At $84 million a year, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is one of the tech industry's top earners

[cmbjive]

So.... wait... you said the same thing I said and you are arguing about it?????

"Hard work DOES NOT make you rich"..... either you agree or you don't agree.

That is not remotely what you said the first time; I already stated what you exactly said and what you place more emphasis on (luck). Luck has some importance, but hard work is more necessary than luck. Davislane also stated some things that are required, as did MilwaukeeMike.

You are choosing to ignore everything that has been commented to you in order to try to get people to agree with your flawed position that hard work does not make you rich. No one ever claimed the position that working hard by itself makes you rich.

There are other reasons why I'm not rich which has nothing to do with me working hard. I also gave you a surefire way that you can be rich: Curb your spending and save your money. This incorporates HARD WORK, but you also need DISCIPLINE. Again, hard work is necessary but insufficient in determining who is rich.

 

[cmbjive]

You don't actually know any "rich" people, do you? I happen to know quite a few. In fact, I was taught how to trade by a few very wealthy individuals (annual income above $1 million). Ubiquitously, when asked why they deal with the hassles of teaching 8-10hrs a day when they've got so much cash, the answer is "I enjoy working. The money from trading is nice, but I'd go insane just sitting around all day." The same is true of a few business owners/executives I know.

I suspect this sloth narrative that people spin is little more than the projection of their personal fantasies.

My father-in-law, who along with my mother-in-law became millionaires by SAVING THEIR MONEY (that's for Rippleman, not you), said very much the same thing. People who are accustomed to working find sitting around and doing nothing boring.

 

[Rippleman]

That is not remotely what you said the first time; I already stated what you exactly said and what you place more emphasis on (luck). Luck has some importance, but hard work is more necessary than luck. Davislane also stated some things that are required, as did MilwaukeeMike.

You are choosing to ignore everything that has been commented to you in order to try to get people to agree with your flawed position that hard work does not make you rich. No one ever claimed the position that working hard by itself makes you rich.

There are other reasons why I'm not rich which has nothing to do with me working hard. I also gave you a surefire way that you can be rich: Curb your spending and save your money. This incorporates HARD WORK, but you also need DISCIPLINE. Again, hard work is necessary but insufficient in determining who is rich.

all I hear is you repeating what I have repeated in this thread all along... Hard work does not make you rich.... your very own situation proves this so why argue?

 

[davislane1]

all I hear is you repeating what I have repeated in this thread all along... Hard work does not make you rich.... your very own situation proves this so why argue?

You're beginning to strike me as the type of guy who would dispute a speeding ticket on the basis of the sign's failure to designate the applicable units.

In a courtroom somewhere...
Judge: And on what grounds do you base your objection?
You: The sign said 55 – 55 what?
Judge: ...miles per hour. You were clocked by the trooper at 72.
You: But that's not what the sign indicated as being too fast. It only said 55.
Judge: "55" implies MPH as the unit of measure, as it is the standard in the US.
You: But that's not what the sign says!
Judge: You know very well what it meant by "55", sir.
You: So you agree that the sign states "55"?
Judge: Of course---
You: Good. We agree. Dismiss the ticket, please.

 

[cliffordcooley]

"I enjoy working. The money from trading is nice, but I'd go insane just sitting around all day."

You made a mistake typing that because, if they were working hard, they wouldn't enjoy it. Which is why those with money choose to do something different. There is not one single hard working job that pays enough to make anyone rich.

 

[cmbjive]

You made a mistake typing that because, if they were working hard, they wouldn't enjoy it. Which is why those with money choose to do something different. There is not one single hard working job that pays enough to make anyone rich.

You are subjecting jobs to your definition of "hard work". What is your definition of hard work?

 

[davislane1]

You made a mistake typing that because, if they were working hard, they wouldn't enjoy it. Which is why those with money choose to do something different. There is not one single hard working job that pays enough to make anyone rich.

Moving the goal posts are we, cliff? And into some vicious winds, no less. For instance:

If working hard can only be achieved if one experiences displeasure while performing the act, Arnold Schwarzenegger never worked a day in the gym in his life, as evidenced by his famous description of weight lifting as, "... like having sex with a woman and cumming."

