Bluescreens galore

Ok I did that yesterday and it went fine, I could play GTA 4 for an hour, and another game after that for 30 minutes without any errors. I thought that overheating was the cause.

Today, I tried again, booting up, 1 minute after boot: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL (with the case open and the fan next to it). Restarted, tried GTA 4 again, ran for around 12 minutes I think, then again IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. Although this time the cpu heat showed up to 53 degree celsius with the fan. I'm not sure if the cooling just didn't work as well as before (but I think it did, its a huge fan after all) or if this is just the old problem again.
Question is: Why did it work for so long yesterday, even after shutting down and after 30 minutes trying again? If it were a one-time-luck thing why did it work twice?

Edit: Did another try. I moved all cables out of the way that could hinder the external fan, and it ran GTA 4 for 60 minutes until I closed it. Then, a second after I closed it, restart, without a bluescreen and without an error message at the next start.The CPU gets around 50 degree celsius with external fan and case opened. Isn't that pretty hot? I read that IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL is most of the time either bad ram or overheating CPU, so I thought this was likely.

Do you think that that could be the case too? Should I get another CPU fan, change it and see how it works then? I touched the heatsink and its not even "warm", its almost totally cool. That isn't right, is it? With the CPU being 30-50 degree, the heatsink shouldn't be cold right? I really hope this is the problem and not something else.

50c = 122F 53c = 127F

Airflow is critical and heat that goes beyond the built-in parameters will shut down a system FAST.

It could very well be heat is a major player here. What case do you have? How may fans?

Here is another way you could test this in a cheap way and that is take off your side panel, get a small fan, and with settings on low have the fan glow directly on your system. It will bring down your temps very nicely (I speak from experience). Then play your most demanding games.

What are the results?

Please read my last 2 posts, that is exactly what I did. With the fan next to it it plays GTA 4 fine for over an hour, without it, I got bluescreens in 2 minutes.

I just now got a stop: 0x000000024 after I put the fan away. I have 2 fans and 1 CPU fan. My case is a Thermaltake Armor+.

But yes, please read the 2 last posts, I explained in detail what I did and what the results where.

Sorry, I didn't read post #120.

It really seems like it runs longer with the external fan standing here. But is that temperature is posted too hot?

I still have the stock cooler around here, that came with the Phenom processor I'm using, should I put that in?

Might I suggest that it be the northbridge? I know that my Gigabyte board's northbridge would get painfully hot (seriously). Do you still use the stock heatsink?

What do you mean? I used a CPU cooler, not a stock one though. The system ran fine for a month, though.

I'll put a new CPU cooler in now (the one that came with the phenom). What should I do about the northbridge, or how can I see if it gets too hot?

The northbridge links your cpu to your ram to your pci express slot to your BIOS so you can see where it could be the root of a host of problems. If you want more detailed information on it, simply google the term. Personally, I think that it is the cause of all your problems since there are so many DIFFERENT BSODs that you deal with. Your northbridge will be a large heatsink (not the smaller one) without a fan and it will probably say "Gigabyte" on the top of it. I would first recommend touching it with the back of your hand after a bluescreen. If it feels abnormally hot (slightly painful) it would be worth it to find a monitoring program such as Everest that will tell you all system temperatures including that of the northbridge. I use the Everest program and have found it to be a valuable resource in troubleshooting problems resulting from physical factors. Google is your friend

The board I have (maybe google a picture of it) has heat sinks on it, in blue metal. I don't know how I could change anything with them if they are the problem. What do you suggest?

I'll get everest, although when I tried it, it only showed temps for my harddrives, maybe it works now.

Ok after changing the CPU cooler and adding another fan it runs fine. EXCEPT this: After every cold boot I get a bluescreen after some time. First, all programs that autostart or that I start shortly after boot fail with error messages about memory, then I get a BAD_POOL_HEADER bluescreen or the like. After restarting it runs fine for the rest of the day.

I put the timings of my ram in as shown on the modules, that was yesterday, and it worked. Now I started TF2 and shortly after starting it I got a SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION with Stop: 3b

I eliminated all the problems basically, now I would like to get rid of this too, any suggestions or ideas?

After reinstalling Windows on a different harddrive, the problems persist. I am now trying to get the mainboard replaced, I feel I did everything possible.

Yes, I believe you did and then some. Please keep us updated and thanks for getting back to us.

Ok here is the promised update. After over a month I received a new mainboard from Gigabyte. I installed it, and it ran fine yesterday. After leaving the PC off for 8 hours, I started it again in the morning, and after a few minutes in Windows random programs gave critical errors and I got a bluescreen. Page fault in non paged area.

