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Building a gaming PC, I have found all parts

By F1N3ST
Aug 23, 2006
  1. Please tell me if this stuff will be incompatible, and i dont know which hard drive to use, so help me there. And I think that the video card is a good deal.

    84.99$ Video Card- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102019 575mhz core clock 1200mhz RAM Clock
    53.99$ Hard Drive- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822145091 160GB
    53.99$ Hard Drive- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822145088 160GB
    29.99$ Case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811145066 Lit Case & 450W PSU
    25.95$ Sound Card- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829102176 Great PCI Sound Card
    9.49$ Mouse- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826178007 1300 Dots Per Inch Mouse, Accurate as hell
    79.99$ RAM 1gb+512 Mushkin- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146049 1GB Mushkin RAM, I have a 512MB stick already
    106$ Processor- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116231 3.2GHZ Pentium 4 Processor
    63$ Motherboard- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813121309 Motherboard With PCI-e PCI and 2GB RAM support
    60$ Windows XP Home- On Ebay

    ------------------------------------------------555$ With Shipping----------------------------------------------------------------------

    I think i should get a decent FPS ;)
     
  2. i_am_a_newbie

    i_am_a_newbie TS Rookie Posts: 278

    Do not use that PSU. You think a 450W PSU that comes for $30 with a case is going to serve you well? Think again.

    Get one from a reliable manufacturer; Antec, Enermax, PCP&P, FSP Group, etc etc
     
  3. F1N3ST

    F1N3ST TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,088

  4. Ziris

    Ziris TS Rookie

    Sounds like a good rig. You've got the most bang for your buck (that's with your new selection of case/psu). As for the hard drive, go with the sata to improve speed. Just be aware that the mobo you've selected is a micro-atx, leaving you with little room to expand.
     
  5. LipsOfVenom

    LipsOfVenom TS Rookie Posts: 256

    why do you have an IDE and a SATA HDD? Might as well stick to just SATA no?
    And the RAM won't work since it's 240 Pin while the MOBO only uses 184 pin. Get a 6xx series CPU too.
     
  6. nickslick74

    nickslick74 TS Rookie Posts: 883

  7. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    But mostly onboard sound is to be avoided since it uses up CPU cycles. There are good sound cards from Diamond that are around $15 or so. Try this one.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829111003 $17.99

    Also, why not consider these?
    Motherboard $56.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131023
    Processor $116.00
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116213
    Case + PSU $94.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129155
    Will be around $40 more but will get u a dual-core system that is way better than the single-core one u wanna buy ATM.
     
  8. F1N3ST

    F1N3ST TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,088

  9. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    AMD Athlon 64 X2s kill the Pentium Ds by a long shot. However Socket 939 is dying out fast and Socket AM2 is expensive as u might have seen, so buy an X2 only if u have the cash to do so. I recommended the Pentium D coz it seemed like an inexpensive dual-core solution but if u have enough cash, go for the AMD processor and mobo u posted.
     
  10. F1N3ST

    F1N3ST TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,088

    Ok, ill do that, but do you think i can build a computer, i have installed RAM, DVD drives, and graphics cards, but how hard is screwing the Mobo to the case, and putting in the processor ? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129012 Will that work for a PSU/Case, its a 380 Wat antec, i like the silver on the case :D.
     
  11. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    That casing looks good. BTW, why not spend a little more on the video card? U could get an X1600XT with GDDR3 memory which wouldn't cost u too much more and still beat the crap out of the X1600PRO. Try this one, it's only $20 more than the X1600PRO and gives much better overall performance.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102668

    As for building the PC, it's not very difficult and if u do it right, won't take u more than 3-4 hours to finish.
     
     
  12. F1N3ST

    F1N3ST TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,088

    Lol, funny thing is in my little notepad document i put that card down earlier, just forgot to post it here lol.
     
