AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs. Intel Core i9-14900K

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It's obvious you have never used an intel cpu before, that's where this is all coming from. You can choose if you want background or foreground tasks taking priority from within windows.

And if Intel sustains high clock speeds on 100c it's not throttling either. Unless you are telling me the 14900k smashed the crap out of the 7950x while heavily throttling

You are the amd equivalent to userbenchmark man. Knock it off

Oh, now you must hack Windows for CPU to run 'normally". So that's user error then

Techspot didn't say 7950X throttled. Techspot did say 14900K throttled. They are wrong then.

 

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Oh, now you must hack Windows for CPU to run 'normally". So that's user error then

What do you mean hack windows? And what do you mean "normally". You can CHOOSE whether you want background or foreground tasks to take priority. There is no such thing as "normal", you choose what you prefer. I prefer foreground tasks to take priority, but with AMD cpus I can't do that. If anything amd are the one being abnormal

Techspot didn't say 7950X throttled. Techspot did say 14900K throttled. They are wrong then.

I don't care what techspot said, if it hit 95c by definition it throttled.

But regardless, you are saying that a heavily throttling 14900k outpaced a 7950x. Imagine amd's top dog losing to heavily throttling Intel CPU. LOL

 

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What do you mean hack windows? And what do you mean "normally". You can CHOOSE whether you want background or foreground tasks to take priority. There is no such thing as "normal", you choose what you prefer. I prefer foreground tasks to take priority, but with AMD cpus I can't do that. If anything amd are the one being abnormal


I don't care what techspot said, if it hit 95c by definition it throttled.

But regardless, you are saying that a heavily throttling 14900k outpaced a 7950x. Imagine amd's top dog losing to heavily throttling Intel CPU. LOL

Why you even should choose if backgroud task takes priority or not? Normally you would want CPU to run full power everything you do. But Intel decides to save power so you cannot do that. Intel should use all P-cores first but for power "saving" it messes everything.

Perhaps you should first check definition of throttling. Again 95c forr AMD core is normal and does not mean throttling.

Intel throttles but still consumes hundreds of watts more energy while being few percent faster. Amazing.

 

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Why you even should choose if backgroud task takes priority or not?

Why is having the CHOICE a bad thing?

I don't want background tasks to take priority so I can basically render on the background while playing my games with full performance, something I can't do on an AMD cpu unless I use process lasso.

Perhaps you should first check definition of throttling. Again 95c forr AMD core is normal and does not mean throttling.

Thottling is the process of dropping clockspeeds in order to stay within a temperature limit. So when AMD cpus hit 95c they are throttling.

Intel throttles but still consumes hundreds of watts more energy while being few percent faster. Amazing.

Same with AMD cpus. See the 7950x consumes 61% more power than the 7950x 3d for 4.5% more performance.

The 14900k can hit 43k CBR23 at stock. In order to get the 7950x to hit 43k score it will consume like double the power and youll need LN2 to cool it.

 

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Why is having the CHOICE a bad thing?

I don't want background tasks to take priority so I can basically render on the background while playing my games with full performance, something I can't do on an AMD cpu unless I use process lasso.


Thottling is the process of dropping clockspeeds in order to stay within a temperature limit. So when AMD cpus hit 95c they are throttling.

Same with AMD cpus. See the 7950x consumes 61% more power than the 7950x 3d for 4.5% more performance.

The 14900k can hit 43k CBR23 at stock. In order to get the 7950x to hit 43k score it will consume like double the power and youll need LN2 to cool it.

But why you would want to use any kind of "background" stuff with AMD? All cores are fairly similar so no need to adjust. And like you said before, even if Cinebench is background, it runs just as fast as it does on foreground. In other words, it consumes all P-cores too. No help from Intel there. But with Intel you have to worry about background process runnning very slow, not problem with AMD.

TJMax for 7950X3D is 89 degrees. And again, 95c for for non3D CPU is not throttling. If CPU reaches 95 and it does not limit clock speeds just because of that 95 degrees, that's not throttling.

7950X3D is more advanced but again, this is AMD vs Intel not AMD vs AMD. 14900K does not get 43K default.

 

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But with Intel you have to worry about background process runnning very slow, not problem with AMD.

With Intel I can choose what tasks can take priority. With AMD I can't, I have to worry about foreground procceses slowing to a crawl. What part do you not understand?

TJMax for 7950X3D is 89 degrees. And again, 95c for for non3D CPU is not throttling. If CPU reaches 95 and it does not limit clock speeds just because of that 95 degrees, that's not throttling.

