California continues effort to limit violent game sales

By Matthew Smith
Jul 13, 2010
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  1. The state of California has been trying for years to level consequences against businesses that sell violent video games to minors. The current law (California AB 1179) was established in 2005 and criminalizes the sale or rental of games to minors under the penalty of a $1,000 fine.

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  2. aj_the_kidd

    aj_the_kidd Newcomer, in training Posts: 555

    If California can't get rid of porn good luck with violent games.
  3. matrix86

    matrix86 TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 800   +8

    People should just monitor their kid's activity. If they keep going out and getting violent games, then oh well. You should keep a better watch on them. This is coming from a parent...not some teen trying to defend video games. Watch your kids and quit complaining. Yes, it's impossible to constantly watch them...yes, they'll go behind your back...THEY'RE KIDS! It's what they do. No matter what you do, they'll always find a way to get around the things you say.
  4. Wendig0

    Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,073   +75

    Good call aj_the_kidd.

    "The brief also argues that first amendment protection does not extend to offensively violent material." - They will have a hard time defining what is offensive to people, as it is a relative term, and what may offend some people may not come close to offending others. If the supreme court does its job, the state of California will once again take it up the pooper.
  5. treetops

    treetops TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 1,649   +51

    Just a distraction from there current bad economy.
  6. Richy2k9

    Richy2k9 TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 515

    hello ...

    humm, remind me of that South Park episode (weapons vs naked kid - who wins!?) LOL ...

    I agree Businesses shouldn't sell inappropriate games to kids, but parents should also keep an eye on them, but where there are alternative routes (piracy & copied games from friends + PC or console in kids room), it's a difficult job.

    I think it will be better if we control things before the government do take control of what we can or not do.

    cheers!
  7. tengeta

    tengeta TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 632

    Typical California attitude, if theres a societal problem pass a law then sit back and say its all good again. Modern consoles have the means to stop a M rated game from being played altogether, so even if it is rented to a minor it shouldn't be a problem. This is YET AGAIN the problem of parents who don't want to put any time into actually raising their children.
  8. If you dont want your children playing violent video games, try monitoring your kids.

    Major Parenting Fail

    They will be in your house or a friends house, its not like they nip to the shop to buy a $60 game then go buy a $500 tv, $200 dollar console and go hire a hotel room to play the game in. Try watching your kids you lazy lazy bastards.
  9. windmill007

    windmill007 Newcomer, in training Posts: 311

    Who cares playing violent video games doesn't effect kids. Their upbringing has more to do with how people act. Playing video games in moderation along with physical activities are good for kids. I agree Grand Theft Auto is about as bad as they should let games get but one option I would like is to turn off obscene language. I could see where hearing the f-bomb over and over isn't good for anyone. Why they feel they need excessive obscene language in music, games, and movies is beyond me. The occasional word ok...I have a uncle that swears every other sentence and it gets old very quick.
  10. 9Nails

    9Nails TechSpot Paladin Posts: 939   +82

    How many children can drive to the game store and make their own income for which they purchase games? It's the parent's responsibility to raise the child. The state should just keep the roads paved, kids educated and the girls looking hot.

    This is a stupid effort and a waste of tax payers dollars.
  11. Eddie_42

    Eddie_42 Newcomer, in training Posts: 213

    Oh so many naive opinions in this. Its not about parenting, its not about paying attention to your child. Its about creating a law that prevents the sale of a video game that "shows images of humans being maimed, killed or sexually assaulted" to a minor.

    go read the original documents "http://www.docstoc.com/docs/484895/Video-Software-Dealers-Association-et-al-v-Schwarzenegger-et-al---58/"

    Lil' Johnny cant go to the store and purchase a bottle of Jack Daniels, or the lastest version of Girls_Gone_Wild. Why should he be able to walk down the street to wal-mart/target/game-stop/best buy and purchase a game that has been deemed inappropriate for children.

    This is not a new concept for our society. There are plenty of regulations designed to keep children safe. Tobacco, Liquor, Pr0n, even a Driver's License.

    This law does not prevent any company from making any video game. It is not an infringement on free speech. It is a regulation to prevent a store from selling overly violent video games to minors.

    I am a gamer. I know how it feels with all these laws being tossed around. But I also think that this law is good. And the bad wrap its getting is simply a knee jerk reaction by the gaming community.

    Lawyer: " we are gonna make a law that happens to involve video games"
    Gamer: "OMG WTF HELLZ TO THE NO!!"
     
