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ATI Radeon HD 5830 Review

By Julio Franco
Feb 25, 2010
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  1. With the Radeon HD 5830 we have a graphics card priced a bit above the mainstream mark that nonetheless delivers performance comparable to Nvidia’s single-GPU flagship product.

    Read the full review at:
    http://www.techspot.com/review/249-ati-radeon-hd-5830/

    Please leave your feedback here.
     
  2. ET3D

    ET3D TechSpot Paladin Posts: 981   +31

    Thanks for the comprehensive review. Though the performance ratio between the 5830 and 4890 varies quite a lot, I think the 5830 is more consistent in providing decent frame rates than the older card.
     
  3. klepto12

    klepto12 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,364   +9

    i see no reason to buy this card at this time since when nvidia releases there cards ati will drop the prices on there older cards resulting in people getting 4890 cards for around $150 or so which is a nice card for a cheap price.
     
  4. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,056   +76

    I believe its a good card for the wrong price. I remember in the start 5850 was supposed to have MRSP of 259$ (correct me if i am wrong); however, the current pricing of this card is nothing more but an effort to grab as much profit as you can get. Considering this fact, 5830 should have been priced around 190-210$ mark, perhaps that would have made more compelling case for buying it, at this price as you rightfully said "it is no better or worse than the Radeon HD 5850". I believe we need nVidia to come up with new 4xx series cards soon, perhaps pushing ATI to offer better value to customers in exchange for their hard earned money.
     
  5. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,900   +711

    A few frames aside, most of the games were playable with existing cards. If you have a lower specced card of the last gen (or earlier) the HD 5830 would be a nice upgrade at $210-220, at $250 you would likely need to base the decision on a game-by-game basis against the GTX 275 (if looking at a direct competitior). If you already own a HD 4890/4870/GTX 260 etc. then I wouldn't see the HD 5830 as a compelling upgrade.

    @Archean
    The $259 is correct for the launch price of the HD 5850. It was (supposedly) subsequently raised to $299 because of yield issues with TSMC's 40nm process. Now that those yield issues have largely improved it seems that AMD will hold the price reduction back (possibly back to the launch price) until nVidia's card launches so as to have an effective PR counter. In any event, it would seem that HD 5870, 5850 and the nearly invisible 5970 production/release is being artificially constrained to keep demand high. As this card is a salvage part from the 5850, which is itself a salvaged part from the 5870 it will be very interesting to see how many of these cards hit retail in relation to the 5850 and 5870 as an indicator to the relative success of AMD's design.
     
  6. Regenweald

    Regenweald TS Rookie Posts: 143

    Soon after March 26th, prices are going to get better :) Can't be mad at a company for trying to maximize profits. I'm one of the patient ones....5830 looks to be my card depending on how much of a drop I see in the 50 and 70 cards.
     
  7. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,056   +76

    Exactly the reason I'm holding on for now ;)
     
  8. slh28

    slh28 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,925   +170

    Yeah I agree with holding on until nvidia release their newest cards, competition is always welcome from a consumer's perspective!

    Can't really blame AMD for raising their prices from the launch price, the demand is definitely there. I remember when nvidia were charging £500-£600 for their top end cards not so long ago.
     
  9. Julio Franco

    Julio Franco TechSpot Editor Topic Starter Posts: 6,565   +331

  10. Over here in the uk Scan already have that tiny XFX board listed!

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/1GB-XFX-HD-5830-4000MHz-GDDR5-GPU-800MHz-1120-Cores-2x-DL-DVI-I-HDMI-DP-plus-Aliens-vs-Predator

    A bit more pricey than what you guys pay over in the US... still, looks like a nippy little board and comes with AvP!
    Dan
     
  11. That link failed, whoops.
    Still if you search on the site for "5830" its there!
    Dan
     
     
  12. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,286   +232

    Good lord... Ok, people need to understand something... ATi did NOT "raise it's prices" in the market. The people inflating the prices are the resellers and actual card manufacturers. ATi still lists the same MSRPs as it had when it released their GPU chipsets, and those chipsets are typically sold at a specific price point to allow those MSRP values to be met by the OEMs. The fact that they are being sold higher does not reflect on ATi, they got their money for initially selling the chipset, that's it. It's the OEMs and resellers that are making the extra profit by playing the supply & demand market. Just like they would be doing with nVidia products if the tables were turned and it was nVidia leading the pack right now.