7950X3D is more advanced but again, this is AMD vs Intel not AMD vs AMD. 14900K does not get 43K default.

If the 7950x hits 95c it throttles. In fact, it actually throttles even BEFORE it reaches 95c.

And yes, the 14900k gets 43k at default. Heck I've done 42k on a single tower air cooler, lol.

 

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With Intel I can choose what tasks can take priority. With AMD I can't, I have to worry about foreground procceses slowing to a crawl. What part do you not understand?


If the 7950x hits 95c it throttles. In fact, it actually throttles even BEFORE it reaches 95c.

And yes, the 14900k gets 43k at default. Heck I've done 42k on a single tower air cooler, lol.

Because there is no point restricting CPU power. Unless you run out of cores, meaning all CPU cores are fully loaded, there is no real reason to keep tasks on much slower cores. Intel logic just doesn't make any sense.

Thermal throttling is different than adjusting CPU clock speeds for other reason. 7950X does NOT throttle JUST because of 95c.

Here not even overclock gives 43K https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k/images/cinebench-multi.png

Stock does not even give 39K.

 

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I always bought Intel, but today I would only recommend AMD.

This is me as well, since the Core2Duo days, I tried Phenom II CPU’s as well and they weren’t as good.

Recent Intel stuff though really is just worse than AMD’s Ryzen kit. maybe once Intel gets its Nodes upgraded to catchup with TSMC, we’ll see them get more competitive.

 

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Because there is no point restricting CPU power. Unless you run out of cores, meaning all CPU cores are fully loaded, there is no real reason to keep tasks on much slower cores. Intel logic just doesn't make any sense.

There is no such thing as "Intel logic". Intel gives you the choice between foreground and background. AMD does not, so you have to use process lasso. That's why the 7950x 3d is losing in games to the 7950x. It's a negative, not a positive sir.

Thermal throttling is different than adjusting CPU clock speeds for other reason. 7950X does NOT throttle JUST because of 95c.

Oh yes it does sir. The 7950x drops clocks due to temperature. Therefore it's thermal throttling.

Here not even overclock gives 43K https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k/images/cinebench-multi.png

What overclock are you talking about sir? 5.5 ghz is not an overclock but an underclock, the 14900k does 5.7ghz out of the box sir. Get your facts straight, the 14900k does 42-43k stock out of the box.

 

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There is no such thing as "Intel logic". Intel gives you the choice between foreground and background. AMD does not, so you have to use process lasso. That's why the 7950x 3d is losing in games to the 7950x. It's a negative, not a positive sir.


Oh yes it does sir. The 7950x drops clocks due to temperature. Therefore it's thermal throttling.

What overclock are you talking about sir? 5.5 ghz is not an overclock but an underclock, the 14900k does 5.7ghz out of the box sir. Get your facts straight, the 14900k does 42-43k stock out of the box.

Oh now 7950x3D is slower on games than non3D version?

FYI, Ryzen CPUs have dozens temp sensors and they also adjust frequency based on voltages, temperatures or both. There just aren't 95c degrees = guaranteed thermal throttling thing on Zen4 since 95c is basically Target temp, not Critical one. Critical is 105c.

5.7 GHz all core? It just seems reviewers got it all wrong and you got it right. Even intel disagrees and says 5.6 GHz is max P-core turbo.

 

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Oh now 7950x3D is slower on games than non3D version?

Sorry, I meant the 7800x 3d. Even though the 7950x 3d has highere clocks on the 3d cache ccd, the trash crap 2nd ccd are getting in the way cause AMD doesn't have a thread director. Instead you have a huge guide with 50 steps on how to setup your windows properly to work with the trash crap 2nd ccd.

FYI, Ryzen CPUs have dozens temp sensors and they also adjust frequency based on voltages, temperatures or both. There just aren't 95c degrees = guaranteed thermal throttling thing on Zen4 since 95c is basically Target temp, not Critical one. Critical is 105c..

If it drops clocks due to thermals, it's throttling. The 7950x drops clocks due to thermals. Therefore it's throttling.

5.7 GHz all core? It just seems reviewers got it all wrong and you got it right. Even intel disagrees and says 5.6 GHz is max P-core turbo.

The all core boost is 5.7. I know cause I actually - you know - have the chip.

But that doesn't matter, let's say it's 5.6. STILL, the graph you provided at 5.5 saying it's overclocked was wrong sir.