  12. Eddie_42

    Eddie_42 Newcomer, in training Posts: 213

  13. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 829

    Thanks for the link to the legal text Eddie. After reading it, I've got major issues with this law. Section 1 of the Bill claims facts that have never been substantiated.
    Every article about adverse effects of gaming, that I've seen, have never been able to support these claims. The closest I've seen any article claim is that sociopathic children will gravitate to violent games, but does not verify any claims of damage caused by gaming.

    Creating laws the based on false premise should be a criminal act.
  14. Eddie_42

    Eddie_42 Newcomer, in training Posts: 213

    I see your argument, but I counter with this:

    Is there proof that watching an adult movie causes a person to become a sex addict or a rapist? There are still restrictions on that.

    Does drinking at 12 cause a person to become an alcoholic? There are laws against that.

    I do not have the experience to comment on the psychological side of this. I must admit I haven't read/seen anything to the pro or con in quite some time.

    I will agree that this law may need an amendment along the lines of "it is the State's belief that..." or removing this section. But I still stand that the law in essence is still a good thing. And that the Courts and lawyers arguing over 'free speech' and 'first amendment' are completely off base and not what this law is about.
  15. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,470   +299

    Just wondering and since Eddie_42 seems to know a lot about this, how come little Johny can walk into a game shop and buy a violent game? here in the UK usually they ask for a proof of identity (even my mum got stopped once!) so that you cannot buy a particular game without being old enough.

    Is that rule different where you come from?
  16. aj_the_kidd

    aj_the_kidd Newcomer, in training Posts: 555

    Ah so true, playing video games doesn't make people violent and if it does, clearly those people have bigger problems. If anything it desensitizes you.
  17. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 829

    There is no correlation with watching pornography and sex addiction or rape. The restrictions censoring pornography stem from an era (early 1900's) which was very sexually repressed. The same era that didn't allow women to vote and enacted segregation on non whites. There's many countries with much less censorship and no ill effects on their childrens minds.

    Drinking at any age can lead to alcoholism. There's no laws against being alcoholic. Alcoholism is a dangerous disease that can lead to death, and while it's possible that in small amounts there's possible benefits to drinking alcohol, I haven't ready any studies that promote child drinking.

    I also think its absurd that legally at 18 you can enlist in the army and risk your life, but can't drink alcohol until 21.
  18. Eddie_42

    Eddie_42 Newcomer, in training Posts: 213

    Very much different. We have a rating system, but it is viewed as a Guideline for the purchaser. There is nothing to legally enforce it. An individual store could enact a policy to enforce it, but that would likely drive sales away to the big chains that dont (best buy, game stop, walmart etc)
     
  19. Eddie_42

    Eddie_42 Newcomer, in training Posts: 213

    But there is still a law against it, and its in the interest of protecting children.

    again, there are still laws prohibiting the SALE of liquor to a minor. mom and dad can buy it and give it to the child in the privacy of there own home. No one is stopping that. Same should go for these video games.

    I agree, but thats a whole different can of worms.
  20. Eddie_42

    Eddie_42 Newcomer, in training Posts: 213

    thats the problem
  21. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 829

    Yes there is a law about this, but I disagree that its in the interest of protecting children. What is it protecting children from exactly? These laws are nothing more than knee jerk reaction to american squeamishness.


    Mom and Dad can definitely NOT give alcohol to a minor. In this country thats child abuse/endangerment. It's the same as going into a liquor store to buy alcohol for a minor. You get caught, you're going to jail. It just happens that its vastly more difficult to get caught at home, as it should be.
  22. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,470   +299

    Thanks, was just wondering, I didn't realise it was a guidline system, then I guess this law maybe of some use. Although over here is the UK there was been plenty of storys of parents that buy there 12 year old kid GTA anyway, Just because they cry and moan saying that its a "really good game mummy".
  23. Hell yes, getting rid of some of the whiny, annoying little kids that plague our online video games? I'm in.
  24. eddie_42 just shut up look at the retardeness of most laws designed to "protect children". at the age of 18 a kid can go to war, vote for public officials, be tried as an adult, (and given the death penalty), and yet cannot drink alcohol. it doesn't make sense. if the dang liberals would take the wooden block out of their butts, then none of this would be a problem. it is about parenting because if the kids were watched by their parents and other responsible adults then crime and everything would go down. you say that it's to protect childern. i say BS. you said to prevent stores from selling overly violent games to minors. do you really think if a 40 year old man goes to walmart and buys an M rated game with his son do you really think its for him. but if i bought a pack of cigarettes for someone else it would be illegal. so i ask you look at the hippocracy of most laws designed to "protect children"
  25. RD3SRED

    RD3SRED Newcomer, in training

    Now, thats a good move.http://rd3.ca/index.php
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