Sorry about the attitude ... it's just that kind of day. Anyways you do make some good points, but (and this is just my opninion) I don't trust ATI. They have a bad rep for a reason ... i.e: horrible drivers. I mean this is all just opinion ... the news I hear steers me away from the Radeon and maybe I'm missing out .. I don't know. If the Radeon is still stable a 2 months from now .. or better yet when Direct X 9 comes out ... maybe I'll reconsider. There are no better drivers out there than the Detonators and the new series already cut some of those huge performance claims of the Radeon in 2. Actually every test I've seen of the 40 Det's vs the Radeon 9700 in UT 2003 has the GeForce actually scoring higher. And the "long standing" thing is true .. ATI has a long standing history of sucking all the way back to the OG Rage cards. I've been in the "industry" for awhile now so I can say my opinion is an educated one.