2) if they tested the B2 stepping, why are they posting this? 3) I trust OBR as far as I can throw them. He has an ax to grind as I understand over some Radeon 6000 chips he was diss'd over.

This would be a non-starter in my book.

 

[SKYSTAR]

OK ,thanks a lot for you , red1776 and dividebyzero , now i will go to sleep , it is about 3:00 AM
in my country , see you later

 

[red1776]

136 watts is probably pushing it a bit if your presenting your user with a stock AMD heatsink.

and then some. i think that CPUZ stops at 136W. my 1100T is pushing 180w and my CPUZ reads: 136W oddly enough. This one might get the alleged Antec WC loop with it


See ya SKY, don't order anything just yet

 

[dividebyzero]

I've not the foggiest idea, but I have learned to look for things like this

8 x AA and loads of eye-candy will help load up the CPU. Triple channel memory running on tighter timings will most certainly come into play - much the same reason as the AvP @ 8xAA favours the X58 in the OC3D link I put up.

I don't think referencing a dubious three-month old "test" on an ES of a CPU that has since had a revision/respin is going to all that productive cionsidering we are 3-4 days away from getting the retail part reviews.

 

[dividebyzero]

and then some. i think that CPUZ stops at 136W.

Not sure about that.
Some Ukrainian overclockers managed to buy a retail 8120 from their local tech store (Fixer?). CPU-Z reports the 8120 as 8130P unless you have the newest version (1.58.7 - gone out to reviewers in the last few days)
****image pulled from original site*****
Even if CPU-Z stopped at 136w, that would imply that the CPU is 136w minimum...maybe not so good

Not too sure about their system time !!!

 

[red1776]

mine has been stuck @ 136w for quite a few revisions, but I don't have the .7 rev.
That is odd, probably a new install with no updates i think or BD has in fact been laying around for three years!:haha:

 

[dividebyzero]

You probably need to be on the reviewers list to get 1.58.7. Likewise these Ukrainian guys aren't reviewers so are probably stuck with the public BIOS downloads and not being emailed upgraded microcode - least I hope thats the reason I'm seeing Cinebench and AIDA memory benchmarks that suck donkey *****....if it isn't then I wouldn't be surprised to see Intel raise SB prices!*

(* Skystar will probably blame us for having to pay extra after putting off his theoretical purchase)

 

[red1776]

* Skystar will probably blame us for having to pay extra after putting off his theoretical purchase)

:haha: why is it always the guy "rocking" an Athlon II and a gt 9600 that is always gearing up for the top of the line beast?

 

[dividebyzero]

Hope this isn't representative of the final performance. Lab501's "preview"

(FX-8150 percentages versus 2600K)
Handbrake -1.75%
IrfanView (graphics editing) -33.8%
Cinebench 11.5 -15%
AIDA 1.80 Memory (Read) -39%
AIDA 1.80 Memory (Write) -80%
AIDA 1.80 Memory (Copy) -17.5%
AIDA 1.80 Memory (Latency) -13.7%
AIDA 1.80 CPU (Photoworxx) -28.8%
AIDA 1.80 CPU (Sin/Julia) -78%
WPrime 32M -20%
3DMark11 -6.3%
3DMark11 (CPU Physics) -32.2%
Unigine Heaven 2.1 -7%
Resident Evil 5 -46.4%
H.A.W.X. -50.3%
SuperPi of course is much much worse

One consolation is that they did get it to 5G...

Well, I hope the news gets better from here on out