  13. sellmesanity

    sellmesanity TS Rookie Posts: 268

    If you by chance happen to read a previous ranting of mine, I said I was mad at AMD simply because they let something like Core 2 Duo slip under and cram them. I will, however tell you that any processor that uses the Netburst architecture(Pentium 4 or Pentium D) should be melted and used for swords or something more useful. You say you're building a gaming system? 3.2ghz Pentium 4 is a horrible processor to pick unless you're an expert at overclocking. If you're gonna stick with intel go Core 2 Duo or nothing at all from intel cause that is the only good thing they have...otherwise go with AMD. If you agree with me I will be more than glad to help you out with picking parts...
     
  14. F1N3ST

    F1N3ST TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,088

    I agree lol, i decided on a Athlon 64 X2. Ill post my updated list of parts.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813157093
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811129012
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820144027
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819103735
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814131007
    I am buying a hard drive locally like at best buy, cause there always on sale here lol.
    People say these overclock good too. I am not an expert on overclocking but i know i can do it. Thanks for your help.
    If you wanna talk on IM, here are my adresses:
    AIM- scum1of1the1land
    MSN- southpark_kid101@hotmail.com
     
  15. sellmesanity

    sellmesanity TS Rookie Posts: 268

    Oh man do I have something to say about these so called gaming PC parts...

    Motherboard
    Asrock sucks as a brand, I know many who have problems with them. Via sucks as a chipset, especially in contrast to it's direct competitors, Nvidia (nforce) and ati chipsets. Via motherboard chipsets suck for overclocking too.

    Case
    Case is good!

    Ram
    Ram is great!

    Video Card
    Horrible for gaming. I had two and they kept overheating and artifacting. X800gto is not even powerful compared to what else is out there. Low fps. If you want to save and get performance I say you get a 7600gt (preferebly eVga)!

    CPU
    The E6300 Core 2 Duo is way faster than this 3800+ and it is only 40 bucks more. That is your best bet.

    I will note that most people will agree with these opinions (unless they had good experience with Asrock as a brand or Via as a chipset which is highly unlikely, especially overclockers) If, however you are going to stay with the Athlon x2, I don't know WHY you would do this, I highly recommend a board by Epox, they have high overclocks and great stability (I overclocked on it and am currently using it!)

    See ya.
     
  16. TyPe-ZeRo

    TyPe-ZeRo TS Rookie Posts: 20

    Although I believe what sellmesanity has a point with Core 2 Duo and the Video Card, with your motherboard choice, do not let the fact that it's VIA lead you astray; People have different experiences with different boards. So far i've had excellent luck with VIA chipsets, and what sellmesanity is forgetting to mention is that a lot of boards come with VIA chips, for RTLxxxx 10/100MB/s onboard Ethernet, and onboard sound. So long as you run a board by the TechSpot members to double check your decision, and not to mention read reviews from NewEgg, you should be safe with your computer build.

    True, but you fail to remember that if he goes with dual core, the processing time taken by onboard sound would be miniscule and would become a non issue.


    So this is to the OP, how much are you actually willing to spend on an actual computer build, tell us the bottom line as to what you're trying to spend.

    you really only have three choices:

    A)High End - $2,000.00+ USD (Absolute Latest and Greatest)
    B)Mid End - $600.00-$1,500.00 (A still, budget based system revolving around bang-for-buck ratio)
    C)Low End - Anything under $600.00 (Decent stuff for the time being, but granted come December you'll be kicking yourself.)

    I realize you're trying to get most bang for the buck, but i've built a plethora of gaming rigs.

    I'm going to see what I can come up with when building a gaming rig for the same or under the price you've said.
     
  17. i_am_a_newbie

    i_am_a_newbie TS Rookie Posts: 278

    No offense to you, but Newegg user reviews should be taken with nothing but a grain of salt.

    Honestly some of the reviews look like the users have had the product for a day(and still ticked off the "over one month" option).
     
  18. TyPe-ZeRo

    TyPe-ZeRo TS Rookie Posts: 20

    Keyword there, champ, is some.

    usually NewEgg has hundreds upon thousands of user reviews, so you cannot really say that most of these aren't well meaning.

    and not to mention if he does get a DOA part, he should feel safe because it's from NewEgg, i'm not trying to sound like i'm a NewEgg rep. but I've come to really like how NewEgg does business.

