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Apple pressures Microsoft to cease laptop hunter ads?

By Justin
Jul 16, 2009
  1. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,821   +922

    The Horns of a Dilemma.....

    I think we're pretty much agreed that Apple's "I'm a PC" campaign was closer to being slander than to being truth.

    But, M$ is one obnoxious monopoly, and it's frightening to think what software woes could be brought on by a substantial, further shrinking of Apple's market share.
     
  2. apple os is weak and they need to quit whining. They can dish it out but can't take it.
     
  3. Bun-Bun

    Bun-Bun TS Rookie

    haha that is exactly what I was thinking.
     
  4. Bun-Bun

    Bun-Bun TS Rookie

    I say good going microsoft! Give apple a taste of there own medicine.

    I hate microsoft... but I hate Apple even more.
     
  5. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen (or something like that).
     
  6. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,821   +922

    I gotta say though, it was comical how much the "PC" in Apple's ads looked like Bill Gates. Um, after he discovered carbohydrates! :rolleyes:

    Did somebody say kitchen? Is it time to eat?
     
  7. I agree they should continue i like macs always have simple less issues and all but the price is the killing point everytime. i'm about to buy another pc soon and odds are not in apple's favor to say the least.
     
  8. Macintrash is having problems... they should stick to making phones--
    I dont really like their ads anymore.. and they are just for snob and style

    I dont even have to pay 1k for a laptop you can get a really good one for under 600$ usually.

    They talked smacked about intel, and now have adopted them and stroked them... what hypocrits

    The real competition with MS is going to be googles new FREE OS

    Time will tell...
     
  9. Apple vs. PC

    It is just history repeating itself. We users are either in the money or not. If you have Apple PC money you can get yourself "screwed to the wall" for twice as much money. The guy who says build it if you want it, he is the man, period. Now you are talking saving 3 and 4 times as much to get the same result.

    The money is what the battle is all about. Apple has people brainwashed in computers like Detroit does with cars. Do you need a new PC or Apple every year?

    When you want somethilng special, look at what is out there, take the specs off it and build a better mousetrap, no problem and cheaper. An amateur can do this because of all the techies out there falling over themselves trying to help you out. You buy something, get some good free advice to go with it, or don't buy it.

    Apple people are no fun at all. I once had a garage full of Apples. The only reason I didn't allow myself the satisfaction of dumping them in the river was the pollution it would cause. So I loaded them in the pickup took them to the recycler and traded the entire load for one good floppy drive.

    People like me who were burned real bad in the Apple / PC wars, are still suffering from the trauma.

    A PC should be called a PPC. The Peoples Personal Computer. Your custodian is a real person. Would you give him an Apple? You should be shot if you think so. When that Apple goes on the fritz, the bill for repair will be astronomical. PC's are repaired for a flat fee of $35 every day.
     
  10. Oh, yeah and another thing. People pick PC's up for next to nothing, garage sales, friends, trash bins. You get one and the flat rate applies. $35 and it is fixed. The parts are extra but cheap. But if you see an Apple in the Trash (And you will), Leave it there. (You could pull the hard drive and memory first though)
     
  11. So is it not true that pcs have lots of trialware on them or is it not true that you can't take it, plug it up and go straight to web browsing?

    Correct me if im wrong macs are ready to go right out of the box. No wasting time with things you could be doing with other pc's. Just plug and play.
     
     
  12. Truth be told, the whole idea behind these commercials isn't groundless. Macbooks have always been expensive enough to discourage a lot of people from buying them. Mac users only buy Macs because they like the OS, so they're paying extra.

    Considering that their previous campaign "I'm a Mac" attacked the USERS of PCs and not the hardware says something: Macs of any shape and size have nothing to really hold over PCs aside from their OS. I don't recall them ever saying anything about how great their OS is, instead it was nothing but a big smear campaign on Windows PCs, particularly Vista.

    The "Notebook Hunt" idea is Microsoft playing NICE. Apple should take a page from their book and stop their stupid smear campaigns that blow every little problem with Vista completely out of proportion before they complain about the way Microsoft is doing business.
     
  13. I think the comercials are working well, if they gave me the thousand bucks, I can damn well tell you that I would FIND a Mac to buy before I would even think about purchasing any of the PURE JUNK that are being sold as laptops today by the Windows world!

    I have worked on several of these "NEW" PC laptops and I gotta say they are pure junk, they break way too easy, while the new Mac's are just getting better, they are WAY Worth the price.

    Go ahead give me a thousand dollars, if nothing else I will go on EBAY and find a USED Macbook and give you back the Change.

    I would rather use the old Thinkpad A22m that I am typing on right now then any of the junk that is being put out by the Chinese who make 99% of the pc Junk out there today.

    I have a couple of old Mac laptops that I like very much and one day I hope to find a good enough deal to replace all my laptops with one good Macbook. For a desktop I found a wonderful old G4 with Duel 1.2 gig processors, Two gig of ram and it runs circles around all the PC's in the house. Love those Mac's the mac adds are SO right, pc adds are so stupid.

    The whole fight is one of the dumbest things I have seen come down the TV road for a long time and I have been watching the tube since 1962 when Dad brought home an old used B&W floor modle that we could get two channels on if the wind was just right and nobody drove by in a Ford.
     