Further more, if the people I mentioned stopped teaching and simply sat behind their computers pressing buttons all day, according to you, they'd be performing harder work than they do now, simply because they wouldn't like it!

C'mon, man.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Nothing hard about pushing pencils, toting briefcases, watching monitors, or bickering around a conference table. Anyone in a habit of putting on a tie, knows little about hard work. If they ever decided to work, that tie would be in there way.

 

[davislane1]

Nothing hard about pushing pencils, toting briefcases, watching monitors, or bickering around a conference table. Anyone in a habit of putting on a tie, knows little about hard work. If they ever decided to work, that tie would be in there way.

My father does all of those things. But, clearly because of this, his years of working on farms, in manufacturing facilities, and in warehouses during his youth didn't convey any knowledge of "work" to him. Hell, my own time spent organizing inventories, working in hot, muggy conditions and helping patch up buildings has conveyed nothing to me either. Because monitors.

I can keep playing t-ball like this all day long.

 

[Teko03]

His yearly salary is around $1 million, as some one else pointed out, about $79 million of the $84 million mentioned in the article is a ONE TIME stock ward that he can't touch until 2019. It's not like Nadella was just handed this, he's been with Microsoft since 1992, helped make it's Azure division what it is today (bringing in $20 billion in a year!), so he has put in his work.

 

[hahahanoobs]

His yearly salary is around $1 million, as some one else pointed out, about $79 million of the $84 million mentioned in the article is a ONE TIME stock ward that he can't touch until 2019. It's not like Nadella was just handed this, he's been with Microsoft since 1992, helped make it's Azure division what it is today (bringing in $20 billion in a year!), so he has put in his work.

Finally someone making actual sense. Thank you.

 

[turismozilla]

You know, I used to feel guilty about not paying for software, seriously... for long while I felt that way. Now, ƒȕск all that.

 

[Jamesbrah]

(better duck, here comes a rant)

no one has gotten rich on hard work. Its based on luck. Right place, right time, right product/service. And wealth of 84 million is sick no matter how you rationalize it.

It's this type of thinking and mindset that solidifies your inability to be a success.

Here's you: "I WORK HARD WTF WHERE IS MY MILLIONS ARGH THESE DAMN LUCKY PEOPLE THAT ARE BETTER THAN ME BECAUSE OF LUCK OHMY"

Look into Satya Nadella's history, look at the hard work he has done over all the years at Microsoft and understand why he was considered and was successful as CEO of Microsoft. What have you done with your life that's of any significance?

 

[MilwaukeeMike]

This is seriously an epic thread. Kudos to all involved.

 

[davislane1]

This is seriously an epic thread. Kudos to all involved.

I only wish TS would run an article on Gamergate. Knowing the personalities around here (myself included), that thread would be properly entertaining within minutes.

 

[Rippleman]

It's this type of thinking and mindset that solidifies your inability to be a success.

Here's you: "I WORK HARD WTF WHERE IS MY MILLIONS ARGH THESE DAMN LUCKY PEOPLE THAT ARE BETTER THAN ME BECAUSE OF LUCK OHMY"

Look into Satya Nadella's history, look at the hard work he has done over all the years at Microsoft and understand why he was considered and was successful as CEO of Microsoft. What have you done with your life that's of any significance?

Do you work hard? Are you rich?

 

[Rippleman]

It's this type of thinking and mindset that solidifies your inability to be a success.

Here's you: "I WORK HARD WTF WHERE IS MY MILLIONS ARGH THESE DAMN LUCKY PEOPLE THAT ARE BETTER THAN ME BECAUSE OF LUCK OHMY"

Look into Satya Nadella's history, look at the hard work he has done over all the years at Microsoft and understand why he was considered and was successful as CEO of Microsoft. What have you done with your life that's of any significance?

Do you work hard? Are you rich?

side note: I am a success, in small terms... I have a 100% paid for agricultural farm of 1400 acres . I have not worked hard. There is billions of people around the world who work harder then me. I have been very lucky in life. I personally know hundreds of people that work way harder then I do.