    ATi will probably be able to churn out cheaper GPU chipsets as their revenue pays down the initial costs associated with designing and launching a new platform (and as manufacturing costs get optimized and cheaper). But for now, their price is fixed, and the profitmongering downstream from them still somehow seems to get blamed on them (usually by nVidia fanboys). It's really kind of ridiculous, when you think about it.
     
  13. aaron86

    aaron86 TS Rookie

    How do they make the XFX board smaller?

    How do they make the XFX board smaller? Does XFX reduce the amount of memory on the card or something? There must be some trade off.

    As it is, I'm disappointed at the size of this board (even the XFX is a little big). I would really like to see graphics cards start getting smaller, not bigger.
     
  14. TomSEA

    TomSEA TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,355   +402

    I wouldn't count on smaller cards anytime soon, aaron86. Fast = heat and that's where the large builds occur.

    I'm with most on these boards. Will take a wait and see when nVidia puts out their card to make a decision on my next GPU upgrade.

    But these reviews have been excellent. Looking forward to the nVidia versions of them.
     
  15. CMH

    CMH TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,573   +9

    Hmm... I thought I read in the review that all the others use the reference board, which is identical to the 5870, while XFX uses the 5770 board or something....

    Basically the 5870 board is overkill for this, which is good for us since if you're lucky, you can overclock it. Which also means you probably want to stay away from the XFX version....
     
  16. Well about that MSRP im one of the lucky people who staked their faith in ATI and preordered a XFX 5850 which i got for $259 in Amazon my only regret i didn't pre-order 2 of these babies i use it in a core 2 duo rig that churns out as much FPS as my quad with GTX260SLI, due to this ill be selling my 2 GTX260 and i already bought a I7 board and proc to upgrade the game rig and soon as i can ill be buying me another xfx 5850 for crossfire heaven!!!!!Still hopefully this board will come in at under 240 cause if my 5850 is any indication nothing wil beat it for the price!!!
     
  17. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,900   +711

    Then why at launch was the HD5850 MSRP $259, and at present it's $299 ?

    bit-tech HD 5830 review:The final note before heading into the test results is the price of this new card - we'd expected a price of around £160-180 inc VAT, so the £200+ prices are a surprise. However, it seems that ATI has hiked the price of the HD 5850 up to accommodate the HD 5830 at this price.

    Also, blaming the OEM's is fine....except that Sapphire, HIS and VisionTek are AMD only vendors and I'm pretty sure HP, Acer and Gateway et al aren't keeping the artificially high prices of mainstream-enthusiast grade cards where they are.
    A market that is obviously being constrained to keep demand high
    Agreed. In fact, if it were nVidia doing this instead of AMD the pricing would likely be higher still, but making the argument that it's OK to squeeze the consumer just because the competitor would do the likewise in the same given situation is the argument of an apologist.

    The key word in your argument is probably. What if the nVidia cards fail or launch in such low numbers that AMD doesn't feel the need to lower their MSRP's ?
    You feel that a climate of single vendor domination is conducive to price cuts? Could you supply evidential proof of this ever happening.
    You could argue the AMD are a more "customer friendly" company I suppose-although ignoring customers (emailing and posting on AMD's own support forums)whose cards exibited the GSoD for over three months until the mainstream media turned up the heat would seem to discount this- but if they are that "customer friendly" then they sure don't have a problem with their AIB partners running amok...unless you're also suggesting that AMD have no influence over them...in which case even if AMD instituted price cuts what's the likelihood of these supposed cuts ever translating into consumer savings ?
     
  18. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,286   +232

    It still all comes down to supply and demand... When nVidia is dominating the industry, their cards sell for nice premiums, and those prices don't start wavering until there is either some kind of direct competition that threatens their domination, manufacturing improvements greatly decrease the cost to make the chips, or a new generation is coming so the old generation is discounted. But the interesting thing about that is that the actual price they get for their chipsets does not change very much, yet the end products drop in price. Just like motherboards with Intel chipsets are higher when they are new, then drop as competition shows up, yet Intel is selling their chips for close to what they were previously. The OEMs set the prices in almost every case, and they base their numbers on many economic factors.

    I did notice a few MSRPs that were different than pre-launch (such as the one you pointed out), but some of that may have been target price points vs. actual values after manufacturing began. And those manufacturing shortages hurt the company bottom line, which could account for some of the fluctuation as well. In the end, AMD is a business just like nVidia, and they have to make money to stay in business. And, as always, competition helps level the playing field, and helps the wallets of we, the consumers!

    So where's that Fermi stuff, nVidia? Hurry up already! (And while you're at it, hurry up and get that ray tracing stuff moving, I'm anxious to see where that goes).
     
