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Bluescreens galore

By Annihilator
Apr 7, 2010
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  1. GAGEtheBEAST

    GAGEtheBEAST TS Rookie Posts: 36

    Might I suggest that it be the northbridge? I know that my Gigabyte board's northbridge would get painfully hot (seriously). Do you still use the stock heatsink?
     
  2. Annihilator

    Annihilator TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 92

    What do you mean? I used a CPU cooler, not a stock one though. The system ran fine for a month, though.

    I'll put a new CPU cooler in now (the one that came with the phenom). What should I do about the northbridge, or how can I see if it gets too hot?
     
  3. GAGEtheBEAST

    GAGEtheBEAST TS Rookie Posts: 36

    The northbridge links your cpu to your ram to your pci express slot to your BIOS so you can see where it could be the root of a host of problems. If you want more detailed information on it, simply google the term. Personally, I think that it is the cause of all your problems since there are so many DIFFERENT BSODs that you deal with. Your northbridge will be a large heatsink (not the smaller one) without a fan and it will probably say "Gigabyte" on the top of it. I would first recommend touching it with the back of your hand after a bluescreen. If it feels abnormally hot (slightly painful) it would be worth it to find a monitoring program such as Everest that will tell you all system temperatures including that of the northbridge. I use the Everest program and have found it to be a valuable resource in troubleshooting problems resulting from physical factors. Google is your friend :)
     
  4. Annihilator

    Annihilator TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 92

    The board I have (maybe google a picture of it) has heat sinks on it, in blue metal. I don't know how I could change anything with them if they are the problem. What do you suggest?

    I'll get everest, although when I tried it, it only showed temps for my harddrives, maybe it works now.
     
  5. Annihilator

    Annihilator TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 92

    Ok after changing the CPU cooler and adding another fan it runs fine. EXCEPT this: After every cold boot I get a bluescreen after some time. First, all programs that autostart or that I start shortly after boot fail with error messages about memory, then I get a BAD_POOL_HEADER bluescreen or the like. After restarting it runs fine for the rest of the day.

    I put the timings of my ram in as shown on the modules, that was yesterday, and it worked. Now I started TF2 and shortly after starting it I got a SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION with Stop: 3b

    I eliminated all the problems basically, now I would like to get rid of this too, any suggestions or ideas?
     
  6. Annihilator

    Annihilator TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 92

    After reinstalling Windows on a different harddrive, the problems persist. I am now trying to get the mainboard replaced, I feel I did everything possible.
     
  7. Route44

    Route44 TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 12,155   +34

    Yes, I believe you did and then some. Please keep us updated and thanks for getting back to us.
     
  8. Annihilator

    Annihilator TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 92

    Ok here is the promised update. After over a month I received a new mainboard from Gigabyte. I installed it, and it ran fine yesterday. After leaving the PC off for 8 hours, I started it again in the morning, and after a few minutes in Windows random programs gave critical errors and I got a bluescreen. Page fault in non paged area.

    BCCode: 50
    BCP1: FFFFF8A00A351AF8
    BCP2: 0000000000000001
    BCP3: FFFFF80002FA30EE
    BCP4: 0000000000000002

    I never had this one before, but since it is so similar to the others (occur after coldboot, crash of programs and then bluescreen) I believe it is still the same crap.
    I don't know what to do anymore, I switched the ram, the mainboard, the harddrives, reinstalled the OS several times, installed a different OS, and it doesn't work.

    Also it seems to be pretty much this problem: http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic19636.html but the topic is locked for some unknown reason, even though no solution is found there either.

    But I already got new ram and motherboard and everything. :( God I can't take this anymore

    Edit:
    I uploaded a zip of the recent memory dump to dropbox, maybe someone can do something with it.
    Here is the Link http://db.tt/ctKfKc

    Gotta try get Wes Craven on the phone, selling him this thread as a script for a horror film.
     
  9. Route44

    Route44 TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 12,155   +34

    This has to be one of the best lines I have read anywhere at any time.

    Your error is 0x00000050: PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
    Requested data was not in memory. An invalid system memory address was referenced. Defective memory (including main memory, L2 RAM cache, video RAM) or incompatible software (including remote control and antivirus software) might cause this Stop message, as may other hardware problems (e.g., incorrect SCSI termination or a flawed PCI card).


    * Though it only cited a Windows OS please note that it can be due to software as well as hardware.

    * The minidump specifically noted that "Some registry values may be zeroed or incorrect."

    * Also in the PROCESS_NAME section of the dump file that the OS driver WerFault.exe was noted. Now if you do a search on this OS driver there is quite a bit on thge web concerning it and the issues it causes. I suggest that you take some significant time is studying up on it because it might have to do with your registry issues.
     
  10. LookinAround

    LookinAround TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 8,372   +167

    Wow. And i was hoping "no news was good news"...

