Built-in advertising: The Windows 8 feature you haven't heard about

By Shawn Knight
Nov 12, 2012
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  1. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,580   +863

    OK first, you and "guest" are doing a damned fine job indeed of trolling one another, thus making my life much easier, since all I have is a clunky old keyboard to respond. So, thanks again.

    On the other hand, you have assumed the posture of defending Win 8, and quite vehemently at that. The syntax of your posts, tend to give rise to the belief that you are indeed, a proud owner of this OS.

    So, our only point of impasse is this, I don't see where it's necessary to try Windows 8, to know that you don't like it, or don't want it. That's what all the hype surrounding its release should tell you, whether or not it's right for you.

    In my case, I gave some specificity to my reasoning behind not my being interested in becoming involved with it. It wasn't really an emotional response, or one motivated by my being "brainwashed".

    There's a Windows 8 thread, and most of the "proponents" of Win 8, seem to be disappointed in themselves because they just don't like it, but think that they're obligated to do so.

    And as I always like to point out, "your results may vary".
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  2. TechMancer

    TechMancer TechSpot Member Posts: 59

    You know what? Who cares? Stop the god damn arguing!
  3. Zecias

    Zecias TechSpot Booster Posts: 202

    I seem to be getting lengthy responses from you, so I guess the guest isn't the only one getting trolled :D

    "On the other hand, you have assumed the posture of defending Win 8, and quite vehemently at that. The syntax of your posts, tend to give rise to the belief that you are indeed, a proud owner of this OS." exactly, but I don't own it.
  4. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,580   +863

    No dude, you're just way "too deep", for my somewhat limited intellectual capabilities.

    I'll repeat myself for the 3rd time, "you don't have to own a copy, or even try a copy of Windows 8, to know whether or not it's right for you, or even if you would like it". It doesn't have the media center module, and I have no use for a touch screen interface. Done! Me no buy!

    That was the thrust of your rant at guest, you have to try it before you can say that you don't like it. My position is, "no, you don't".

    If you like I'll edit the line that has irked you out of the offending post.

    With that said, ask yourself, "is my syntax all that it could be, to avoid such misunderstandings in the future". I don't think it is But as you said earlier, you don't seem to believe I'm able to grasp your advanced concepts.
  5. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,580   +863

    Oh lord, don't give yourself too much credit for that. First off, I'm very rarely even capable of posting a "short response". Second, I have my internet computer under a bridge. (Keep that under your hat. It's information I only share with a "select few");)
  6. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,580   +863

    Would it be possible for you to post your, "thumbs up/thumbs down", take on the Star Trek movies, just so I can compare notes? (BTW, are you including the ST Next Generation movies in your synopsis)?
  7. Zecias

    Zecias TechSpot Booster Posts: 202

    Someone seems mad.

    What's the point of using an example if it doesn't work?


    all I ever said was that if you say something, you should back it up with some proof and some reasoning. You said that your posts were supposed to convince people not to get windows 8, but they are all about you and not why you shouldn't buy windows. I guess you just couldn't put two and two together.

    I never said you were trying to validate staying with windows 7, I was trying to say your were validating your hate for windows 8. You have a habit of assuming things that I don't say.

    You shouldn't try to rationalize human emotion, it is irrational and illogical.

    It's funny how you are the one talking about logic. Maybe you should take a look at what you write first. Or perhaps try to read what I wrote when you've cooled down a bit. It doesn't seem like you understand anything I've written, yet you keep replying.

    wow, I guess miracles do come true. I never expected to get any sort of reasoning(regarding your hate of windows 8; that rhymes :D) from you. Even if it is just one uninformed sentence among paragraphs of writing. Windows 8 is a full fledged PC OS. You can get rid of the touch interface. The functionality has actually improved when compared to windows 7. If you were the least bit educated on the subject you would know this. They have improved transfer screens, improved task manager, it's more secure, faster boot, etc...

    I don't really trust software reviews because I know that you can't really understand everything until you try it. There are small things that might annoy one person, but not the other. It's the culmination of those small things that determine whether or not you like the OS. If there are these small things that annoy you on a frequent basis, then you probably won't like the OS.