BCCode: 50
BCP1: FFFFF8A00A351AF8
BCP2: 0000000000000001
BCP3: FFFFF80002FA30EE
BCP4: 0000000000000002

I never had this one before, but since it is so similar to the others (occur after coldboot, crash of programs and then bluescreen) I believe it is still the same crap.
I don't know what to do anymore, I switched the ram, the mainboard, the harddrives, reinstalled the OS several times, installed a different OS, and it doesn't work.

Also it seems to be pretty much this problem: http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic19636.html but the topic is locked for some unknown reason, even though no solution is found there either.

But I already got new ram and motherboard and everything. God I can't take this anymore

Edit:
I uploaded a zip of the recent memory dump to dropbox, maybe someone can do something with it.
Here is the Link http://db.tt/ctKfKc

Gotta try get Wes Craven on the phone, selling him this thread as a script for a horror film.

This has to be one of the best lines I have read anywhere at any time.

Your error is 0x00000050: PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
Requested data was not in memory. An invalid system memory address was referenced. Defective memory (including main memory, L2 RAM cache, video RAM) or incompatible software (including remote control and antivirus software) might cause this Stop message, as may other hardware problems (e.g., incorrect SCSI termination or a flawed PCI card).


* Though it only cited a Windows OS please note that it can be due to software as well as hardware.

* The minidump specifically noted that "Some registry values may be zeroed or incorrect."

* Also in the PROCESS_NAME section of the dump file that the OS driver WerFault.exe was noted. Now if you do a search on this OS driver there is quite a bit on thge web concerning it and the issues it causes. I suggest that you take some significant time is studying up on it because it might have to do with your registry issues.

Wow. And i was hoping "no news was good news"...

A couple comments

I went to look at the m/b again on Gigabyte's support site here. This board seems to have quite a history

I note there are now both a Rev 1.0 and Rev 2.0 board (both are listed as AMD 890GX + SB850 Chipset). Do know which they sent you? Also, at least at first glance, i'm not sure of the diff between v1 and v2. Do you know? Might also be worthwhile to check


Also, don't recall if we've down this path before, but even if so, can still be worthwhile to try loading a standard OS like booting from Knoppix DVD or any other standard Linux install to see if you can get it to crash.

And if you end up calling Gigabyte support again for m/b info or whatever, you might also start posturing for maybe the need to try a completely different AND STABLE board if this seems to still be a problem. If they hesitate, send them this thread and ask them what else they suggest and why the heck this board has had so many damn bios updates and rev changes in such a short time!

/* edit */
Which reminds me there's also yet another BIOS beta update since we last looked. Don't know if applies or was purely for CPU support. Tho, at this point, don't know i'd trust / rely on Gigabyte's release notes

I got a rev 2 board back, I sent a rev 1. The difference I know of is that rev 2 supports on/off charge, which apparently charges ipods and iphones faster and lets you charge those devices while the PC is turned off.

Before I sent it to RMA I already installed XP, Vista and Win 7 on different harddrives from different manufacturers.

This error, as said, happened on cold boot. Yesterday it ran fine all day, and after the bluescreen this morning, it has been running fine all day, with games, internet videos, HD movies and all that crashed it before almost instantly most of the time (most of the time because it also had those intervals were everything worked fine for a day and everything went to hell next day)

Thank you, quite proud of it myself.

I'm downloading a Linux Live DVD now, and will try it with that too.

Shouldn't registry and driver issues be eliminated by the installations and re installation of different operating systems?

Yes, but what if this driver is not playing "nice" with some component? It also, from what I've read, causes issues on boot-ups/loading.

Perhaps there is a fix. If you got anymore minidump files I'll read them.

Nothing I haven't already posted. I'll upload any minidumps that come from future crashes.

The crashes usually pointed towards ram as the issue, though. It all appears to be very random. I'm quite happy it at least doesn't crash while using it for now, the only crash I got since installing the replaced board was on boot.

Ok now, after trying if I could prevent this from happening by going into hibernation mode instead of shutting down, I got another bluescreen this morning. IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL.

BCCode: a
BCP1: FFFFF6FCC0143C60
BCP2: 0000000000000000
BCP3: 0000000000000000
BCP4: FFFFF80002DCDE37

I uploaded the dump here:
http://db.tt/Ez0nTU

Another 0xA error and this is hard to believe but it cites memory corruption. Unbelievable.