 

[davislane1]

It's this type of thinking and mindset that solidifies your inability to be a success.

Here's you: "I WORK HARD WTF WHERE IS MY MILLIONS ARGH THESE DAMN LUCKY PEOPLE THAT ARE BETTER THAN ME BECAUSE OF LUCK OHMY"

Look into Satya Nadella's history, look at the hard work he has done over all the years at Microsoft and understand why he was considered and was successful as CEO of Microsoft. What have you done with your life that's of any significance?

Do you work hard? Are you rich?

side note: I am a success, in small terms... I have a 100% paid for agricultural farm of 1400 acres . I have not worked hard. There is billions of people around the world who work harder then me. I have been very lucky in life. I personally know hundreds of people that work way harder then I do.

And there are billions who have far, far less you; even the American poor are filthy rich by comparison to this planet's dregs. Are you disgusted by your own relative wealth?

 

[Rippleman]

And there are billions who have far, far less you; even the American poor are filthy rich by comparison to this planet's dregs. Are you disgusted by your own relative wealth?

Belive it or not, yes, I feel guilty that I have been so lucky. But I do chalk it up to what it is.. luck. I donate 16% of my net income to families that need it, single moms only, each and every month. I would love to sell all the land and start a couple business that ONLY employ the people that need it but can't since the land has been in the family since 1904.

 

[davislane1]

Belive it or not, yes, I feel guilty that I have been so lucky. But I do chalk it up to what it is.. luck. I donate 16% of my net income to families that need it, single moms only, each and every month. I would love to sell all the land and start a couple business that ONLY employ the people that need it but can't since the land has been in the family since 1904.

I do not agree with anything you've said in this thread. I also think you're insane for feeling guilty over your position in life. But, assuming the charity bit is true, I tip my hat. I can't help but respect a man who steps up to the plate and practices what he preaches. (y)

 

[pmcardle]

"A person with 84 million income DOES NOT buy 1680 times more toothbrushes, toilet paper, books, cars, houses, gas, pets, groceries, etc more then you or me."

No, they buy yachts, big houses, expensive cars and vacation and dine all around the world which produces employments for thousands.

 

[davislane1]

"A person with 84 million income DOES NOT buy 1680 times more toothbrushes, toilet paper, books, cars, houses, gas, pets, groceries, etc more then you or me."

No, they buy yachts, big houses, expensive cars and vacation and dine all around the world which produces employments for thousands.

1. The yacht argument is too economically complex.
2. The big house argument is too politically charged to be effective.
3. The expensive car argument is "rebuttable," if fallaciously so.
4. The vacations and dining argument is also "rebuttable," if also fallacious.

Therefore, you fail. Wait for the response... You'll see

 

[cliffordcooley]

I can keep playing t-ball like this all day long.

You obviously don't care how badly one person tramples another. You keep arguing merits of the more fortunate(I chose not to use greedy here), while I know they have no merits. That tells me only one thing, you sympathies with them and are likely greedy yourself. But there is also another very clear notion here. I don't know you and can't make that claim. I can only speculate as to why you seem sympathetic. You are only strengthening the concept that this unbalanced world will never change and people like Satya Nadella, will continue to trample on those below his pedestal. I can understand why someone on a pedestal as well will uphold this concept. If you are truly not standing on a pedestal of your own, I don't understand your position. And no matter how you try to explain the merits of greed (I think I will go ahead and use the word, can't get it off my tounge), I doubt I will ever understand so I think I'm done here.

 

[Rippleman]

Some people just don't get it. Enjoy your night and your little wealth where everyone suffers at someone else expense.

 

[MilwaukeeMike]

I only wish TS would run an article on Gamergate. Knowing the personalities around here (myself included), that thread would be properly entertaining within minutes.

Yes, it probably would, but I expect most of us would end up on the same side of the argument.

 

[MilwaukeeMike]

Some people just don't get it. Enjoy your night and your little wealth where everyone suffers at someone else expense.

Do you realize if someone gets poorer every time someone gets richer, then it would be fundamentally impossible to get rid of poverty.

What a depressing thought.