    A couple comments

    I went to look at the m/b again on Gigabyte's support site here. This board seems to have quite a history

    I note there are now both a Rev 1.0 and Rev 2.0 board (both are listed as AMD 890GX + SB850 Chipset). Do know which they sent you? Also, at least at first glance, i'm not sure of the diff between v1 and v2. Do you know? Might also be worthwhile to check


    Also, don't recall if we've down this path before, but even if so, can still be worthwhile to try loading a standard OS like booting from Knoppix DVD or any other standard Linux install to see if you can get it to crash.

    And if you end up calling Gigabyte support again for m/b info or whatever, you might also start posturing for maybe the need to try a completely different AND STABLE board if this seems to still be a problem. If they hesitate, send them this thread and ask them what else they suggest and why the heck this board has had so many damn bios updates and rev changes in such a short time!

    /* edit */
    Which reminds me there's also yet another BIOS beta update since we last looked. Don't know if applies or was purely for CPU support. Tho, at this point, don't know i'd trust / rely on Gigabyte's release notes
     
  11. Annihilator

    Annihilator TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 92

    I got a rev 2 board back, I sent a rev 1. The difference I know of is that rev 2 supports on/off charge, which apparently charges ipods and iphones faster and lets you charge those devices while the PC is turned off.

    Before I sent it to RMA I already installed XP, Vista and Win 7 on different harddrives from different manufacturers.

    This error, as said, happened on cold boot. Yesterday it ran fine all day, and after the bluescreen this morning, it has been running fine all day, with games, internet videos, HD movies and all that crashed it before almost instantly most of the time (most of the time because it also had those intervals were everything worked fine for a day and everything went to hell next day)

    Thank you, quite proud of it myself.

    I'm downloading a Linux Live DVD now, and will try it with that too.

    Shouldn't registry and driver issues be eliminated by the installations and re installation of different operating systems?
     
     
  12. Route44

    Route44 TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 12,155   +34

    Yes, but what if this driver is not playing "nice" with some component? It also, from what I've read, causes issues on boot-ups/loading.

    Perhaps there is a fix. If you got anymore minidump files I'll read them.
     
  13. Annihilator

    Annihilator TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 92

    Nothing I haven't already posted. I'll upload any minidumps that come from future crashes.

    The crashes usually pointed towards ram as the issue, though. It all appears to be very random. I'm quite happy it at least doesn't crash while using it for now, the only crash I got since installing the replaced board was on boot.
     
  14. Annihilator

    Annihilator TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 92

    Ok now, after trying if I could prevent this from happening by going into hibernation mode instead of shutting down, I got another bluescreen this morning. IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL.

    BCCode: a
    BCP1: FFFFF6FCC0143C60
    BCP2: 0000000000000000
    BCP3: 0000000000000000
    BCP4: FFFFF80002DCDE37

    I uploaded the dump here:
    http://db.tt/Ez0nTU
     
  15. Route44

    Route44 TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 12,155   +34

    Another 0xA error and this is hard to believe but it cites memory corruption. Unbelievable.
     
  16. Annihilator

    Annihilator TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 92

    I think ultimately the graphic card was at fault.

    How I came to this brilliant conclusion: Today the card gave me artifacts and pretty colors, and died.

    I will see how the system does a cold boot without the card tomorrow. The weird thing was, when I gave the card to a friend to test it, he had no problems with it. That, and the fact it was pretty much new, just back from RMA, made me think its out of the possibilities. I just hope I finally found the culprit and that there is not something else.

    Another great detail is, that the card is like 2 or 3 months over warranty, and I don't have money for a new one.
     
  17. LookinAround

    LookinAround TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 8,372   +167

    That alone puts Murphy's Law on the graphics card! ;)
     
  18. Annihilator

    Annihilator TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 92

    In case you haven't laughed today: The gpu is an additional defect, but not the cause.

    I started it again today, without the dead gpu and guess what? PAGE_FAULT_IN_NON_PAGED_AREA

    What the hell is this? Its entirely new ram which doesn't show any memory erorrs, its an entirely new mainboard, and yet I get memory corruption errors?

    What else can this be? So far this only seems to happen on cold boot too, not like before on normal boots and in between.
     
  19. LookinAround

    LookinAround TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 8,372   +167

    Anything new with the "home computer from hell"?!
     
  20. Annihilator

    Annihilator TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 92

    Yes, I got my graphics card back to work (artifacts and bluescreen when using 3D mode, as I said earlier) by sticking it into the oven.

    Runs like a charm now.

    I think the mainboard did a difference too. I think the only thing left now is the ram (which I already switched, but since its G.Skill again and it has that cold boot bug, I probably got a lemon again).

    I only get 1 bluescreen in the morning now, after the PC was off for at least 6 hours. A restart, and everything works fine all day. It probably was the mainboard which was defect, maybe the graphiccards video ram helped too, I don't know.

    Now it seems I only have that Ram cold boot bug, and I'm hoping it is all back to normal when I send the ram to the RMA. (G.Skill support said that as well).

    I couldn't do it yet though, I didn't want to be unable to use my desktop for another 2 weeks again, so I waited and put up with the 1 bluescreen in the morning. I will send it in later though, and will report if that fixes everything.

    Sorry if something doesn't make quite sense, its 1:40 am and I'm quite tired.
     
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