  19. CMH

    CMH TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,573   +9

    It doesn't make economic sense not to milk your success.... if there is a reason to charge more, companies will.

    In this case, and just about every other case where there is a company producing better performing products, there will be a premium just because its better; on top of charging more for better quality components.

    Same goes with brands, although in the case of nVidia vs ATI, I doubt there is much of that going on. However as you can see, there is a premium paid for "better" brands like Asus, XFX, etc over "crappier" brands like MSI, Powercolor and the like.


    I'm sure there are many more factors in play, and unless you guys are gonna slug it out with college level marketing conversations, these would probably be the main points.
     
  20. "The Radeon HD 5830 was found on many occasions matching the performance of the GeForce GTX 285, and surprise, surprise, at the $250 price level Nvidia currently has no answer. If the GeForce GTX 285 isn't up to the task, you can forget about the GeForce GTX 275 and GTX 260."
    _______________________________________________

    Let's see:

    1. According to review:
    1680x1050 - GTX 275 faster in 10 out of 11 games
    1920x1200 - GTX 275 faster in 6, tie in 2, slower in 3 games
    2560x1600 - GTX 275 faster in 5, tie in 2, slower in 4 games

    2. GTX 275 currently can be had for exactly $250

    Am I the only one who finds this conclusion little "unusual"?
     
  21. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,286   +232

    Wow, good catch on the 275 thing... Looks like somebody was assuming instead of looking at the actual performance numbers?

    Unless, of course, they were going by the overclocked numbers of the 5830, but that's comparing apples and oranges if everything else on the list is stock.
     
  22. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,900   +711

    Just to weigh in on the GTX 275 numbers. Quickly canvassing reviews from Xbit, Anand, Tech Power Up and Hexus the breakdown looks like:
    1680............58 benchmarks ( GTX275 = 38, HD 5830 = 18, tied = 2)
    1920............65 benchmarks (GTX 275 = 45, HD 5830 = 18, tied = 2)
    2560............29 benchmarks (GTX 275 = 23, HD 5830 = 6)

    Locally at least the GTX 275 is still in stock- $NZ399 ($US278). The HD 5830 isn't listed here, although as a rough pricing guide the cheapest HD 5850 is $US341, and the HD5770 $US195.

    I've checked through quite a few online reviews of this card as it is a likely upgrade for many of my customers once the HD 4890 and GTX 275/260 OC parts run down. As the card is a salvage part of the HD 5850 (which is itself a salvage part of the HD 5870) I'm more interested in the uniformity of these cards regarding the defects the dies carry and how wide a discrepency the fusing off has affected the cards concerned. Are all HD 5830's created equal you might say. Given that testing setups and regimes will differ from site to site, probably the best indicator of relative uniformity within the cards would be power draw. Comparing the power draw to the HD 5850 it seems that there is quite a large variable in how efficient these cards are:
    [H]OCP for instance had power consumption at 20 watts less than the HD 5850, while Tweaktown tested the HD 5830 at 36 watts more than the HD 5850 * -quite a large variation
    considering both cards were AMD/ATI "reference" cards presumably both assembled by PC Partner (AMD's reference card builder and parent company of Sapphire) both cards could be considered "equal"-this could lead to wild variations in standard and overclocked performance and heat output/temps in addition to power draw if repeated in production.

    Anyway, that's my 2c on the matter, for what it's worth.

    * Other sites power draw HD 5830/5850 analysis :Xbit recorded identical power draw, bit-tech, Hexus, TechPowerUp and Rage 3d at 1-5 watts more for the 5830, Firing Squad at 12w and Anand at 15w more for the HD 5830 respectively.
     
  23. Idk what 4870 card you had, but in Crysis my 4870 scores 44.53 fps in 1680x1050 and all High settings, with stock clocks. I'm also somewhat skeptical about your crossfire claims in Crysis.
     
  24. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,906   +90

    who post are you referring to guest?
     
  25. techtonic

    techtonic TS Rookie

    The ATI 5830 outperforms the ATi 4890 in many occasions.......As you can see from the benchmarks......The 5xxx series performed remarkably well in 2560X1600 resolutions..........A user who has a small 19" monitor need not invest on buying the 5830 or the 5850......most 19" monitors have 1280x768 resolutions and investing on such high resolution gpu is pointless....Instead he could buy the 4890 as it shows only marginal difference in fps in may games........The 5xxx series is suited for users who have a larger 23" monitors or the users who compute with multiple monitors with ATI eyefinity technology........
     


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