    If you play video games, you probably know what batman arkham asylum is. It is universally regarded as a good game by critics and normal gamers alike. I don't like the game. It doesn't mean it's bad, it's just not for me. You can say the same for pretty much any piece of software. Reviews are nice, but you should always take them with a grain of salt.Which is why I say you should actually try it first, you can't know everything by simply reading a review. And you haven't even taken that step.

    My gripe was never with you hating windows 8, it was with the way you did it.
  8. Zecias

    Zecias TechSpot Booster Posts: 202

    I have trouble with that too, don't worry about it. =P
  9. Zecias

    Zecias TechSpot Booster Posts: 202

    I'm getting kind of bored of this. Might or might not respond if you post again.
  10. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,580   +863

    Is it boredom seriously, or a flareup of carpal tunnel? LOL (Yes, I hate comics that laugh at their own jokes as much as the next guy. Well, except my own)!
  11. I wouldn't consider them unobtrusive as my Skype video pane has an advertisement running across the bottom of the screen.
     
  12. Captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:
    "OK first, you and "guest" are doing a damned fine job indeed of trolling one another, thus making my life much easier, since all I have is a clunky old keyboard to respond. So, thanks again."

    My response:
    I am not sure how 2 people expressing opposing opinioins qualifies them as trolls. I thought the definition of a troll was someone who posted messages simply for attention or to try and push buttons. While I admit I do like to make my posts memorable with colorful language to get my points across, the original intent is not of a trolling nature. I guess even though I offer very logical responses I automatically get labeled as being a troll for posting LOLs? *shurgs*

    Anyhow, oddly enough, You actually articulate my own beliefs better than I might have been able to do.

    captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:
    "There's a Windows 8 thread, and most of the "proponents" of Win 8, seem to be disappointed in themselves because they just don't like it, but think that they're obligated to do so."

    I think people "want" to love Windows 8 but deep down inside they don't. But because they already purchased it, or maybe because they think(wrongly so) that there is no alternative operating system to go to, that they must accept Windows 8 as their only fate and somehow learn to live with it and love it, if they just give it a chance.

    I have no reason to self-validate by posting negative rants about Windows 8. I haven't made a decision that I cannot change. People who have already made the decision to purchase Windows 8 have to live with that decision and therefore seek validation for decision. If you've already purchased Windows 8, you have, as captaincranky so states, a misguided heartfelt 'obligation' to like it because you already spent the time and money on installing it and using it. I have not invested anything in Windows 8. Haven't even tried the CP. I can give Microsoft my credit card right now and download it if I want to and have instant self-validation in my soul. Problem is, deep down inside, I dont want to. That's the whole problem with Windows 8.
  13. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,580   +863

    What the heck is "shurg". Could that be turned into the present participle form of a verb: IE "shurgging".

    A comedian once said in a routine about being rejected by a girl who told him "he had sweaty palms". He opined, "when you're holding hands, it's hard to tell whose hand is doing the sweating. I hope you're able to interpolate that analog to the art of trolling. As you punishment if you can't, you have to go back and withdraw the whole cocaine analog.

    Glad to be of service...:)

    Bear in mind that I had absolutely nothing to do with the "self validation" remark. I didn't publish it, sponsor it, nor do I endorse it.

    You have to admit, you did come out swinging on the Windows 8 issue. Unsurprisingly, people will push back just as strongly. It's a concept of physics that oddly manifests itself in human behaviour, "equal and opposing forces, (attempt to), cancel each other out". Peace.....:)
  14. Zecias

    Zecias TechSpot Booster Posts: 202

    I never questioned that.

    you can save your fingers the pain. =)

    I wasn't referring to the concepts, just my writing. The concept is simple. I don't care what you think about windows 8, I just hate it when people say they hate something and give no reasoning as to why. It adds nothing to the conversation.

    imagine a list of comments like that.

    I hate windows 8.
    Windows 8 rules.
    No, windows 8 sucks.
    No, it's awesome.

    Ok, you hate windows 8, the other person likes windows 8... why should I care? There's no substance, it's just pointless drivel.