  14. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,265   +41

    lol anonymous user, ever hear of dell or hp, or any of the other prebuilt pc companies? Yeah....those turn on too. Are you that ignorant about the whole pc side of this issue.
     
  15. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,821   +922

    I think that both statements are true, PCs come with a bunch of trial/ bloat/ nonsense/ and vaporware installed. Some are worse than others, with Sony being the most "infected". Alienware machines I believe, are quite clean. But, by the same token you can any of them and plug it in, then head straight for the web. And yes, I understand the security software issue, and nobody cares enough to write malware aimed at Macs, so I don't think that that is the virtue of Mac that Apple credits itself with.

    You could always charge yourself bench time for removing the crapware, against the price difference between the PC a Mac. Even with those charges applied, I believe that a comparable PC is still a fair amount cheaper than the Mac.
    Some of the junk is quite useful! I don't run a business, so I don't need an office suite. The freebie "M$ Works" that came with my two store boughts, serves me admirably.
     
  16. peas

    peas TS Rookie Posts: 50

    Apple has always stretched the truth or outright lied in their advertising. Even back in the 80's they touted the Apple as the "best selling personal computer" when the Commodore 64, for instance, overwhelmingly outsold any Apple computer. Now they lie about how Macs never crash, never have viruses, etc... I'm no fan of Vista (in fact I hate it), but Apple's lies are pathetic.
     
  17. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,265   +41

    M$ works is pretty decent for most users me thinks. I agree with the above statement, good show CaptainCranky.
     
  18. maybe apple will start to price their hardware more competitively.
     
  19. AmRes

    AmRes TS Rookie

    Awwwwwww. Poor Apple. They screwed themselves into the ground back in the 80's with their pricing and licensing model. IBM, on the other hand, allowed clones of the Personal Computer to be created. And then along came M$. The rest is desktop computing history.

    All Apple had to do back then is allow others to build Mac clones and license the Mac OS to them. Had they done that, it would probably be a different world. Instead, they chose the max-profits marketing system.

    The only thing keeping Apple afloat now is the iPhone. And that dominance is slipping fast. Other smart phones are taking over the market. They have features, they're durable, and they are less expensive.

    Apple even switched to the Intel processor platform in hopes of making a comeback. It isn't working.

    What I dislike are the Apple devotees that swear up one side and down the other that Mac's don't get viruses. My standard reply is this...
    - Yeah, they do.
    - Now that Mac is on the Intel platform, viruses will become more prevalent
    - IF (and that's a major IF), Apple ever really gains market share, look out.

    See "Apple drops to 5th position in US computer sales" at http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/07/16/apple-drops-to-5th-position-in-us-computer-sales
     
  20. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

  21. actually the biggest load of bull as far as apple commercials was the one where the pc guy was standing there wearing all this crap and the apple loser asked what he was doing, then pc stated it was antivirus measures.. and apple had the nerve to say they dont have to worry about viruses.. false advertisement in the most perfect example.. mac can have viruses.. one of the best ones ever written was specifically for macs several years ago.. the problem with writting a virus is why would someone waste their time and life writing a virus to target such a small amount of users.. majority if not all businesses run windows.. same as schools and the average computer in households around the world.. now how many people use macs.. hmm.. why write a virus when the goal is to cause the most damage.. and the price drop.. wow that was a big drop.. $100.. sad when they don't realize how business works.. you drop the price a little better and more people would be willing to fork in some money and buy an apple.. but all in all.. apple sucks..
     
  22. Been doing this longer than most of you have been alive.

    Apple in the 1980s had about an 18% U.S. market share. Today that is about 7.6 percent, for the math challenged that means the US Market PC share is 92.4 percent. So yes Apple does try for the "we are superior snob appeal approach." I am tried of hearing how "easy to use" or "problem free" Apple products are.
    If you really believe that you are a Mac user, you have drank their Koo laid. American businesses and consumers are not in-efficient. They will in time gravitate to the superior product given relative equal product availability. Truth be told Apple is a closed society, proprietary system aimed at foolish product snobs or ill-informed newbies. Did you happen to catch the news that Apple re-configured their i-tunes software to be incompatible with the Palm Pre? This is not the action of a true superior product company.
    Open systems, open minds, are the correct and efficient guides to superior and rapid product enhancements.

    When Macs drop their prices, they will lose their fat margins for product design and see their market share wither further into irrelevance.
     
  23. Software/ os aside:
    If the hardware is equal.
    The cost should be as well.

    Heard this before Apple?
     
  24. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,821   +922

    When Apples Fly...........

    I was in WalMart earlier this evening. I saw a Toshiba laptop, Vista Home Basic, I think a couple GBs of RAM, 160GB HDD, and last but not least a DVD burner. Oops, almost forgot to mention the 17" screen. Hey, 400 bucks and it could have been mine.

    As attractive as that offer was, I'm still going to save for a Mac that does less and costs twice as much.

    Well, right after they change the Apple logo to a flying pig, I sure will.
     
  25. Let the Apple Jacks whine it's what they're best at not a Microsoft fan but love that they're taking a shot at the over priced under power Apples.
     
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