Best Graphics Card On the Market.....

By SuperCheetah
Mar 6, 2002
  1. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,521   +223

    Re: GEFORCE 3 Ti 200

    Since you can now get the Asus v8200 Geforce3 (original) for about the same price I would go for that as it give better performance than the ti200...
  2. Th3M1ghtyD8

    Th3M1ghtyD8 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 664

    Surely the problem is finding one now? Most places seem to have sold all of their stock of them.

    Also, since the Ti chips are a redesigned (more cost effective) core, they are newer and probably run cooler - hence they will overclock to full GF3 standards anyway.
  3. SuperCheetah

    SuperCheetah TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 709

    I must agree with Th3M1ghtyD8 on the fact that it is hard to find GeForce 3's or G4's anywhere nowadays. In my case, as a poor college student, I believe I'm simply going to wait for the prices to come down some before I invest in upgrading from my G2 Pro. I don't believe I will see enough of a substantial difference to make the G4's worth buying right now since I try not to play too many games.
  4. young&wild

    young&wild TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 993

    I believe it there is no such thing as the best video card. Motherboard and other computer peripheral can limit performance of every video card.
  5. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,521   +223

    "Best" is established by best possible performance with a modern system. Many review/tech sites state that you should pair up a decent processor with a powerful video card. A P3 500 with a GF4 4600Ti is a bit pointless as the GF4 will be starved and not run to its optimum ability. The same can be said if you pair a 2.2Ghz P4 with a TNT2 M64. The TNT2 won't be able to keep up...
    Still if you go with the modern system test situation you can establish what the best performance card is ;)
  6. SuperCheetah

    SuperCheetah TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 709

    Arris is right. You can't have bottlenecks slowing your system down or not allowing it to perform at its potential. Personally I have a Athlon 1.4 gig processor so I believe I should be ok for a while anyway. :)
  7. eddy05

    eddy05 TS Rookie Posts: 152

    So does my GeForce 2 MX 200 and Pentium 4 1.8ghz results in a bottleneck?
  8. SuperCheetah

    SuperCheetah TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 709

    Probably a little, but not an incredibly noticeable one. It really depends on whether you play lots of games. This is where you'll see the real difference. If I were you and had a little extra money I would opt for either a GeForce 3, GeForce Ti200, or maybe an ATI 8500 (although I don't really know too much about ATI, but I've heard good things). This would more than likely improve your gaming experience tremedously.

    I have a GeForce 2 Pro, and sometimes I feel that it is not enough, but then again I try not to play too many games! ;)
  9. eddy05

    eddy05 TS Rookie Posts: 152

    When I played my common played games like counter-strike and RA2, I don't feel that it's not enough. However, when I see my graphic card's performance on 3Dmark2001 SE my heart suddenly sank...
  10. SuperCheetah

    SuperCheetah TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 709

    Yeah well, my scores weren't that impressive either. The newer games will start to take advantage of features that my card nor my card have like Antialiasing, etc. and then the differences will begin to show up. The human eye can only see so many frames per second and after that it is just for bragging rights really.

    But if you feel comfortable with your card then I would say to stick with it. ;)
  11. SuperCheetah

    SuperCheetah TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 709

    Oops, I meant my card nor your card. Sorry about that! :)
  12. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,521   +223

    You do know that there is an edit button don't you? :haha:

    I am currently running an Athlon 1.4@1.5 (143fsb) with a Geforce3. If I look at the 3dmark scores of users with Athlon XPs and P4 > 2Ghz but still using an original Geforce3 they get higher 3dmarks. So the Geforce3 hasn't topped out yet!
    Features like antialiasing, as far as I am aware are dealt with more or less by just the GPU as its transforming data that it has already received from the system. Whereas the general 3d rendering and recalculation of positions of 3d objects etc is done as a partnership betwen CPU and GPU. The faster that the CPU can provide the data the faster the GPU can process it.. up until the limitation of the AGP bus speed and the processing capability of the GPU.
  13. eddy05

    eddy05 TS Rookie Posts: 152

    I believe that even if you used a card like TNT2 M64, you'll still get an increasing performance with an faster computer, though not by much, but the CPU tries to squeeze everything out of that poor card.

    My GeForce 2 MX 200 only got 1500 3dmarks using the default settings. "Impressive."
  14. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,521   +223

    Yes but the threshold that a faster CPU stops improving performance is lower for the older and lower spec video cards...

    Check out the Quake III Arena: 1024x768 graph in this Tomshardware Geforce2 scaling analysis article
    The article is a little out of date but you get the idea??? ;)
  15. Ai Hate

    Ai Hate TS Rookie Posts: 302

    i remembered back in the old forums, someone posted a link to a very nice article about bandwith, by the bitmap brothers (or sth) i think...
    hmm... where's Arris's post... gotta use the link in his sig ;)
    oh no... can't find it... :eek:
    anyone bookmarked it?
  16. svtcobra

    svtcobra TechSpot Paladin Posts: 761

    Here ya go:
  17. SuperCheetah

    SuperCheetah TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 709

    Hmm, I think I need to save a little bit of money and invest in a new graphics card, more than likely a Geforce 3 Ti 500.

    Anyone partial to any particular brand? I personally like Gainward, but I've heard good things about Asus. Any more I should look into???

  18. young&wild

    young&wild TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 993

    Hmmm....a good point.
  19. SuperCheetah

    SuperCheetah TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 709

    ATI All-In-Wonder 8500DV vs. ???

    I've been looking at ATI's All-In-Wonder 8500DV card and it's incredible amount of features. What really impresses me is the TV recording and pausing live broadcasts and being able to watch TV through transparent windows while working.

    I was wondering if Nvidia or any other company had anything in their graphics cards to match this awesome feature? I see that Nvidia has the Personal Cinema, but I don't want something separate and expensive rather an all-in-one card.
  20. PHATMAN5050

    PHATMAN5050 TS Rookie Posts: 593

    i was just reading through the newspaper and came upon the ATI Radeon 8500LE which is 128mb. I would wait to upgrade to a new video card if i were you Cheetah just because a week or two after you buy this 64mb card they will market the same card but with 128mb and you will feel left behind again.
  21. SuperCheetah

    SuperCheetah TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 709

    I was wondering why this card didn't already have 128MB of memory in it. Guess I'll what for the upgraded version. Still, 300 to 400 dollars is a ton of money to spend on a graphics card!!!
  22. MrGaribaldi

    MrGaribaldi TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 2,512

    The 128mb card is allready announced here...

  23. SuperCheetah

    SuperCheetah TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 709

    Just curious, but does anyone have an answer to my question on does Nvidia or any other company have a graphics card or software that allows a user to watch TV through translucent windows on their computer??? I find this a really cool and useful feature. Thanks for any help!!!
  24. svtcobra

    svtcobra TechSpot Paladin Posts: 761

    I am merging a couple of threads all into this one to have a good reference point for deciding on what is the best graphics card..
  25. Xerak

    Xerak TS Rookie Posts: 20

    ATI Raedon 8500 is great, especially if you mod it and overclock it.
    The new 128 should be great.
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