    As for preventing misunderstandings, it's too hard to account for.
  15. Windows 8 is not PC operating system anymore, after 15 years started learning Linux what how I hate uptil cause not friendly at all and irrigate and bullshit.
  16. VitalyT

    VitalyT TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 1,668   +509

    And to think I was about to try and like Win-8, this one is a blow below waist.
  17. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,580   +863

    I have no idea exactly what you're trying to say, but you did spell "bullshit" correctly and you get one point for that....;)

    (But only one point! You're lucky I don't take that away on account of the double post).
  18. avoidz

    avoidz TechSpot Maniac Posts: 454   +54

    An obnoxious move. If the day comes that I'm forced to use Windows 8 I'll be looking for the adblocker tool asap.
  19. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,580   +863

    OK look, "Guest's" rant was anti consumerism. I consider that a valid reason for not being interested in Windows 8.

    I also agree with you, that to patently judge something without explanation, is indeed irritating. It's irritating because it's usually done in a manner that makes one believe the originator is a victim of brainwashing. The same could be said, perhaps more strenuously about positive statements made toward a product, since advertising is a euphemism for "propaganda", and "propaganda", is a euphemism for "brainwashing". People ingest propaganda, then they spew propaganda! It's practically the circle of life....

    In practice, many people don't have the time, or choose to spend the time, laying out the foundation or their belief system.

    There's probably a component of self defense in there, from getting sucked into too many political and religious arguments.

    But yeah, mindless people say mindless things. If you get a chance read a bit of Piaget. His theories about our "concrete operational", and "abstract operational" stages, could be of value to you in sorting these issues out.

    For example, our Philadelphia Eagles suck on a not at all intermittent basis (*). Yet Philly people love them, and continue to buy season tickets, year upon unending year. So, what do you think you'd hear from their fans, if you asked, "why do you like the Eagles? I'd say if someone said "because" that person would believe he, (or she), had, "elaborated". In reality, all they're doing is making the team owner a very rich man. Because God knows, they're not going to see them coming home with a Superbowl trophy, at least probably not in my lifetime.

    Personally, I spell the team's name, "E-E-G--H-O-L-E-S", and I won't be buying either a season ticket, or for that matter, a copy of Windows 8, anytime in the future.

    (*) Clever use of a double negative, if I do say so myself.
  20. pmcardle

    pmcardle Newcomer, in training Posts: 78   +11

    What rock did you crawl out from?
  21. Any news site you take has a crap load of ads and one need to pay a dollar for it. Windows 8 is a whole OS in less than 100 bucks. It's good to see the low OS prices with few non-distracting ads in it versus spending $400 on ad-free OS where all the 3rd party apps keep popping up numerous ads.
  22. dennis777

    dennis777 TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 274   +29

    Ewww ads... with data cap and internet speed every data counts... cheap mS
  23. tonylukac

    tonylukac TechSpot Maniac Posts: 842   +20

    captaincranky: The media center option is available free for download till the end of January if you by windows 8 pro. I think you get it at window.com.
  24. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,580   +863

    Ya know Tony, I appreciate you looking out for me. But honestly, I haven't seen anything in Windows 8 that compels me to even want to try it. That's not a judgment on its quality or lack thereof. It's butt ugly, I have no need for a touch screen. I have XP machines all over the house so I can run Nero 6. Most of the other software I use is free, with the exception of Photoshop, and Photoshop Elements. There's no chance of M$ herding me to some dumb "app store". I don't need a stinking smart phone app to get inundated with local news on an instant's notice. It repeats every 20 minutes anyway. I don't have a smart phone, I don't need a smart phone, I don't want a smart phone, which again excludes me from win 8's, "target demographic". Hell, I don't even answer the land line I have. How could Windows 8 possibly "enrich my life"?

    The Win 7 task bar, Aero interface, and slide show background is a constant joy to me. Why would I ever go to this new gobbledegook, that for all the world, looks like a bad photo of a set of Fischer-Price children's blocks?

    There was an iPad commercial on TV not too long ago, exhorting how you could, use your iPad to control your TV"! I must be really an anachronism, because there I was, thinking to my myself, "isn't that what the stinking 10 dollar remote than came with the TV is for"? Little did I know you needed to spend 6 bills to change the channel, or face social disgrace. Again, proving my unsuitability as a prospective Win 8 user.

    I usually build a new computer for myself for Christmas. (It's a dirty, thankless, unnecessary overindulgence, but nobody else will do it for me)! The Win 7 Pro 64 bit is already, "hung by the stockings with care", in the hopes that "St. Cranky Claus" will soon be there.
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  25. Pan Wah

    Pan Wah TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 134   +27

    Thank you, that's really cheered me up (y).


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