    So really, if you're point is 'people from NewEgg who give reviews should be taken with a grain is salt' then shouldn't it apply to TechSpot or any other help board?

    We're all just trying to help each other make informed decisions rather than regretting things/purchases.
     
  19. i_am_a_newbie

    i_am_a_newbie TS Rookie Posts: 278

    I didn't want to start anything..

    There's a big difference between a disgruntled and/or overenthused consumer and someone(not including myself) who is a PC enthusiast trying to offer help. Of course, some of the reviews should be helpful, but many are just "good for the money" as newegg does offer many items for low prices.

    Also, of course, by logic, MANY of the users will offer extremely accurate info, but when you think of the large amount of PC users who post reviews based on a few days of usage of the product, skimming through the reviews might not be very easy. All I'm saying is beware what you read, that includes from any help boards of course, many users speak from personal experience, and that may not be the case for everyone else.
     
  20. sellmesanity

    sellmesanity TS Rookie Posts: 268

    Stop fighting guys; both of you have really valid points so leave it at that.

    So for the guy that made this thread, please consider my opinions on each part, the two things that I think you should change the most are the CPU and Vid card and mobo. (You need to change the mobo if you're actually going to listen :)

    I hope you know that the E6300, which runs about 193 dollars, is 1.86 ghz and the 3800+ x2 is clocked at 2.0ghz. To the average eye you would pick the 2.0ghz for cheaper, right? WRONG. CPUs are confusing, it used to be mhz that defined speed. Now it is all about architecture and design. The 1.86 destroys the 3800+ and is way more overclockable, being that it has less voltage...you can overclock it way more, absolutely destroying the 3800 x2!!!!!!

    OH YEAH here is proof that Via chipsets suck for overclocking as stated in this OCing guide
    http://wiki.extremeoverclocking.com/wiki/Athlon_64_Overclocking_Guide

    "The AGP and PCI Bus' are tied together on all motherboards that I know of. They are also derived from the FSB (Or HTT in the case of AMD) frequency by a divider. NVidia NForce chipsets have whats called a PCI/AGP Lock. This keeps your PCI and AGP Bus at a constant speed no matter what your HTT bus is. This is CRITICAL. If your PCI bus is too fast, you WILL corrupt hard drive data. If your AGP Bus is too fast, you WILL have Video problems. Via Chipsts have been known to have Faulty PCI locks. This appears to be corrected in the KT800 Pro Chipset, but KT800 and below SHOW a PCI Lock in most bios's but it doesnt do much... This is a Primary reason why overclockers stay away from these boards."
     
  21. F1N3ST

    F1N3ST TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,088

    I'll look for a Core 2 Duo motherboard. And if there like decent priced ill buy that. Guess ill have to make a little more money lol. I will have 2 PC's when im done with this. So i will sell my old one for like 325$ and then i can buy some better stuff if anyone buys it.
     
  22. Mirob

    Mirob TechSpot Paladin Posts: 841

    ASRock has the 775DUAL-VISA Core 2 mobo for cheap. It has a VIA chipset! Evidently from Anandtech articles it works well. Now that the E6300 is $193 I see no reason to buy a X2 for a new build.

    A Friend of mine just built his first rig with a MSI NEO 965 mobo and a E6400, it seems to have worked out well for him.

    From what I've seen the Gigabyte DS3 is a good mobo.
     
  23. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    Nice pointers Mirob. BTW, how do u hyperlink text?(as you've done with the Newegg links)
     
  24. F1N3ST

    F1N3ST TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 1,088

    I have decided on a X1600XT card instead of the PRO, its like 10$ more lol.
     
  25. sellmesanity

    sellmesanity TS Rookie Posts: 268

    If you spend like 160 you can get this beauty right here; which is WAY faster. You CANNOT build a gaming rig with an X1600xt, that card is pathetic. It also has a lifetime warranty!

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130017

    As for mobo; here is a pretty good one that I suggest...
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813135022
    That Core 2 Duo E6300 is a really good choice for this motherboard.
     
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